Day Two -- Dispatch from the US One Pocket Open

dub, thanks for speaking up.

As to Spider, here is the truth about him: as most everyone here knows, I have had him and a few others on Ignore for near two years now. So I have not been "at him" in a long, long time. But, perusing his record, anyone can see that he still likes to regularly take shots at me, all the while acknowledging I can't see his posts. How sick is that?

And all that is fine. On the pool forums there are guys like him who have never accomplished anything, gone anywhere, or contributed anything of substance, and can only garner attention by trying to attach and associate their name with those of us who have.

I think my record of posting on the forums for almost two decades speaks for itself, most folks acknowledging that I take care with my facts, going as far as to differentiate what I know from first hand experience and what I am told by others. People will also recognize that including details about where I've been and what I like to eat and drink have always been part of my posts and trip reports. (Anyone remember the story from a couple of years ago when I had a steak house dinner sitting next to a couple of wise guys?)

In my 20 years as a USAF officer, I have met, mentored, led, and commanded hundreds of guys like Spider --overgrown frat boys who cannot differentiate between the arrogance and hubris of their drinking buddies and the self confidence of a grown man. And so, in the face of inaction on the part of the admins, mods, and even to a certain extent other posters, the beat goes on and so will Spider.

And that's all I have to say about that :-)

Lou Figueroa

I guess I just call a spade a spade in your thread. No one is on my ignore list because I'm not a wet noodle.

The reason why I speak-up in these over-the-top threads of yours is to offset your megalomania-slanted stories with fact.... the fact that you inject smart-mouthed quips within your years of posting history that "speaks for itself."

This thread is BS and out-of-context...which, I might add, is par for you.

You never commanded guys like me...that's for sure. That'd be too much like the tail wagging the dog.

I manage megalos like you every day. I never had a title in the corporate world that would be low-enough to take orders from a PR guy of any level...ever.

Those who feed you your lunch get put on ignore. Let me know when you're hungry again... that's prob safer than you going face to face with the pros you're insulting on azb.

Oh yeah: :-)

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I guess I just call a spade a spade in your thread. No one is on my ignore list because I'm not a wet noodle.

The reason why I speak-up in these over-the-top threads of yours is to offset your megalomania-slanted stories with fact.... the fact that you inject smart-mouthed quips within your years of posting history that "speaks for itself."

This thread is BS and out-of-context...which, I might add, is par for you.

You never commanded guys like me...that's for sure. That'd be too much like the tail wagging the dog.

I manage megalos like you every day. I never had a title in the corporate world that would be low-enough to take orders from a PR guy of any level...ever.

Those who feed you your lunch get put on ignore. Let me know when you're hungry again... that's prob safer than you going face to face with the pros you're insulting on azb.

Oh yeah: :-)

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So, you just came into the thread to be a jerk? Gotcha. Obviously you've never held a position that requires somebody with even a touch of humility. :rolleyes:
 
On the subject of having people on ignore.

Just because person a has person b on ignore does not mean that person a is free of criticism of their statements.

All it means is that they can be criticized without rebuttal, mostly.

Because as we have seen repeatedly the person who maintains an ignore list finds ways to address the criticism anyway.

Somehow it seems as if they think that by not directly addressing their critic with a rebuttal while rebutting the criticism anyway is taking the higher ground.

I liken it to three girls where one is ignoring the other and using the third to convey the messages.
 
Earl

Professional pool players aren't "getting paid"..........never have. This is why Earl is a nutcase. He's the "Jack Nicklaus" of pool and essentially has nothing to show for it. It's been wearing on most all the pros for years and is coming to a head given recent events.

Players are getting down right hateful to each other when it appears they're about to lose a match which will result in zero money for that tournament (meanwhile the guy that finishes last this Sunday at the British Open will walk away with 30 -50K).

