Stan Shuffett youtube videos

The posted videos have helped me to better understand CTE.

Since I am new to CTE and Stan loves to make videos to help others understand the system, what I would like to see someday, is for Stan to bring into his studio a player that has never used CTE and Stan video tape a CTE lesson from scratch to the student using CTE. This would probably call for DVD 3 or maybe not.

After listening to Stan talk about perception I had to do a little research.

I found this on YouTube.........interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=689p1quLNDk

Scott, no one will ever be able to convince me that a straight in shot to a pocket or a target is not straight. I think Stan made a boo boo, that's cool, I do it all the time. Straight is straight.

Thanks Stan for all that you contribute.

John (I can't get A,B and C out of my head) :)

John,

Thanks for your comments.

Concerning the zero angles ....no mistake there. CTE covers angles and angles and more in the same way. Just because it is a zero angle....whew, it can't be.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Stan, I think you have an issue with communicating your ideas. You've even asked me in the past to help convey certain ideas here on the forum. You are extremely pleasant to talk to on the phone, and I've been thankful for our conversations on both Pro One and other aspects of pool. Perhaps in person some of this might be conveyed in a thorough and non-confusing manner. Yet you chose to pick up on several things here that I didn't actually say or even imply:

- I specifically said in my posts that I was trying not to be critical, and I'm certainly not trying to "drag you down".

- I never said the system didn't work, nor did I change my mind on anything related to it. I'm not now, nor have I ever been, in any small group of "naysayers" - I'll leave that for the people whose names rhyme with "Roo"... If anything, I've helped you along the way by suspending my questions, confirming the system works even when I didn't fully understand the why, and helping dozens of people via email and phone to "get it"

- I said I appreciated your videos, and thought they were a great addition to DVD1 and the info you've shared here


That being said, I believe you are so close to the material that it's difficult for you to step out of your box and explain things in different ways. I also think you've been blasted and criticized so much here - mostly unfairly, but you've incited some of it by your vague and repetitive answers - that you, as you said, feel challenged and feel the the need to fight back. If you now turn that against me, you are wasting your time, because you have nothing to prove to me. I just simply want explanations to a question which you yourself raised in your recent video.


To reiterate - if you perform a CTE, ETA alignment and outside pivot on a straight in shot, the ball goes straight into the hole. So what about the system makes that same alignment and pivot go in a different direction and not go into the fake pocket? It has to have something to do with our perception of the table, pocket, etc. The answer to this would not only satisfy the "fake pocket" shot but also perhaps address how other shots on the table that are different can be made in the same pocket. Maybe the answer will be in the next DVD... :)


Again, I've just been trying to help you out here. Yes, I have questions. I've had the same questions with SEE, yet I've had them answered. As an example, if one of my students asks me why they are not drawing the ball, I can only tell them to accelerate more and hit lower so many times before I need to show them how, explain why, prove to them that they aren't hitting where they think, use 1, 2 or more analogies to get them to understand it, etc. I wouldn't be a very good teacher if I just kept saying the same thing over and over. I feel the same with this - either you know the answer and won't say, you know but don't know how to communicate it, or you don't know and it just works. I'm okay with any of those answers, just looking for one that makes sense.


I really, sincerely hope that between your support vids (which ARE a great addition) and the next DVD that everything will be more fully explained and that more and more people will pick up on this and use it to their advantage. I've offered to help, since I have a critical eye for these things and have done a lot of editing in the past. Since you declined, I hope that whatever editing process you are going through involves people other than yourself to give a different and fresh perspective on the material. It can be difficult to teach something that you are so passionate about, so close to, and such an expert in, I would think getting outside opinions would be critical to the process.

Wish you success with the next DVD!

Scott

You have posted negatives......

I have no issues with communication. Everything about CTE PRO ONE to this point has been explained. I am sorry you do not understand the system because if you did you 'd have NO problem with the left cut bank. It's no different than making 2 inside As or inside Bs that have different angles . I find it extremely to hard imagine that you did not know that outside A can produce various angles.

Also, you clearly stated that some of my YouTube videos in some way were doing more harm for you than good.

