Corey Break against SVB in TAR Match

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Hey guys,

I don't want to get into a big whats better, who's better etc debate here just wanted to discuss the tactic Corey used.

Basically he was saying to Shane, you can out run me in open racks, but with a shot clock and a tough rack I can out think you ?

Anyone think that this is a tactic that maybe others/ (me? lol) would be advised to implement?

Making a ball with a break like that is MUCH MUCH tougher on a bar table then on a big table so that causes a problem in all matches for most tournament/league 8 ball players.

I expected the match to be much more one sided in the 8 ball and with it not being and seeing SVB very aggravated by the clustered racks, i'm starting to wonder if that wasn't a large part.
 
I think in general the shot clock works against Corey. He just is a thinker, like Alex. Shane is so aggressive, he is going to go for the run out every time, maybe Corey thought Shane's aggression would work against him.

As far as league play, leaving clusters after the break can work really well.
 
If Corey didn't dog it in the end he would have won Shane was missing hangers over and over agian it did work and was a good gameplan. Even though Corey might not be liked for it there playing for cash not dinner.Even a champion can go on tilt
 
I think it was a good tactic, turned a potential horsef*cking into
a much closer match.

On the other hand he may have overestimated Shane's break. Or underestimated his own.

People assume shane's 8b break will work just like his 10b break,
making the same ball every time and maybe 2-3 others, plus parking the cue ball.
Instead that 2nd-row ball he tries to make gets kicked out a lot.
The cue ball gets smacked around like a whistling pinata.


Should regular players try something like that? Maybe.

The goal of it seems to be to slow down runouts from the other guy,
if you happen to break dry or foul. If your opponent is shane-speed, that's important.

But if your opponent is a regular B- player and not a superstar, maybe it isn't.
Why do you need to slow down his runout rate if he only gets out 10-15% anyway?
Especially if the player THINKS he can run out better than that, and tries and fails.
He makes you a heavy favorite to win the rack. You might as well break as hard
as you can, figuring that even with a wide open table, he's not out and will
hand it back over pretty soon.
 
corey's break tactic

honestly, i expected corey to try sth special when breaking in 8ball. i think though, it only worked coz corey got a little under shane's skin. disregarding this "annoyance factor" i am pretty convinced it is statistically not the better way to address 8ball. corey had a chance in this set. shane missed a lot of shots, he usually is not supposed to miss.

did anyone of u realize that corey in one of his first couple of breaks, was breaking with his left hand!?!? what good cud come out of that?

will be interesting to see what corey tries in 9ball. one sure thing is, he wont be wacking on the rack...

enjoy!
 
bicki said:
honestly, i expected corey to try sth special when breaking in 8ball. i think though, it only worked coz corey got a little under shane's skin. disregarding this "annoyance factor" i am pretty convinced it is statistically not the better way to address 8ball. corey had a chance in this set. shane missed a lot of shots, he usually is not supposed to miss.

did anyone of u realize that corey in one of his first couple of breaks, was breaking with his left hand!?!? what good cud come out of that?

will be interesting to see what corey tries in 9ball. one sure thing is, he wont be wacking on the rack...

enjoy!
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I still don't get the left-handed thing unless he literally injured his shoulder.
But you may be right. Corey's 8b tactic led to fewer dry breaks (barely) but also far fewer runouts.
And yeah, Shane missed like 15+ shots. This is the same guy who missed ZERO cut shots
in a race to 27 against Mike. Some of those misses are due to corey forcing shane to break out
clusters and then settle on a tough shot afterwards. But I suspect he also lacked the same drive,
maybe he feels like Corey is not worth getting worked up about.
 
As far as the off-hand break goes...I'd be pissed off. I'd see it as a sign of disrespect in a way and them not giving a crap, which would piss me off no end. Excellent tactic by Corey!

The way he chose to break was also a very good tactic. I doubt he intended to do it all the time, but probably tried it out to see how Shane got on. Definitely had a few more tactical breaks in his case. It worked to some degree so why would he change it up?

Shane was having an off day, maybe due to Corey or maybe he was just having one of those days. Who knows. Credit to him though, who else can play that good on an off day?

It was nice to see tactics being brought into a game of pool. Don't see that so much. I get sick and tired not to mention sleepy when guys just run out and mow through racks as though they're late for dinner. I enjoy watching that too, but I can't take too much of it. This match was a decent balance.
 
Pidge said:
As far as the off-hand break goes...I'd be pissed off. I'd see it as a sign of disrespect in a way and them not giving a crap, which would piss me off no end.
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Boy, if this is all it takes to get into your head, I hope you play good pissed off.