I have been watching facebook and folling Earl the last couple of weeks in Ireland. He has made a lot of new friends and fans it seems to me. He has spent a lot of time visiting different places and has made a lot of kids happy.

Do you remember the John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors matches, Earl hates to lose. I don't agree with some of Earls antics, but he is a great ambassador for the game of pool. I personally love to watch Earl. We need that personality, the fans love it. I don't agree with not shaking someones hand after a match, win or lose. And I also hate to lose. Good luck Earl and don't forget to shake your opponents hand, not cool.
Gary
 
dub, thanks for speaking up.

As to Spider, here is the truth about him: as most everyone here knows, I have had him and a few others on Ignore for near two years now. So I have not been "at him" in a long, long time. But, perusing his record, anyone can see that he still likes to regularly take shots at me, all the while acknowledging I can't see his posts. How sick is that?

And all that is fine. On the pool forums there are guys like him who have never accomplished anything, gone anywhere, or contributed anything of substance, and can only garner attention by trying to attach and associate their name with those of us who have.

I think my record of posting on the forums for almost two decades speaks for itself, most folks acknowledging that I take care with my facts, going as far as to differentiate what I know from first hand experience and what I am told by others. People will also recognize that including details about where I've been and what I like to eat and drink have always been part of my posts and trip reports. (Anyone remember the story from a couple of years ago when I had a steak house dinner sitting next to a couple of wise guys?)

In my 20 years as a USAF officer, I have met, mentored, led, and commanded hundreds of guys like Spider --overgrown frat boys who cannot differentiate between the arrogance and hubris of their drinking buddies and the self confidence of a grown man. And so, in the face of inaction on the part of the admins, mods, and even to a certain extent other posters, the beat goes on and so will Spider.

And that's all I have to say about that :-)

Lou Figueroa

Really?

You are going to say that Dave has not accomplished anything of substance? That he is attaching his name to you because you have accomplished something of substance?

If by forum history you mean defaming and belittling, needling, bullying, and being an all-around nasty person when you disagree with someone then your legacy is giant.

1. You called Stan Shuffett a criminal.
2. You have ridiculed Hal Houle to no end.
3. You have constantly called people crazy, idiots, and other names.

You consistently knock professional players UNLESS they say something you agree with in which case you USE them to knock other people. You are very fond of saying pro players are broke and despicable and yet you whine if they happen to see you in person and tell you off.

Dave Segal has helped hundreds of people to play better pool. Maybe thousands. What have you done on AZB that measures up to that? Nothing but knock.

Yes your trip reports are nice and well written when you don't use them to knock but you can't help it. You're a gossip plain and simple.

You have NO PROBLEM saying John's name when he let you know how he felt about you if that even actually happened. But then back when you went to DCC a few years back you claimed that "bonafide champions" told you that aiming systems are bunk but wouldn't name any of those champions. I would bet that you weren't discussing aiming systems with any champions.

Then you have no problem saying that Johnny Archer is text-bombing Mark Griffin when you know full well that if Mark had wanted this to be public then he would have made it public himself. You seem to be revealing yourself as a person who not only can't really remember the facts of situations as you can't remember the times we met and what was said and done, but you seem to delight in stirring up trouble under the guise of "reporting".

Anyway, some of us know you better than that Lou. Dave Segal is hundreds of times the person you are and has contributed 1000x of times more helpful information to this forum and the pool world than you have.

I will grant that you can spin your words far better than you could ever spin your ball.
 
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Well i spent about an hour with John and Charlie Williams thurs night and they were nothing but gentlemen, a lot of laughs. John answered anything i asked him about straight pool and was in my opinion, a good guy.

As far as this beef with Lou, this is all over one comment about cleaning the balls during a run ?? Doesnt sound right at all, John didnt strike me as that type in the least. Im quite sure there is more to it than that, a lot more.
 
I have been watching facebook and folling Earl the last couple of weeks in Ireland. He has made a lot of new friends and fans it seems to me. He has spent a lot of time visiting different places and has made a lot of kids happy.

