APA Rules Expert Needed
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A friend of mine showed me a shot! Cue ball extremely close to object ball, close to pocket! Hit with butt end of cue like a jump shot but a lot less harder, and draw the ball to the other end of the table!!! When he showed it to me, I was speechless
awesome shot if its legal
Well, here is what he did and why. The player was kinda short. So on long shots where he could not reach the cue ball, instead of using a bridge that he was not comfortable using, he would simply turn his stick around, lay the butt end on the table only a few inches away from the cue ball and push his stick into the cue ball. Using the butt end would not cause the cue ball to jump in the air as it would if using the cue tip. Now I agree that you are not going to get and accuracy or English if needed, but I thought it was kinda cleaver.
If stated that it is a foul, I would need proof from the APA rule book in which I cant find any.
You can find the APA rule book online here.
http://www.poolplayers.com/apa-rulebook-team-manual-scoresheets-and-other-materials/
http://www.poolplayers.com/apa-rulebook-team-manual-scoresheets-and-other-materials/
I believe it says that equipment must be designed for billiards (I don't recall the exact language), I don't believe it says "how" it should be used. The APA doesn't specify the material that tip be made of any specific material or be any particular size. No where does it say that the tip should be smaller than the butt. I personally have shot the shot where you slide your cue up under the cue ball and then lift in one motion, it seems to me those would be related.
However, I do recall reading at one time, perhaps in a team manual several years ago, that you must strike the cue ball with the tip and not the butt of the cue, but I fail to recall that rule in recent editions of the APA Team Manual.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's OK to do, but I don't think it violates any part of the team manual. I'd check your local rules regarding this
However, I do recall reading at one time, perhaps in a team manual several years ago, that you must strike the cue ball with the tip and not the butt of the cue, but I fail to recall that rule in recent editions of the APA Team Manual.
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's OK to do, but I don't think it violates any part of the team manual. I'd check your local rules regarding this
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The bumper is not generally designed to strike the cue ball. A bridge is the only accepted "specialty cue" allowed in the rules, unless overridden by the local bylaws.
Fouls are listed on pages 52-55 of the Team Manual. Shooting with the butt end of the cue is not listed there, so it is not a foul.
League operators are not permitted to create fouls in their local bylaws, either. If the bylaws in your area create additional ball-in-hand fouls, please bring it to the attention of the APA national office, who will work with your local operator to change the bylaws.
Operators may award ball-in-hand as a sportsmanship penalty, but those are not fouls and should be handled on a case-by-case basis. In other words, nothing should result in an automatic ball-in-hand except those fouls listed in the Team Manual.
League operators are not permitted to create fouls in their local bylaws, either. If the bylaws in your area create additional ball-in-hand fouls, please bring it to the attention of the APA national office, who will work with your local operator to change the bylaws.
Operators may award ball-in-hand as a sportsmanship penalty, but those are not fouls and should be handled on a case-by-case basis. In other words, nothing should result in an automatic ball-in-hand except those fouls listed in the Team Manual.
Appreciate the response.
So, in your territory, what would you do with this situation?
Hmmm, interesting. I know a league operator that put in a by law that you have to jackup your cue 45 degrees on a shot if the cue ball and object ball are touching or its a foul. So, you are saying that he can not do that?
Misuse of equipment is not a foul?
I wouldn't do anything with it. About the only thing it does is prevent a miscue, and that's not even guaranteed (try shooting with the butt end of a 5280 cue). In all other respects, it falls short of using a mechanical bridge and striking with the tip. It's not worth making an issue of it.
I'm saying we cannot create fouls, and if you think the bylaws in your area are creating fouls, you should bring it to the attention of the national office.
absolutely .. My wife loves playing in it so I play on her team to make her happy because she can't play on my bca teams. I see some of the stupidest $hit ever in that league but this by far takes the cake lol