[POOL] Is NOT dying - [POOL is even STRONGER] !!!

Hustlin-Felice

Hustlin-Felice

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Hi everyone ;)

I want to share with you my conclusion, which came up to my mind after reading so many threads about: how weak is pool nowadays, pool is dying and etc.

Let me tell you something guys, Pool is definitely not dying! Pool is even getting stronger then it use to be!

But it does changing the way of getting the money out of it. Pool use to be most recognise as a sport for gamblers, and so they earned the biggest money on gambling; - Still is but.. Now pool become known as a tournament sport like snooker, and there you will find BIG money.

So if anyone says that it's dying and how sad it, it is not for sure.

In the old days people in States, Europe (not even mentioning Asia: China - Japan) couldn't afford their living costs.
So not be able to buy food, how much of them would go and spend money on game of pool ? Not many, isn't? If they did, they wanted to get some money out of it at the same time.. that's why they gambled

Now most of the people in USA, EU, and Japan, has got that comfort of being able to afford their living costs, and so for the relax they going to play game of pool in the Pool Halls, or local Pubs.


In European Pool Halls you will not hear that pool is dying, same in Asia. But in US you will.. which is Not good, because which Sponsor or Promotor will want to support and put money to the sport in which players a grumble that "it is the end" ? You are got entering the burning house, you running away from it.
Let's take the example from snooker players, in Snooker Hall you will not hear even that Snooker is struggling.


If we complaining how bed it is, we killing the spirit of the game, and the game it self.

The person, who says: "Pool is dying", will be first to be blame of it ! That's for sure.

Pool like any other sport JUST need good advertising, how GREAT it is :wink:


And don't forget: "Lie said one hundred times, is becoming a true"



I just had to say it ;)
 
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your right Felice, thats what a wise man said about saying our economy is dying and we are goinginto a recession,people start hearing that and they start clamming up with their money and stop spending it, and thats what causes problems for the economy when money isnt flowing, so you are right we need to talk like pool is thriving and it will if we believe it can....;)
 
Lucky_Lew66 said:
(...) thats what a wise man said about saying our economy is dying and we are goinginto a recession,people start hearing that and they start clamming up with their money and stop spending it, and thats what causes problems for the economy when money isnt flowing, so you are right we need to talk like pool is thriving and it will if we believe it can....;)
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That's right ! With Sport is like with economy, we - pool players need to be more optimistic ;)
 
Hustlin-Felice said:
Hi everyone ;)

I want to share with you my conclusion, which came up to my mind after reading so many threads about: how weak is pool nowadays, pool is dying and etc.

Let me tell you something guys, Pool is definitely not dying! Pool is even getting stronger then it use to be!

But it does changing the way of getting the money out of it. Pool use to be most recognise as a sport for gamblers, and so they earned the biggest money on gambling; - Still is but.. Now pool become known as a tournament sport like snooker, and there you will find BIG money.

So if anyone says that it's dying and how sad it, it is not for sure.

In the old days people in States, Europe (not even mentioning Asia: China - Japan) couldn't afford their living costs.
So not be able to buy food, how much of them would go and spend money on game of pool ? Not many, isn't? If they did, they wanted to get some money out of it at the same time.. that's why they gambled

Now most of the people in USA, EU, and Japan, has got that comfort of being able to afford their living costs, and so for the relax they going to play game of pool in the Pool Halls, or local Pubs.


In European Pool Halls you will not hear that pool is dying, same in Asia. But in US you will.. which is Not good, because which Sponsor or Promotor will want to support and put money to the sport in which players a grumble that "it is the end" ? You are got entering the burning house, you running away from it.
Let's take the example from snooker players, in Snooker Hall you will not hear even that Snooker is struggling.


If we complaining how bed it is, we killing the spirit of the game, and the game it self.

The person, who says: "Pool is dying", will be first to be blame of it ! That's for sure.

Pool like any other sport JUST need good advertising, how GREAT it is :wink:


And don't forget: "Lie said one hundred times, is becoming a true"



I just had to say it ;)
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You truly are delusional.
 