Do you remember the John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors matches, Earl hates to lose. I don't agree with some of Earls antics, but he is a great ambassador for the game of pool. I personally love to watch Earl. We need that personality, the fans love it. I don't agree with not shaking someones hand after a match, win or lose. And I also hate to lose. Good luck Earl and don't forget to shake your opponents hand, not cool.
Gary


If Earl is our "great ambassador" pool is in worse shape than I thought.

Lou Figueroa
 
Really?

You are going to say that Dave has not accomplished anything of substance? That he is attaching his name to you because you have accomplished something of substance?

If by forum history you mean defaming and belittling, needling, bullying, and being an all-around nasty person when you disagree with someone then your legacy is giant.

1. You called Stan Shuffett a criminal.
2. You have ridiculed Hal Houle to no end.
3. You have constantly called people crazy, idiots, and other names.

You consistently knock professional players UNLESS they say something you agree with in which case you USE them to knock other people. You are very fond of saying pro players are broke and despicable and yet you whine if they happen to see you in person and tell you off.

Dave Segal has helped hundreds of people to play better pool. Maybe thousands. What have you done on AZB that measures up to that? Nothing but knock.

Yes your trip reports are nice and well written when you don't use them to knock but you can't help it. You're a gossip plain and simple.

You have NO PROBLEM saying John's name when he let you know how he felt about you if that even actually happened. But then back when you went to DCC a few years back you claimed that "bonafide champions" told you that aiming systems are bunk but wouldn't name any of those champions. I would bet that you weren't discussing aiming systems with any champions.

Then you have no problem saying that Johnny Archer is text-bombing Mark Griffin when you know full well that if Mark had wanted this to be public then he would have made it public himself. You seem to be revealing yourself as a person who not only can't really remember the facts of situations as you can't remember the times we met and what was said and done, but you seem to delight in stirring up trouble under the guise of "reporting".

Anyway, some of us know you better than that Lou. Dave Segal is hundreds of times the person you are and has contributed 1000x of times more helpful information to this forum and the pool world than you have.

I will grant that you can spin your words far better than you could ever spin your ball.


lol, John, everyone here knows your take on things rarely* if ever* has anything to do with reality. Typically your "logic" come out looking like a bowl of ramen noodles. Case in point.


And, I want to make one more addition to this post: I am usually pretty strong on "correcting the record" (and John knows this). Each time he foams at the mouth and tees off with the same old, tired accusations, they get wilder and more outlandish in an attempt to bait me.

IF I thought John had any credibility *whatsoever* with the AZ community at large, I would address his comments. But like I said: that would be IF I thought his version of events and what I have said in the past carried any weight whatsoever or the vaguest hint of credibility in the first place.

Obviously that is far from the case :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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Well i spent about an hour with John and Charlie Williams thurs night and they were nothing but gentlemen, a lot of laughs. John answered anything i asked him about straight pool and was in my opinion, a good guy.

As far as this beef with Lou, this is all over one comment about cleaning the balls during a run ?? Doesnt sound right at all, John didnt strike me as that type in the least. Im quite sure there is more to it than that, a lot more.


I always felt John was a good guy too... until this incident.

As to there being more, I don't know what that might be. Before the thread in question John and I would often joke at 14.1 challenge events at the DCC and elsewhere. I even went so far as to ask him about a 14.1 lesson and he told me that the next time I was in California, where he was living at the time, to call him.

And, if you read the thread in question you will see that John got very worked up and took my remarks about ball cleaning during a run very personally. During "the incident" he said something about the ball cleaning and that I said that "just to aggravate him," when in fact I said what I said because I love the game of 14.1 and feel there should be some standards when it comes to high runs. Funny thing: when I mentioned the whole thing to Mark Griffin and told him about the ball cleaning he totally agreed and said, "I guess I'm old school too -- the player *never* touches the CB."

