That's fine, but you've already heard from Barry, thru Chris, this didn't happen. So that's that.
JV
Early 70's point blanks.
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That's fine, but you've already heard from Barry, thru Chris, this didn't happen. So that's that.
JV
They have always been called Wico and see no reason to change. There has been no verification that Gus bought from Bob Meucci. He could have bought them from Palmer, or Burton before Bob got involved. There is no record of Bob selling to Gus, just that Gus bought these style blanks that "could" have come from a few sources.
But I'll say this. If Barry says Gus bought them from Bob, well change. If it's hurting the ICA's credibility to much because the story at this point and time is conveluted, and doesn't match your website, then we'll call them the ABBMMAMA's. Short for the Alleged Blanks Bob Meucci Made A Millenia Ago.
JV
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Because I don't think Burton would want to be given credit for the blanks Bob built and I knew both men.
My asking the Wico question is only to see if there is a problem with history or a problem with Bob. Some here have a real ax to grind with Bob.
I think Bob is setting a few years of blank making history in order and those who feel his blanks would somehow ruin the worshipfulness of a pool cue cannot accept the fact that he made some blanks for these men that were wood veneers.
Some here have a real ax to grind with Bob.
I think Bob is setting a few years of blank making history in order and those who feel his blanks would somehow ruin the worshipfulness of a pool cue cannot accept the fact that he made some blanks for these men that were wood veneers.
I don't have an Axe to grinde with anyone, however, I find it interesting that only Bob recalls this history, and also that he has waited all these years to share this information. It just doesn't make sense that he did not know many years ago that he had been written out of the history that is excepted today.
I wish there was some way to prove this to be true, but until some proof is brought forward other than some ones comments I don't think many will just blindly follow Bob's memory after all these years, I could certainly be wrong and it will noit be the first time I have been.
Have a nice night Chris
It has been like six years ago that Bob first shared this with me. So this is not all that new of information. At first people say he never made blanks. Then someone on here finds someone that admits to buying 100 straight from Bob. Then Barry says Gus bought some Wico blanks. That is two confirmations he sold blanks to very famous cuemakers. So since it was confirmed that he indeed built and sold blanks, why would George not have bought from Bob while Burton was taking a break from blank making? The cue building world is very small and was smaller then. I have never seen anyone make a simple claim like this and get called a liar and ridiculed like this that I can think of.
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You know, put you in the category of to much time in the spraybooth. NO ONE here has an axe to grind with Bob. No one, the axe grinding is with YOU and your ridiculous claims that Bob can say something that goes against the grain with what's been written and must be accepted. 6 years ago, ironically when he was inducted into your HOF. Wow what a coincidence.
Now, whether Gus bought them from Wico or BOB is the only thing up in the air. No one here is saying do not give Bob the credit, it's just ironing out the details. Now about the wood veneers, we know he did not supply them to Gus, this isn't even in question. Unless you are telling me you're questioning that source vs Bob Meucci?
I'll ask again, anyone ever see a letter of authenticity from Pete, or heard from Pete that he has seen, or has proof, of Bob making them for George Balabushka?
Again for Chris, slowly....no one is against Bob Meucci, we are looking for collaboration and timeline clarification.
Facts are not based on faith.
Just for the record there are no examples of wood veneer blanks from Bob that have been verified. Lets just keep this in play until this is collaborated.
JV
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Well, looks like there's another word for us cue buffs to learn......"Meushka"
Well, looks like there's another word for us cue buffs to learn......"Meushka"
I was thinking Balabuuchi.. but we can go with either. :wink:
JV
I think you once again calculated wrong. Bob told me this in 2005 the year he did not go into the hall of fame. He was on the Ballot, but got beat. That was why I was talking to him and he shared some stuff with me then. When I shared it way back you basically called him a liar then and denied he built the Wico blanks if my poor memory serves me right. I do not know how old Barry is to know if he would have known all his dad's business from that far back or not, to take his word over an eye witness to the transaction.
I think Pete takes the stand, if it looks like a Spain it must be a Spain. I wish I had asked Pete when I talked to him. Maybe he and Bob should talk so Pete can know the years George bought them and the fact Bob used maple instead of holly in order to get his letters a little more accurate.
I am glad you do not have an axe to grind that would make you take everyone in the world's speculations and lack of knowledge over an eye witness to events. That is what you are doing, is saying no one knows anything Yes or No so it must not be true. Half of those who saw it are dead, so we cannot believe the half that is living. If no one else saw it, then it did not happen. Can you prove that people in Virginia ran 71 MPH in the fast lane like you said? Do you have proof of this? Can you provide this proof? I am being silly and so are those who ask Bob for such ridiculous stuff.
As far as your search for time line clarification, MLK jr died in 68, I found writings that Bob was with National in 68, so that is a good point for your time line for when he sold George blanks. Bob said he was building wood blanks then and while was at National he perfected the plastic veneer points and this was the point Burton took a break. So find when Burton started his break and if it was late 60's there is your collaboration.
One last question: If we find proof (acceptable proof to you) Bob made the maple veneer blanks for George in the late 60's. Will you have Pete modify all of the Spain blank letters Pete issued for cues for you guys that were really made by Bob instead of Burton?
