Ronnie O'Sullivan vs Raj Hundal?

JB Cases said:
It is harder for older people to learn new skills. I am just saying that if say any of them REALLY tried, all-in, coach, learning the right way, with tough beatdowns to get them into shape then they could probably do well. What is there about handling a cue ball that Johnny Archer doesn't already know?

But the problem is that in order to reach the top level you have to fight through a whole bunch of Chris Melling level players who also want to be at the top level. The pressure would be very high.

Now when Johnny or Shane go to a tournament they are the players to beat. They go to England and they are the outsiders, the B players who have to fade a ton of world beaters.

If I were insanely wealthy I would run a lot of "experiments" where I would put guys like Archer into intensive training just to see what would happen. I'd put snooker player into 3 cushion, 3 cushion players into ten ball, etc.... I'd take the best women players and have them gambling against the best men and see if they didn't improve greatly.

That would be my hobby alongside knitting. :-)
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I really like the idea, time to start making dollars to make it work!!
 
Lots of people expressing opinion of snooker based on watching it as opposed to playing it. A snooker "match" at a low level is completely different to that you see on youtube.

"Pot and tuck.. Pot and tuck"

Anyway...


If a pool professional, any pool professional was to play a snooker professional, any snooker professional over a decent distance for a decent purse and lose then they should hang their heads in shame. It would be a travesty and would be shameful for all pool to mocked in such a way that one of our own top players can be beaten by someone playing our game for fun.

And people wonder why sponsors have no interest in pool?
 
JB Cases said:
The last seven balls in a snooker game are run out in rotation just like nine ball. If they are on their spots then the patterns to run them out are fairly standard among snooker players, if they are not on their spots then players have to get creative.

I have seen the colors run out with shotmaking and position play that could be EXACTLY like the way a nine ball player would do it. Snooker players can and do use side spin when they need to, they simply have to be much more precise about it having less margin of error.

And saying that the shots are not long because they are in the bottom half of the table is not quite accurate either. The table is 6ft wide. That's almost the length of a bar table. I will be happy to put the cue ball one foot off the rail and set up some 3,4,5 foot shots on the bar table for people who think that it's easy. Then we can move over to the snooker table and see how it goes.

The way a snooker player picks through the rack for a long run is nothing short of amazing. If you have never tried it you can't possibly understand. They make it look easy but the fact is that the precision required for position is incredibly high. If you get just a touch out of position then it pretty much blows the run out because you simply don't have that much pocket to use to go another route.

There is no need to debate it, find a 6x12 and play some on it. You will get humbled pretty quickly. However after a while you will start getting used to the speed and the angles you need, then it will start be fun.
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

Give that man a ccccigar!
 
JB Cases said:
It is harder for older people to learn new skills. I am just saying that if say any of them REALLY tried, all-in, coach, learning the right way, with tough beatdowns to get them into shape then they could probably do well. What is there about handling a cue ball that Johnny Archer doesn't already know?

But the problem is that in order to reach the top level you have to fight through a whole bunch of Chris Melling level players who also want to be at the top level. The pressure would be very high.

Now when Johnny or Shane go to a tournament they are the players to beat. They go to England and they are the outsiders, the B players who have to fade a ton of world beaters.

If I were insanely wealthy I would run a lot of "experiments" where I would put guys like Archer into intensive training just to see what would happen. I'd put snooker player into 3 cushion, 3 cushion players into ten ball, etc.... I'd take the best women players and have them gambling against the best men and see if they didn't improve greatly.

That would be my hobby alongside knitting. :-)
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The die is cast in snooker from about the age 10. No pro pool player alive today could ever make the transition IMO.
 
The way a snooker player picks through the rack for a long run is nothing short of amazing. If you have never tried it you can't possibly understand. They make it look easy but the fact is that the precision required for position is incredibly high. If you get just a touch out of position then it pretty much blows the run out because you simply don't have that much pocket to use to go another route.
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Poppy cock..
 
JB Cases said:
And saying that the shots are not long because they are in the bottom half of the table is not quite accurate either. The table is 6ft wide. That's almost the length of a bar table.
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For some reason the width of a snooker table appears longer than the length of any pool table, at least to me.
 
voiceofreason said:
Lots of people expressing opinion of snooker based on watching it as opposed to playing it. A snooker "match" at a low level is completely different to that you see on youtube.

"Pot and tuck.. Pot and tuck"

Anyway...


If a pool professional, any pool professional was to play a snooker professional, any snooker professional over a decent distance for a decent purse and lose then they should hang their heads in shame. It would be a travesty and would be shameful for all pool to mocked in such a way that one of our own top players can be beaten by someone playing our game for fun.

And people wonder why sponsors have no interest in pool?
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There is no shame in acknowledging TRUTH :thumbup:
To top Snooker pros - pool is FUN and that's it - I used to think the same too
 
Pidge said:
Ronnie has completely dominated in the modern snooker world that hasn't been seen since Joe Davis was in his prime. Steve Davis did it too, as did Stephen Hendry.
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There's a mythology about Ronnie that I find quite irritating. Take out the last two world championships and he's underperformed immensely. He was poor for many years before those victories. He has never been completely dominant in the way Davis, Davis and Hendry were. He has been on a par with John Higgins, Mark J Williams, John Spencer, Ray Reardon and several others.

Ronnie's a flat track bully. He simply makes too many mistakes to ever be truly dominant.
 
Pathetic Shark said:
I don't care what anyone says, if you can consistently run all the colours in snooker, you're a good player.
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Thank you..

I remember hearing a story about a snooker hall professional named Matt Bailey. He played on the Challenge tour about 20 or so years ago and never made a name for himself. He played a local top amateur (a 147 breaker so a decent stick) once at running the colours for cash. The idea was that they would each take it in turns and stop when missed. The other player game Matt the money and walked off when Matt topped 1,000.