Concerning the question that you wanted answered about a recent video: We had a phone conversation a month ago concerning the very subject of CB OB perception. I asked you to check something out and I wanted your feedback. You said you would , You did not call back . I called you days later and asked again for you to check it out and then we could have discussed it .No call again. So, now, you come on here and want answers as if I have ignored you! I have given you the perceptual info and about how the CB OB orientation works relating to handling various angles. Real CTE is of a another dimension in aiming. The perceptions I speak of were never supposed to be but they are and I do the best I can with them. Sorry again I do not meet up to your standards for explanations concerning my work.


It would have been great for you to come to KY to assist in some editing. Please do not act as though that were a simple thing to make happen. You could not come to KY for lessons..... You would not have come to KY for editing.

Stan Shuffett
 
Thanks Stan for the interesting videos! The fake pocket video. That made good sense to me. This is just my opinion, but I think you would see the same issue to a lesser degree on a non regulation table. That is, any table that isn't twice as long as it is wide. I think CTE is a ctr of the pocket system that only works if the pockets are where they are supposed to be. Don't know if I'm right but thats the way I see it. One other question. Does an oversize cueball require any adjustment? Thanks Stan for your help!
 
Stan, I think you have an issue with communicating your ideas. You've even asked me in the past to help convey certain ideas here on the forum. You are extremely pleasant to talk to on the phone, and I've been thankful for our conversations on both Pro One and other aspects of pool. Perhaps in person some of this might be conveyed in a thorough and non-confusing manner. Yet you chose to pick up on several things here that I didn't actually say or even imply:

- I specifically said in my posts that I was trying not to be critical, and I'm certainly not trying to "drag you down".

- I never said the system didn't work, nor did I change my mind on anything related to it. I'm not now, nor have I ever been, in any small group of "naysayers" - I'll leave that for the people whose names rhyme with "Roo"... If anything, I've helped you along the way by suspending my questions, confirming the system works even when I didn't fully understand the why, and helping dozens of people via email and phone to "get it"

- I said I appreciated your videos, and thought they were a great addition to DVD1 and the info you've shared here


That being said, I believe you are so close to the material that it's difficult for you to step out of your box and explain things in different ways. I also think you've been blasted and criticized so much here - mostly unfairly, but you've incited some of it by your vague and repetitive answers - that you, as you said, feel challenged and feel the the need to fight back. If you now turn that against me, you are wasting your time, because you have nothing to prove to me. I just simply want explanations to a question which you yourself raised in your recent video.


To reiterate - if you perform a CTE, ETA alignment and outside pivot on a straight in shot, the ball goes straight into the hole. So what about the system makes that same alignment and pivot go in a different direction and not go into the fake pocket? It has to have something to do with our perception of the table, pocket, etc. The answer to this would not only satisfy the "fake pocket" shot but also perhaps address how other shots on the table that are different can be made in the same pocket. Maybe the answer will be in the next DVD... :)


Again, I've just been trying to help you out here. Yes, I have questions. I've had the same questions with SEE, yet I've had them answered. As an example, if one of my students asks me why they are not drawing the ball, I can only tell them to accelerate more and hit lower so many times before I need to show them how, explain why, prove to them that they aren't hitting where they think, use 1, 2 or more analogies to get them to understand it, etc. I wouldn't be a very good teacher if I just kept saying the same thing over and over. I feel the same with this - either you know the answer and won't say, you know but don't know how to communicate it, or you don't know and it just works. I'm okay with any of those answers, just looking for one that makes sense.


I really, sincerely hope that between your support vids (which ARE a great addition) and the next DVD that everything will be more fully explained and that more and more people will pick up on this and use it to their advantage. I've offered to help, since I have a critical eye for these things and have done a lot of editing in the past. Since you declined, I hope that whatever editing process you are going through involves people other than yourself to give a different and fresh perspective on the material. It can be difficult to teach something that you are so passionate about, so close to, and such an expert in, I would think getting outside opinions would be critical to the process.

Wish you success with the next DVD!

Scott

Hello Scott,

This fake pocket thing is strange but it works exactly as Stan describes. If it worked in the way you think it should, then i would like to know if you can make combos using pro one shots. Let's say you play for a combination. And you use the visuals and pivot that "seem" to be the right ones to make the combo. Do you make it ?