Lou Figueroa
 
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lol, John, everyone here knows your take on things rarely* if ever* has anything to do with reality. Typically your "logic" come out looking like a bowl of ramen noodles. Case in point.

Lou Figueroa

Care to bet on that? Yeah, I didn't think so. But let's see, the guy you joked with so much, the guy you had a jillion laughs with thinks so highly of you as to be angry with you over your "innocent" remarks on the forums and what's your response?

Not, hey John calm down let's work it out, no, it's wait until I get on AZB, I am going to fry his ass.

Oh well you know what they say about a woman scorned. Ask Debi.
 
Care to bet on that? Yeah, I didn't think so. But let's see, the guy you joked with so much, the guy you had a jillion laughs with thinks so highly of you as to be angry with you over your "innocent" remarks on the forums and what's your response?

Not, hey John calm down let's work it out, no, it's wait until I get on AZB, I am going to fry his ass.

Oh well you know what they say about a woman scorned. Ask Debi.


If you read the thread in question you can see that's exactly what he got worked up about.

And, his opening bid was, "You're a dick." So I wasn't exactly going to offer him a shoulder massage, starting from there.

Lou Figueroa
 
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The dawn arrives and I decide that another practice session on a Diamond table at Best Billiards is not the worst idea I've ever had. After a couple of hours of hitting them around I head to the tournament room for my 1pm match against Carl Wilson, Jr. of Reno. Carl is a straight shooter and gets off to a 3-1 lead. But, a few capricious rolls of the balls and I worm my way back into the match and eventually prevail.

Almost immediately I must play former U.S. One Pocket champ, Larry Nevel. Right before match time, I had been watching the Bernie Pettipiece v Earl Strickland match being played on my assigned 4pm table. A sizable crowd had formed and it was a tense, back-and-forth match and the situation was taking its toll on Earl. It began with stares and perhaps a few mutter comments to some gentlemen sitting in the seats near the head of the table. Bernie was putting a lot of heat on Earl and I should pause to mention at this point that Bernie, who hails from the Phoenix area, is a quiet, soft spoken, tenacious competitor. The match is going long and midway through the case game, my match is called to another table. So at this point, what exactly transpired I did not personally see. However, I have it from a friend whom I would consider an unimpeachable source that, as the match drew to its conclusion, Earl was clearly "stressed" and when Bernie dropped the match ball and went up to shake Earl's hand, Earl refused and reportedly said, "**** you." And Bernie, being the classy guy he is just quietly responded, "Better be careful, Earl. You'll get yourself disqualified."

Boom.

My match with Larry goes predictably, but here is the funny thing: I am playing one of the guys with the biggest strokes in pool and our match, just as about everyone else's, becomes a battle over whom can hit the balls more softly. A slight tap and an object ball easily goes two table lengths. Power one pocket? Fergetaboutit -- you'd send the balls flying back and forth across the table and get five rails. The cloth, rails, and balls at this event only need the merest tap of the CB for any given shot. I was thinking at one point that a straight rail or balk line player like Frederic Caudron could probably win the event. Lou loses 1-4.

Checking the tournament board I determine I am to play again, at 10 pm. It is while I and perhaps a half dozen other players are checking the board that Charlie Williams shows us all why he is the beloved player he is: we're all crowded around the board trying to give each room so others can see the brackets, when Charlie comes flying in between everyone, steps right in front of the board, runs his finger down it, finds his match, and leaves, leaving the rest of us looking at each other with one guy muttering, "What a dick."

I return to Buzios for another good meal and Steve, the chef behind the bar, and I talk about Candlestick Park and Willie Mays. The food is still great. Eventually I re-enter the tournament room to find I am to play Jeremy Jones. Playing on the next table is Mr. 400, John Schmidt. Our eyes meet and I greet him by saying, "Mr. Schmidt." And he responds by saying, "Mr. Laptop."

?