The ONLY time you want to break like this is if you feel you can out move your opponent, or if you only need to get a couple balls to when the round. (i.e. your opponent can't just run out and 10 zip you if brake dry.) If you're playing someone who is better than you by a significant amount, they will just out move you, lock you down, then run out. Seen it happen too many times.

All the best,
 
jhanso18 said:
Boy, if this is all it takes to get into your head, I hope you play good pissed off.



The ONLY time you want to break like this is if you feel you can out move your opponent, or if you only need to get a couple balls to when the round. (i.e. your opponent can't just run out and 10 zip you if brake dry.) If you're playing someone who is better than you by a significant amount, they will just out move you, lock you down, then run out. Seen it happen too many times.

All the best,
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Would it not bother you?

I'd see it as complete disrespect to myself. Partly because I'd think they weren't trying, and partly because I'd think the only reason they're doing it is to piss me off. Also, the only reason I'd do it would to show my opponent I don't give a flying ****. its the same as pocketing the money ball off-handed when there is no need to. People only do it to show off and try to humiliate you.
 
CreeDo said:
I still don't get the left-handed thing unless he literally injured his shoulder.
But you may be right. Corey's 8b tactic led to fewer dry breaks (barely) but also far fewer runouts.
And yeah, Shane missed like 15+ shots. This is the same guy who missed ZERO cut shots
in a race to 27 against Mike. Some of those misses are due to corey forcing shane to break out
clusters and then settle on a tough shot afterwards. But I suspect he also lacked the same drive,
maybe he feels like Corey is not worth getting worked up about.
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He must have injured his right arm somehow. I cannot think of any advantage breaking with your opposite arm.
 
Pidge said:
Would it not bother you?

I'd see it as complete disrespect to myself. Partly because I'd think they weren't trying, and partly because I'd think the only reason they're doing it is to piss me off. Also, the only reason I'd do it would to show my opponent I don't give a flying ****. its the same as pocketing the money ball off-handed when there is no need to. People only do it to show off and try to humiliate you.
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Nope. When I play, I play the table not the opponent. If that's all it takes to get you off your mental game, you need to improve IMO. Who gives a flying *** what the other guy thinks of your game. If he's in the chair his opinion means about as much as what he's sitting on...

If you can humiliate me by breaking and/or shooting opposite handed good for you. In fact i would take it one step further as to respect the guy. That aint easy.

Long and short of it is in pool, just like life, play your game and don't worry about the other guy ****ing around. While he's ****ing around I'm getting mine!
 
jhanso18 said:
Nope. When I play, I play the table not the opponent. If that's all it takes to get you off your mental game, you need to improve IMO. Who gives a flying *** what the other guy thinks of your game. If he's in the chair his opinion means about as much as what he's sitting on...

If you can humiliate me by breaking and/or shooting opposite handed good for you. In fact i would take it one step further as to respect the guy. That aint easy.

Long and short of it is in pool, just like life, play your game and don't worry about the other guy ****ing around. While he's ****ing around I'm getting mine!
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You can't just play the table though. You might as well play the ghost. You've never left an opponent jump shots throughout a game because you know they can't jump well? Never slowed or increased your speed of play? Playing the opponent is mostly what I enjoy about competative play. Whether its for money or bragging rights with buddies, its way more fun to beat a guy not breaking and running out a single game, than it is to beat the ghost 10-0 IMO. Same applies when you lose too.

Perhaps my mental game does leave a lot to be desired. But its what makes me the player I am I guess. My opponents never know what emotion I'm feeling during a game, and if someone pisses me off it makes me want to win even more. Doesn't make me play any better or worse, but it gets me hungrier.
 
2nd ball break

I got to watch some of the 8 ball match and it looked like Corey was using the 2nd ball break.

I have seen this break used before on bar tables and it works, when we got 2nd at state my friend used the 2nd ball break and after the tournament we looked at the score sheets and his break and run was about 50%.

Its a great way to make a ball then you can pick the most open balls and you can decide early in the rack rather you are going to run out or plug a pocket and play safe.

I think Corey played the match perfectly, even though he lost, he played it on his terms when he got to break and thats about all you can do in pool.

Just my opinion.
 
Come on. He obviously had an injury and was trying his best to give himself a fighting chance. Hell he even broke left handed to try and save his arm. I'm sure that playing BB before a bunch of hours for three days did not help.

I thought the match was great. Best moment was during the second day interviews from JCIN. Let it be swift and merciful!

Nick
 
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