Thanks for reading

Panagiotis
 
Well I have not been following this thread at all as I've had enough of the "It doesn't work" posts.
Stans 6-way shot video. What more proof do you need. CTE is a outstanding aiming system.
Cheers, and please continue with the it doesn't work posts. Lol
 
Well I have not been following this thread at all as I've had enough of the "It doesn't work" posts.
Stans 6-way shot video. What more proof do you need. CTE is a outstanding aiming system.
Cheers, and please continue with the it doesn't work posts. Lol

Couple nights ago I was playing one hole and the opponent left me in the stack. I could see a three railer out of the stack but I didn't have any idea exactly where to hit the first rail to get my object ball deep in the corner. Using the information from Stan's video I was able to work out the right BALL to BALL aim and the object ball went three rails and got within 2" of the corner with the CB buried in the stack.

Prior to Stan's video I would have shot it but being unsure I am positive that the cue ball would have gone way short or way long. But with Stan's info I could see exactly where I needed to hit the OB and thus also have better control over my cue ball.

For anyone that practices using these methods it's a huge advantage in one pocket in my opinion. I could never be this accurate as a "feel" player.
 
Thanks Stan for the interesting videos! The fake pocket video. That made good sense to me. This is just my opinion, but I think you would see the same issue to a lesser degree on a non regulation table. That is, any table that isn't twice as long as it is wide. I think CTE is a ctr of the pocket system that only works if the pockets are where they are supposed to be. Don't know if I'm right but thats the way I see it. One other question. Does an oversize cueball require any adjustment? Thanks Stan for your help!

I have not spent any significant time with an oversized CB, but to whatever degree the oversize is, that would directly relate to an adjustment of some sort.

I am glad you are enjoying my videos.

Stan Shuffett
 
I have not spent any significant time with an oversized CB, but to whatever degree the oversize is, that would directly relate to an adjustment of some sort.

I am glad you are enjoying my videos.

Stan Shuffett

I have played with balls of disparate sizes and a slight adjustment from the given line is needed.

With same sized balls of any size CTE works perfectly. Even marbles on a toy table.

It works with snooker balls on a pool table, pool balls on a snooker table and pool balls on a Chinese 8 ball table with snooker rails and pockets.
 
I have played with balls of disparate sizes and a slight adjustment from the given line is needed.

With same sized balls of any size CTE works perfectly. Even marbles on a toy table.

It works with snooker balls on a pool table, pool balls on a snooker table and pool balls on a Chinese 8 ball table with snooker rails and pockets.

Yes, I agree 100%!!

Thanks for further clarification!

Stan Shuffett
 
I have played with balls of disparate sizes and a slight adjustment from the given line is needed.

With same sized balls of any size CTE works perfectly. Even marbles on a toy table.

It works with snooker balls on a pool table, pool balls on a snooker table and pool balls on a Chinese 8 ball table with snooker rails and pockets.

So ya been play'in marbles with your daughter on a small table, does she know you are using CTE. :grin:

She should be getting some kind of a spot.

John :smile:
 
I have played with balls of disparate sizes and a slight adjustment from the given line is needed.

With same sized balls of any size CTE works perfectly. Even marbles on a toy table.

It works with snooker balls on a pool table, pool balls on a snooker table and pool balls on a Chinese 8 ball table with snooker rails and pockets.

Thanks Stan, and John for your answers to my inquiry. Keep those videos coming!
 
So ya been play'in marbles with your daughter on a small table, does she know you are using CTE. :grin:

She should be getting some kind of a spot.

John :smile:

She cheats and puts the balls using the Hand To Pocket method.

But seriously I have used CTE on tables ranging from the little table top toys to the Sears type 2' x 4' and it works exactly the same. Near me is a big distributer who has about 50 tables in his showroom. Essentially every kind of toy and ek cheapo Kmart table you have ever seen is there. I have tried to hit balls on almost all off them.
 

Thanks for posting the new video. I never thought about using a striped ball for the A,B and C targets.

I was sitting here watching the video and near the end I was thinking "sure do wish Stan would go into some visual sweeps" and ..........Boom he did.