I pause a moment and figure this is some kind of slight but just say, "I don't own a laptop, John. Your need to step into the next century. It's all iPads now." Unbeknownst to me, Mr. Schmidt was not done with me for the night.

Jeremy and I begin our match and I win the first game and get off to a 6-2 lead in the next. But, truth be told, he out moves me, taking several intentionals. At one point he calls a referee over to monitor a jacked up shot I must shoot with the balls separated by perhaps a half inch. I jack up and shoot away from the ball, the ref says, "No foul," and Jeremy does not like the call. I only mention this because of the TAR match incident, draw your own conclusions. Regardless, eventually, almost inevitably, I lose 1-3. Tournament over for Lou.

So I'm walking away from the "pro" arena and up comes Mr. Schmidt. I can tell he's "agitated" because his cheeks are flushed and then he gets surprisingly close to my face and says, "I know that after a match you've lost is not the best time to talk, but if you ever have something you want to say to me, you can say it to my face."

A little background: not too long ago there was a thread on 14.1 runs and I had opined that, IMO, a player should not pick up the CB to clean it mid-run, but that if the CB required cleaning, it should be done by anyone else but the player. I had also said that IMO, the balls should not be repeatedly run through a ball polisher during a run because it caused the balls to open up like "a bag of spilt popcorn." It was my opinion that a run should get tougher the longer it becomes and I alluded to polishing the balls repeatedly during a run being akin to putting in an escalator near the summit of Mt. Everest. At the time, Mr. Schmidt took great personal umbrage at my comments, and months later, they appeared to still be on his mind.

So now we're at the U.S. Open and he is in my face holding his motorcycle helmet and I say, "John I feel the same way." And he responds, "OK, I think you're a dick. You're a no talent, wannabe pool player. You're a fat Mexican who couldn't get laid in prison. I bet $2,000 we can go outside and I'll whip your ass. We can go now. In fact I bet I could ***** slap you right here and you wouldn't do a thing about it."

Somewhere in all that I believe I responded, "I'm not Mexican, John. And if you were to hit me, you're right, I wouldn't do anything but I have a good attorney that would make your life a living hell. I am a wannabe pool player, but could buy you several times over, and I feel sorry for you if pool is the best thing you've got going for you. You're a class act, John. A class act all the way."

Straight pool players are a high strung lot.

Eventually we finished exchanging pleasantries and John strides off into the night, motorcycle helmet in hand. Wandering the tournament room I come upon Mark Griffin, Joe Tucker, and CSI's Caleb, and Mark offers to buy us drinks. We retreat to the Rio's main casino bar and sit and talk about Joe's Texas Bumps tournament and the American Rotation league he's forming; Aramith and the story behind Cyclop balls; BB and how the worst thing about it is how it has fractured so many relationships in the small community that is pool; JA's recent texts to Mark (unbelievable does not start to cover it); BB and the U.S. 9ball Open; and CSI's plans for the future. It was a great time with great company.

As always, I come away from an event like this having learned much about the game. One thing that I saw was that you can win a lot of games of 1pocket with simple shots that are not normally shots you'd think to practice, and so when I practice in the future I know a few new shots to work on.

Lastly, for the record: I'm coming up on 60 and my best "lets go outside" days are behind me; I am fat (and have white hair); I admire what the pros do but do not want to be one of them; I am not Mexican -- my Mom and Dad immigrated from El Salvador; and, oh yes, you should not pick up the CB when you're on a run :-)

Lou Figueroa



Awesome stuff lou
 
John

When John played Corey on TAR John behaved like a real jerk. So I don't need to hear "his side of the story" now, or ever again.
 
When John played Corey on TAR John behaved like a real jerk. So I don't need to hear "his side of the story" now, or ever again.


You know, for the longest time, I always had second thoughts about Danny Harriman's side of things, mostly because JS projects this generally nice image.

Not anymore.

Lou Figueroa
 
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