Best tips for big table

poolguy4u said:
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There are people who specialize on a bar box and don't play on big tables.

For a bar box, some people like a soft tip like a Brunswick blue diamond. With this tip you can get the cue ball around the table with spin and never have to hit the cue ball too hard.

For a big table, a harder tip is better. A soft tip would mushroom too quick.



I have a pool cue I use for small tables only. It is a jump break butt with a good shaft. You can use a less expensive cue on a small table and it will work fine.

On a nine foot table, a cheap cue will not do what you need to do. You need a better cue that cost a few dollars more. So on a big table, I use a more expensive cue. The cheap bar table cue will not work on a big table.

About the tip...you can just use whatever you like. I know what works for me.

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I agree with the first and last sentences. As for the other.. I like a hard tip for both and I use the same cue for both. A bigger table doesn't need a more expensive cue and I'm not sure how those two are even related. The soft/hard tip can change, but most big tables tend to be faster, which requires a better stroke, because powering the shot will tend to rattle more on the big tables. I shoot with a cheap cue with a hard, flat tip on whatever table I'm at.
 
I disagree with you completely. I prefer a harder tip on a big table for many reasons. I will not use a soft tip on a big table. If you guys spend half the time offering advice on what tips you like that you do stating how much you don't know about the physics of pool, this would not be such a big deal. Its people like you that render this site usless. I'm not here trying to measure wieners with people and their pool knowledge, Im simply asking what tips people primarily like that frequent big table play. If you disagree that there is a difference, then this topic is not for you
 
poolguy4u said:
:smile:


There are people who specialize on a bar box and don't play on big tables.

For a bar box, some people like a soft tip like a Brunswick blue diamond. With this tip you can get the cue ball around the table with spin and never have to hit the cue ball too hard.

For a big table, a harder tip is better. A soft tip would mushroom too quick.



I have a pool cue I use for small tables only. It is a jump break butt with a good shaft. You can use a less expensive cue on a small table and it will work fine.

On a nine foot table, a cheap cue will not do what you need to do. You need a better cue that cost a few dollars more. So on a big table, I use a more expensive cue. The cheap bar table cue will not work on a big table.

About the tip...you can just use whatever you like. I know what works for me.

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Thank you...someone knows something
 
hang-the-9 said:
That WAS the input, table size does not matter when picking a tip. You're trying to pick something based on a wrong assumption, so will not find the solution you want to get.

Have you ever seen a pro use a different cue when playing on a bar table? Outside of the normal messing around with different cues that they like to do that is. That may be an interesting topic for a TAR Podcast actually, I'll put in a question if they like to use different types of equipment for different games and tables or just stick to their one main cue.
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Do you have SVBs flawless stroke?
 
A Little Story

Here's a short story for you....

I had this guy I couldn't beat onnna 9 ft table. He was a solid 6 and made any "open" shot look easy. Then I noticed one day he had a little trouble with certain long table shots.
He has a great stroke & good aim, so I asked him what kind of tip he had on his cue. He told me a supersoft,(I think Kamui, but brand is not so important in this case.) Ie: He was shooting a soft tip. He never miscued,(that I know of). He also made almost ANY hard-angle cut-shot he attempted to make,(I've seen him make many "hairy" cut shots too!)

From then on; I left him long on the table.

FROM THIS ASPECT: I would say that a softer tip may benefit the smaller table as you are more likely to be cutting shots into pockets than taking the long table shot. Of coarse it would vary game by game, but the probability is there in the long-run.

Ask Venom or Corey Deuel what kind of tip they have to help them get some of thatt ungodly action on their Rock. Some will say it is stroke,(and I'll agree), but it would be ignorant to say the tip is not making a contribution.

Is that what you were looking for ??
 
Dunnn51 said:
Here's a short story for you....