Looking forward to more information on the sweeping motion of the body and eyes (not the manual pivot)

Thanks again Stan and Monte

John :smile:
 
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Here is another thing about all this that especially applies to one pocket. When you absolutely KNOW that you are on the right line it gives you so much more ability to control the cue ball. No more of this half/half stuff where you think you just want to play the object ball near the pocket and control the cueball instead. No, you can if you wish play the object 100% to the heart of the pocket OR choose to go to the right or left as needed.

With CTE you get to do both, be on the right line with 100% confidence that it is right AND control the cueball with brilliant precision BECAUSE of the foundation CTE gives you.

And BTW my last shot of the night was this 3 railer - thanks Stan!

13 in the corner.

 
Thanks for posting the new video. I never thought about using a striped ball for the A,B and C targets.

I was sitting here watching the video and near the end I was thinking "sure do wish Stan would go into some visual sweeps" and ..........Boom he did.

Looking forward to more information on the sweeping motion of the body and eyes (not the manual pivot)

Thanks again Stan and Monte

John :smile:

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it might help. If not, no worries.

There are two shots in the diagram below. Don't concern yourself with the angles. Just know that they share the same visuals (CTE/ETA). You'll notice there are two arrows. One which points to the left, and the other to the right. These arrows simply represent which direction your eyes and body move in relation to the CTEL.

In the first shot, our eyes are moving to the right of the CTEL. This would be considered an outside sweep, since as I'm sure you guessed, our eyes are moving to the outside of the line. Obviously that would mean the second shot would be an inside sweep, since our eyes are moving to the inside of the CTEL.

We can take this a step further, and apply it to the shot in second diagram. Moving your eyes/body to the outside of CTEL will make the ball in Pocket A, where as moving to the inside of the CTEL is a bank to Pocket B

It's 6:30am here, and I'm not fully awake yet. Hopefully this is all correct.

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1st shot: left cut to side is A and inside or left.

2nd shot: IF and I repeat, If the cross side bank is dead the visuals can be A and outside.

But the angle for the bank appears as a slight cut to the right which means RCBE TO OBC
and a right inside sweep.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it might help. If not, no worries.

There are two shots in the diagram below. Don't concern yourself with the angles. Just know that they share the same visuals (CTE/ETA). You'll notice there are two arrows. One which points to the left, and the other to the right. These arrows simply represent which direction your eyes and body move in relation to the CTEL.

In the first shot, our eyes are moving to the right of the CTEL. This would be considered an outside sweep, since as I'm sure you guessed, our eyes are moving to the outside of the line. Obviously that would mean the second shot would be an inside sweep, since our eyes are moving to the inside of the CTEL.

We can take this a step further, and apply it to the shot in second diagram. Moving your eyes/body to the outside of CTEL will make the ball in Pocket A, where as moving to the inside of the CTEL is a bank to Pocket B

It's 6:30am here, and I'm not fully awake yet. Hopefully this is all correct.

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Thanks for the reply.

I think I'm on the right track.
I set up the shot in diagram #2. On a right sweep my stance is wide (normal for me) and it seemed to me with a left sweep that my stance was more narrow and that my left shoulder was more out in front than normal.

Its interesting, from diagram #2, that the ball can be made in two different pockets just by changing the sweeping motion.

So, the left sweep, using the same points of alignment, will shorten the shot and the right sweep will cause the ball to go into "A".

If my thinking on this is all screwed up let me know.

I gotta get back to the table for a while and work on this.

Thank you. :)

John
 
1st shot: left cut to side is A and inside or left.

2nd shot: IF and I repeat, If the cross side bank is dead the visuals can be A and outside.

But the angle for the bank appears as a slight cut to the right which means RCBE TO OBC
and a right inside sweep.

Stan Shuffett

Thanks for the reply, Stan. I do have a question though.

In the cut to the side, you say it's an inside/left sweep. After discussion with another user and giving it much thought myself, wouldn't it be an outside sweep?

The reason I'm saying it's an outside sweep is because with a manual pivot, we would start a 1/2 tip left of center, and then move to the right. So the movement for a Pro One sweep would be the same, except visually. Therefore, our eyes are moving to the right, or outside the CTEL. Does that make sense?

So

Right Sweep is a visual sweep to the left of the CTEL, since we are sweeping from the right to the left. Movement is caused by moving almost straight into CCB

The left sweep is a movement from left to right, and aided by rotating the bridge arm shoulder.
 
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