Ball to Ball Physics

Gerry Williams said:
Pro One takes you to a slight over cut but this isn't about Pro One.

On one of your shots it almost banked straight back - you telling me that you hit it good?
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Gerry,

Just for the sake of the discussion, I think you need to keep in mind that Anthony is not focusing on making the ball with each different type of hit. He is focusing on making a 1/2 ball hit on the ob.

Since going to TOI many times I have aligned to the edge of the ob & my 'perception' tells me that that is the line & I do not need to ad any cut by moving the tip to the inside.

The point is that the human mind is an amazing 'entity'. It can make us make minute adjustments subconsciously. Perhaps Anthony may be over correcting for trying to make sure that he does not make any subconscious corrections in order to make the shot but is instead focusing on making sure that he hits the 1/2 ball point.

The point is, to think that a ball hit differently will react exactly the same certainly seems to be illogical. Also to think that a ball hit differently will react differently certainly seems to be logical. Now figuring out what the differences are is another issue. Through the course of HAMB our subconscious mind has made many adjustments. Seperating ourselves from our subconscious is just as difficult as accessing our subconscious at will.

I am very intrigued with CTE / Pro1 just as I was with CJ's TOI & am waiting for the new DVD. By the way, you're shooting very well. You are certainly helping the cause where Pro 1 is concerned.

Best Regards,
Rick
 
Not debating that Rick, however if he is playing a 1/2 ball hit I don't care if he hits it with the leg of a chair it wouldn't miss my a diamond and almost bank cross corner.

Mitch - you commented earlier that a firm stun produces maximum throw - that is simply not true. I think it has been clearly demonstrated that CIT is much more relevant at slower speeds - as for the ball in the air undercutting, perhaps but not by a diamond.
 
Gerry Williams said:
Not debating that Rick, however if he is playing a 1/2 ball hit I don't care if he hits it with the leg of a chair it wouldn't miss my a diamond and almost bank cross corner.

Mitch - you commented earlier that a firm stun produces maximum throw - that is simply not true. I think it has been clearly demonstrated that CIT is much more relevant at slower speeds - as for the ball in the air undercutting, perhaps but not by a diamond.
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Gerry,

I agree regarding the amount. That is why I suggested that he might have over compensated a bit as he focused on 'making sure' of the 1/2 ball hit & not allowing himself to make any subconscious adjustments if that makes any sense.

I was having a hard time convincing someone that CIT even existed for a hard hit until I put it in the context of time. When the two balls collide they both pick up outside spin. Hence the effect of the spin has more time to grab & the net effect will be greater over a longer time & distance. The CIT is still there on a hard hit but due to the speed the ball travels on or off of the cloth there is less time for the spin to have an effect. Hence the effect will be less compare to a 'slower' movement. Plus the ball will slide for a longer distance with the harder hit. But the 'push' as I call it is still there but the net effect is less given the 'short' distance compared to the 'increased speed' of the shot.

I find it very interesting when Stan says that CTE/Pro1 has a natural compensation for CIT. My compensation for CIT has always been a bit of outside english. I don't understand how that compensation can be built in with CTE. But there is very much that I do not understand about CTE. But I am intrigued by it just as I was amazed of how natural TOI can be.

Sorry for being so long winded when all I wanted to do was agree with you.
 
Gerry Williams said:
Pro One takes you to a slight over cut but this isn't about Pro One.

On one of your shots it almost banked straight back - you telling me that you hit it good?
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Gerry it is possible do to my stroke I could of been a HAIR OFF.
That being said I still should hit around the pocket.;)

Get a program Gerry that slows down the shot.Look for yourself where im hitting the ball.

Dr daves site is great but im not really interested in his findings of the matter.

I believe more in things I see,little less in things I read.:)
 
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No where in my video is the ball being knock over a whole diamond .
May look like it but its not.
 
How bout posting some slow, med and fast shot videos from various players and see if each speeds are the same.
 
duckie said:
How bout posting some slow, med and fast shot videos from various players and see if each speeds are the same.
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Good idea duckie. Post yours first. :D

To be honest, this info would be inconclusive if we have a large variance in player's stroke ability. I'd say limit the players to whom we know have very good stroke. If CJ Wiley chimed in and set these shots up and gave his results, I'd be interested to see what he comes with.
 
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mohrt said:
Good idea duckie. Post yours first. :D

To be honest, this info would be inconclusive if we have a large variance in player's stroke ability. I'd say limit the players to whom we know have very good stroke. If CJ Wiley chimed in and set these shots up and gave his results, I'd be interested to see what he comes with.
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Agree here without any doubt exactly 100% !!!


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8pack said:
Just done a slow motion video so you can see the hit a little better.
The quality isnt the best because of how many times I had to edit it.

You can see a little better in this video that Im hitting the half ball or pretty dang close.:)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTkQMOwHiNo&feature=youtu.be
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Good Morning Anthony,

I don't really know the quantitative amount of CIT per all of the different angles but I have always had more success by hitting the shot with outside english when shooting a bit harder AND by 'overcutting' them with inside english when shooting a bit softer & now by the TOI method to add cut to the shot.

I know you know this & this is not the answer you are looking for. I just wanted to throw it out there for some that might just be looking for a solution without the quantitative answer as to why.

Best Regards & Wishes & Have a Great Day,
Rick
 
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8pack said:
Just done a slow motion video so you can see the hit a little better.
The quality isnt the best because of how many times I had to edit it.

You can see a little better in this video that Im hitting the half ball or pretty dang close.:)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTkQMOwHiNo&feature=youtu.be
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If the cb is sliding at impact, stun shot, the ball will undercut. Also, both balls are airborn so who knows where it's gonna go? Also, dirty balls, high humidity, dirty cloth, etc,. cause undercuts.
 
I didnt do a good job on the video,should of reworded it.I was tired,just wanted to show a different veiw of the shot.Im going to re do it later.

Anthony
 
ENGLISH! said:
Good Morning Anthony,

I don't really know the quantitative amount of CIT per all of the different angles but I have always had more success by hitting the shot with outside english when shooting a bit harder AND by 'overcutting' them with inside english when shooting a bit softer & now by the TOI method to add cut to the shot.

I know you know this & this is not the answer you are looking for. I just wanted to throw it out there for some that might just be looking for a solution without the quantitative answer as to why.

Best Regards & Wishes & Have a Great Day,
Rick
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Good morning Rick.

I think addressing shots in certain way is the way to go.(not all shots)You start to build a strong connection to the shot in this manner.(t.o.o or t.o.i)Still need to deal with distance and speed but with practice it becomes easier to judge.

Anthony
 
8pack said:
Good morning Rick.

I think addressing shots in certain way is the way to go.(not all shots)You start to build a strong connection to the shot in this manner.(t.o.o or t.o.i)Still need to deal with distance and speed but with practice it becomes easier to judge.

Anthony
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Anthony,

I agree. Some say one should consider every shot as though it is the same. The reality is that they are not for a variety of reasons as you point out & I'll throw in the many different bridge/stance combinations.

There are shooters & there are players.

Best Wishes for you to not only 'shoot' well but to 'play' well too,
Rick
 
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