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2005/2006 it's still only came up with YOU. He talked to other publications at least twice before and it didn't surface. There is NO mention of wood blanks by Bob anywhere except for 2005 with YOU. It's not like he never had a chance to tell his side of the story. So you'll take Bobs word and not Barry's? Ok fair enough, since I will be going the other way.
If you presented it like this, then I would be shocked if I didn't call you a liar. If someone says something with no proof, then that is the word I would use.
According to Burton he quit in June of 1970. Again you're trying to skew the timeline to what you need it to be. I am sorry Chris, please come back with some tangible evidence. BTW some of those that are dead, got to speak their piece BEFORE they died. You forget this for some reason.
As far as Pete goes, I can't speak for Pete. You would have to ask him what he would do in that case. But I guarantee he wouldn't do a thing just on Bob's word. I mean to what extent do you want to test the blank for maple, holly, or sycamore.
It's not prove to me, anyone reading this will want to see the same proof BEFORE taking this as gospel. Did Bob come off the mountain top with two stone tablets? Did I miss this?
Again since there is no way to prove this, I just want to say I was Balabushka's apprentice in 1975.
I was a 9 year old prodigy. 
Prove it, or it's an * just like Roger Maris...
On a side note. Chris you and I want the same thing. The truth, the difference is you're willing to sacrafice proof on someones word. You are jaded because you like Bob, regardless of the reason. I am jaded, because I am a die hard skeptic of everything and everyone. But believe me, we want the same thing. If Bob's claims can be collaborated, my advice would be to ask for the evidence to be included into the next BB, or Encyclopedia.
JV (---would hate to have a discussion with Chris if he was pro-bigfoot
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Those must be of a baby as they are much smaller than the ones in my yard.Can we agree to agree to call BS on this one ??
Things to think about
Cue builders liked each other for the most part and helped each other alot years ago and didn't think much of it.
They did what they did and favors were pepaid or not. The fact is who cares. They didn't. They know what they did for each other. Some things didn't get talked about publicly and should stay that way until one of the old guys wishes to. Bob, Danny and Bill have done so.
They were not known to do anything but dummy up. Now they can say things that were best not let known as comon knowledge. They just didn't care to talk publicly in the past respecting each others business..
Honest people.
Nick
Cue builders liked each other for the most part and helped each other alot years ago and didn't think much of it.
They did what they did and favors were pepaid or not. The fact is who cares. They didn't. They know what they did for each other. Some things didn't get talked about publicly and should stay that way until one of the old guys wishes to. Bob, Danny and Bill have done so.
They were not known to do anything but dummy up. Now they can say things that were best not let known as comon knowledge. They just didn't care to talk publicly in the past respecting each others business..
Honest people.
Nick
Cue builders liked each other for the most part and helped each other alot years ago and didn't think much of it.
They did what they did and favors were pepaid or not. The fact is who cares. They didn't. They know what they did for each other. Some things didn't get talked about publicly and should stay that way until one of the old guys wishes to. Bob, Danny and Bill have done so.
They were not known to do anything but dummy up. Now they can say things that were best not let known as comon knowledge. They just didn't care to talk publicly in the past respecting each others business..
Honest people.
Nick
This is one of the better posts in this thread.
They have always been called Wico and see no reason to change. There has been no verification that Gus bought from Bob Meucci. He could have bought them from Palmer, or Burton before Bob got involved. There is no record of Bob selling to Gus, just that Gus bought these style blanks that "could" have come from a few sources.
But I'll say this. If Barry says Gus bought them from Bob, well change. If it's hurting the ICA's credibility to much because the story at this point and time is conveluted, and doesn't match your website, then we'll call them the ABBMMAMA's. Short for the Alleged Blanks Bob Meucci Made A Millenia Ago.
JV
I know this is an old thread, but while looking for the ID of another cue I came across some more light on this subject. Here is a link to an old Gandy flyer that prints on their flyer that Bob Meucci built the Wico blanks and sold Gus and George these blanks. So the plot thickens. Is Barry old enough to know what Gus was doing in the late 1960's or early 1970's? My son does not even know what all I did on cues 20 years ago and he was 10 at the time, let alone who I bought all my materials from. How can me quoting Bob who was an eye witness to all this hurt the ICA's credibility? You have pretty much called Bob a liar and now we find out this is old info and not something new after all. Maybe Bob is owed an apology?
See post 4 in the thread below.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=340414&highlight=Schmidt
Here is another thread that says Gus built cues with these blanks.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=150272&highlight=Wico+blanks
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Chris,
I am sorry, if you're using that flyer as your smoking gun, I would be a little careful. The lower end of that flyer looks like the text was photo-shopped in. I don't buy the validity of that flyer for a second due to the difference in text format and color. Looks like the same guy who did that, did the touch up work on Obama's birth certificate.
JV (hint) the text in that blurbage is OVER the crease in the paper.
I am sorry, if you're using that flyer as your smoking gun, I would be a little careful. The lower end of that flyer looks like the text was photo-shopped in. I don't buy the validity of that flyer for a second due to the difference in text format and color. Looks like the same guy who did that, did the touch up work on Obama's birth certificate.
JV (hint) the text in that blurbage is OVER the crease in the paper.
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Gandy catalog
Here is another picture of the same catalog.
Here is another picture of the same catalog.
What about Tikkler's cue?