I had this guy I couldn't beat onnna 9 ft table. He was a solid 6 and made any "open" shot look easy. Then I noticed one day he had a little trouble with certain long table shots.
He has a great stroke & good aim, so I asked him what kind of tip he had on his cue. He told me a supersoft,(I think Kamui, but brand is not so important in this case.) Ie: He was shooting a soft tip. He never miscued,(that I know of). He also made almost ANY hard-angle cut-shot he attempted to make,(I've seen him make many "hairy" cut shots too!)

From then on; I left him long on the table.

FROM THIS ASPECT: I would say that a softer tip may benefit the smaller table as you are more likely to be cutting shots into pockets than taking the long table shot. Of coarse it would vary game by game, but the probability is there in the long-run.

Ask Venom or Corey Deuel what kind of tip they have to help them get some of thatt ungodly action on their Rock. Some will say it is stroke,(and I'll agree), but it would be ignorant to say the tip is not making a contribution.

Is that what you were looking for ??
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A prime example. Thank you. The softer the tip, the more crap you put on the ball when you hit it, and also, the harder the tip, the less power you need, in turn causing you to not alter your stroke by forcing shots. There are a ton of variables between the two. Some people just lack an understanding I guess
 
Pse217 said:
A prime example. Thank you. The softer the tip, the more crap you put on the ball when you hit it, and also, the harder the tip, the less power you need, in turn causing you to not alter your stroke by forcing shots. There are a ton of variables between the two. Some people just lack an understanding I guess
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We understand that just fine. We also understand that tip differences are much more important to the kind of stroke you have than the size of the table you're playing on. I'd estimate it's 90% stroke and 10% table size.

Can you imagine someone saying "I play great with a soft tip on a bar box, but I'm going to play on a 9-foot table so I'm changing to a hard tip." ?
 
Pse217 said:
I disagree with you completely. I prefer a harder tip on a big table for many reasons. I will not use a soft tip on a big table. If you guys spend half the time offering advice on what tips you like that you do stating how much you don't know about the physics of pool, this would not be such a big deal. Its people like you that render this site usless. I'm not here trying to measure wieners with people and their pool knowledge, Im simply asking what tips people primarily like that frequent big table play. If you disagree that there is a difference, then this topic is not for you
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Well, hot damn, looks like you already knew everything about the question and the answer. If you disagree.. :rolleyes: Obviously, the only answer you were looking for was the one that mimics your own opinion. Please, enlighten me.. can I do a second rolleyes? :confused:
 
Banks said:
Well, hot damn, looks like you already knew everything about the question and the answer. If you disagree.. :rolleyes: Obviously, the only answer you were looking for was the one that mimics your own opinion. Please, enlighten me.. can I do a second rolleyes? :confused:
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Banks, that message wasn't to you. I agreed with you
 
Again, just looking for tip advice. Not sure why everyone is trying to prove themselves. If you primarily play on a big table, what type of tip do you like. Lets see if after 2 pages of uselessness, someone has a tip suggestion
 
Variables

FWIW this thread topic may open up a can of worms but:

I tend to think in terms of rotation pool. ( 8-9-10 Ball).

When playing 8-ball, most of the time on a break I want my rock center table, and a good spread on the OB's. I am gonna CUT the OB's center table first. Seven foot or nine foot table, I really don't need a perfect stroke to do this. I DO need good position, and I DO need to control the throw of the OB's when cutting into pockets. A soft tip would give me a slight advantage here.

I'm not dis-agreeing with you here, I just think it may be more like 75-25 %.

A thought: I'd like to know what 14.1 & 1 pocket players think: also young and older players as well. Would be interesting to do a poll on this. :thumbup:
 
I wasn't going to stoop to this level, but here are some facts


Premise: Hard tips hit more solid, producing more speed with less power, allowing you to use your normal stroke, and not over due your stroke and potentially miss balls or rattle pockets as stated before

Premise: Soft tips spin the ball more

Premise: Spinning the cue ball causes throw (whether its intentional or not)

Premise: The need for excessive spin on a big table is less likely than on a small table due to confined spaces

Premise: Power and speed are less likely to be needed on a small table than on a big table

Conclusion: Table size is a factor of tip selection
 
Okay, I'll bite. For me, the best tips are the az member pooldawg8's milk duds. They are a low-maintenance hard tip with good grip which is definitely helpful for moving the cue ball around on a big table.
 