Running the colours is easy - if you play a lot of snooker. Any top pool player from the game today would be doing the same thing within days of picking up a cue and taking on your challenge..

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What Matt did was run the colours yellow through black and then play position from black to yellow and do it again. This is a common drill and not really that hard. Of course bear in mind that playing position from black to yellow is a standard shot anyway..
 
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Pathetic Shark said:
The die is cast in snooker from about the age 10. No pro pool player alive today could ever make the transition IMO.
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We disagree and will never really know. The only example we have is Rempe and we can't ever know how much he "really" tried.

voiceofreason said:
Poppy cock..
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Ok. Poopypenis back to you. :-)

Pathetic Shark said:
For some reason the width of a snooker table appears longer than the length of any pool table, at least to me.
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I agree.

Pathetic Shark said:
There's a mythology about Ronnie that I find quite irritating. Take out the last two world championships and he's underperformed immensely. He was poor for many years before those victories. He has never been completely dominant in the way Davis, Davis and Hendry were. He has been on a par with John Higgins, Mark J Williams, John Spencer, Ray Reardon and several others.

Ronnie's a flat track bully. He simply makes too many mistakes to ever be truly dominant.
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He is dangerous in the way Alex HIggins was, capable of running over you or capable of making a lot of unforced errors.

Pathetic Shark said:
I don't care what anyone says, if you can consistently run all the colours in snooker, you're a good player.
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Agree. Especially if you can do it when the colors are off their spots.

voiceofreason said:
Thank you..

I remember hearing a story about a snooker hall professional named Matt Bailey. He played on the Challenge tour about 20 or so years ago and never made a name for himself. He played a local top amateur (a 147 breaker so a decent stick) once at running the colours for cash. The idea was that they would each take it in turns and stop when missed. The other player game Matt the money and walked off when Matt topped 1,000.

Running the colours is easy - if you play a lot of snooker. Any top pool player from the game today would be doing the same thing within days of picking up a cue and taking on your challenge..

Edit to say:

What Matt did was run the colours yellow through black and then play position from black to yellow and do it again. This is a common drill and not really that hard. Of course bear in mind that playing position from black to yellow is a standard shot anyway..
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Poppy Cock. :-) Just kidding, of course as I said running the colors on their spots have well established patterns and of course there will be some who are much better at them than others. I was referring to the players who run out like nine ball. I don't have the time to go find youtube vids to prove my point but it's 100% true.
 
JB Cases said:
Agree. Especially if you can do it when the colors are off their spots.
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Now we certainly agree...

The difference between playing the balls from their spots rather than scattered all over the table as a result of missed pots (which will happen at low standards) is enormous.

When I used to play league snooker and practise more, we would regularly re-spot colours following failed pots - just to keep the game within reach..
 
Pathetic Shark said:
There's a mythology about Ronnie that I find quite irritating. Take out the last two world championships and he's underperformed immensely. He was poor for many years before those victories. He has never been completely dominant in the way Davis, Davis and Hendry were. He has been on a par with John Higgins, Mark J Williams, John Spencer, Ray Reardon and several others.

Ronnie's a flat track bully. He simply makes too many mistakes to ever be truly dominant.
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He just does not care and did not care for the most of his career- he told it many times and how boring tournaments are and most of pros he has to play to win titles.
no matter what everyone says- he is truly one of the best who picked up a billiard cue, not consistent but still brilliant
 
There is no need to debate it said:
A friend of mine who is very very good player said the few times he played 9 ball on a snooker table it made him feel like the first time he played the game. lol It put him in his place in a hurry
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trob said:
A friend of mine who is very very good player said the few times he played 9 ball on a snooker table it made him feel like the first time he played the game. lol It put him in his place in a hurry
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Try playing snooker on a pool table then. Pots are easy but break building is impossible.

Equally hard - too crowded..
 
voiceofreason said:
Try playing snooker on a pool table then. Pots are easy but break building is impossible.

Equally hard - too crowded..
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I know this as Pooker and actually got a set myself! Have been searching on the net for some videos and more info about the pool-snooker balls and its hard to find. Appearantly not many play it, and very few sell it..
 
voiceofreason said:
Try playing snooker on a pool table then. Pots are easy but break building is impossible.

Equally hard - too crowded..
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I have these very good friends PISH & TOSH who told me that most people start playing Snooker on 6ft tables they've received as either Xmas or Birthday gifts.

After a few years or in some cases months, they've mastered 6ft table play and graduate to their nearest Snooker Hall to play on the 12ft mans size table and excel even further.

My friends PISH & TOSH. :thumbup:
 
Bella Don't Cry said:
I have these very good friends PISH & TOSH who told me that most people start playing Snooker on 6ft tables they've received as either Xmas or Birthday gifts.

After a few years or in some cases months, they've mastered 6ft table play and graduate to their nearest Snooker Hall to play on the 12ft mans size table and excel even further.

My friends PISH & TOSH. :thumbup:
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Those tables use small balls. Tiny in fact. It is truly awful. The sort of thing people that don't play cue sports would buy for their child who shows an interest in it. Often wooden based. Awful. Awful. Awful.

I meant, try playing snooker with pool sized balls on a pool table. I was meaning English pool table actually from personal experience that is. But let us transfer that to a 9 footer if you like. If you can't see that having fifteen reds clustered around the end of a table would be crowded and make break building difficult... I have nothing further to add really.

Anyway..

There you have it.

This match, if it even happens, God willing will be viewed as an exhibition and hopefully played in that manner. God willing the pool player will be able to beat the pretender - otherwise simply making pool players look stupid..
 
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