Start with medium and adjust from there. I think soft was too soft for me and went with medium. Hard Tips tend to be too much for me because I don't have a very smooth stroke. Since playing 14.1 on 9 footers I've started to develop more finesse and the medium tips allow me to move the ball around but retain English while being able to maintain a smooth stroke. Also this is info from a newbie so take it for what it's worth
 
Warning, opinions from a nobody here......
To me, there are not really any tips I truly love, only ones I truly hate. With that said, I'm rather old-school and prefer my 35 cent Lepros', not every Lepro, just the good ones of the bunch. When you find out you've installed a good Lepro, to me it's like winning a prize. ;)
Being comfortable with your equipment is very important, but I see people so focused on equipment (especially in golf, oh my) they forget what it really takes to improve their game. I can run-out just as well with a decent crooked house cue with a decent tip as I can any of the cues I own. As long as the tip isn't to squishy or ruined, decently shaped, a shaft not to sticky and a tip that holds chalk, I'm good to go and my results will be equally similar. The game isn't in the stick, it's in the hands that hold the stick.
Reminds me of when I was young and being mentored by my boss & poolhall owner. I can hear it just as if he said it yesterday and this was 20+ years ago. Here was his saying that used to make my skin crawl, but not until later in life I discovered, damn was he spot-on. He would say, " Kid, don't worry about the mule. Just load the damn wagon and get the job done!" It took me until recently to understand just exactly what he meant by that, and it applies to so much in life.

Dopc.
 
Pse217 said:
I wasn't going to stoop to this level, but here are some facts

You'll do whatever you want to do...but this is fun in an odd way. (BTW, "facts" are not "premises" but who cares?)

Premise: Hard tips hit more solid, producing more speed with less power, allowing you to use your normal stroke, and not over due your stroke and potentially miss balls or rattle pockets as stated before

Marginally true, but to such a small extent that it's almost meaningless unless you're using a break tip like a Samarsa or phenolic tip. I've played racks with my break cue (Samarsa tip) and it's fun but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone who's stroke is less sure than SVB's.

Premise: Soft tips spin the ball more

Untrue. This has been studied ad infinitum and shown that the contact time between the tip and the ball is so short that hardness has no effect on the spin. See Dr.Dave's extensive research.

Premise: Spinning the cue ball causes throw (whether its intentional or not)

Untrue. Spinning the ball can reduce/counter throw just as much as it can increase it (outside spin will counter the throw effect). And since Premise #2 is untrue it's a moot point.

Premise: The need for excessive spin on a big table is less likely than on a small table due to confined spaces

It all depends on the shot. On a big table you need "excessive spin" on a long shot because spin wears off over distance. You need "excessive spin" when you need it, regardless of the table size. But again, since Premise #2 is untrue it's a moot point.

Premise: Power and speed are less likely to be needed on a small table than on a big table

True.

Conclusion: Table size is a factor of tip selection

If you say so. What kind of tip are you using now? Look up its hardness here. Buy a tip with about 10 degrees more hardness and tell us what you think. But as you approach the 85-degree hardness area remember that Kamui's VP of Sales commented on SVB using a Kamui Hard (84.8 degree hardness) by saying "I don't recommend that for your average player" :grin:
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Fun discussion. Actually Dopc has the best answer...but Dopc -- golfers are nothing compared to musicians when it comes to gear. They'll spend upteem thousands on gear to get "that sound," while Billy Gibbons (ZZTop guitarist and tone extraordinaire) tells them "Tone is in the fingers."
 
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