I agree that pool is NOT dying. Professional pool in America is struggling (really bad, too), but amateur league play is getting bigger and better every day. :thumbup:

Roger
 
I just want to share with you that you have not been where I've been. What used to be a busy 28 table room including two billiard tables and a 5 x 10 Snooker table now exists on DART players who have no interest in pool whatsoever and, probably, an illegal after hours poker game. Weekly Saturday 9 ball tournaments with 25-30+ players no longer exists and hasn't for some time. The New York State 9 Ball Championship which started in 1978 and continued into the late '90s at the same room is gone and will never return. Not even a fraction of the old crowd of players are around. Not even leagues any more. In another room in the same area, 8-10 players, most in their '60s and NO YOUNG PLAYERS WHATSOEVER. Everybody retired or on Disability. Very little, if any, action in a room known for it.
Locally, I personally know two players, one nationally known, who were going to open rooms, had tables in storage, just looking for a place. Not going to happen.
A positive attitude is all well and good, but when reality kicks you in the balls it will hurt, mark my words.
 
Pushout said:
I just want to share with you that you have not been where I've been. What used to be a busy 28 table room including two billiard tables and a 5 x 10 Snooker table now exists on DART players who have no interest in pool whatsoever and, probably, an illegal after hours poker game. Weekly Saturday 9 ball tournaments with 25-30+ players no longer exists and hasn't for some time. The New York State 9 Ball Championship which started in 1978 and continued into the late '90s at the same room is gone and will never return. Not even a fraction of the old crowd of players are around. Not even leagues any more. In another room in the same area, 8-10 players, most in their '60s and NO YOUNG PLAYERS WHATSOEVER. Everybody retired or on Disability. Very little, if any, action in a room known for it.
Locally, I personally know two players, one nationally known, who were going to open rooms, had tables in storage, just looking for a place. Not going to happen.
A positive attitude is all well and good, but when reality kicks you in the balls it will hurt, mark my words.
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I guess location really can play an important part in one's perspective then. My pro shop (where I'm at right now) is located in the largest pool room in Arizona (43 tables), and we have league play in here seven days a week. The APA, BCAPL, TAP, and ACS are all going strong, not only in this room, but all over Arizona. Tournament play is much less than it was a few years ago, but league and social play are up.

The APA brings in new people all the time. God Bless the APA!

Roger
 
In years past, I loved going to the pool room and playing, practicing, or watching others play. The pool hall was always alive with activity and lots of people to hang with. Now the pool room is a ghost town and there is no longer a reason to go there. I have still been going for the last few years hoping that things turn around, but unfortunately they haven't. It seems if I want to go where the players are then I should go to the poker room.

The economy is not hurting pool. I drive by the poker room every day and there are hundreds of cars there and none at the pool hall. The players made a choice to play poker in my area of the country and not to play pool.
 
Roger Long said:
I guess location really can play an important part in one's perspective then. My pro shop (where I'm at right now) is located in the largest pool room in Arizona (43 tables), and we have league play in here seven days a week. The APA, BCAPL, TAP, and ACS are all going strong, not only in this room, but all over Arizona. Tournament play is much less than it was a few years ago, but league and social play are up.

The APA brings in new people all the time. God Bless the APA!

Roger
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Apa was in the big room but no longer. I think a few people from the smaller one play but not many, I'm thinking. "Social play", for lack of a better word, is non-existent but for few diehards. I'm afraid I can't share your enthusiasm for apa, for reasons I won't go into.
 
I can agree with what you saying, but from my experience of living around europe and some countries in asia, I can be a witness of strong pool league in those two continents.

I've got I friends who come from philipines, there are clearly say that over there during lessons break in school, kids are going to the pool halls and enjoy the game. Some schools even have a pool tables for student (primary, secondary school, college) etc.

In China as far as I'm aware, you can choose Pool as a subject-direction, of what you want to study... just like biology, mathematic, or any other.
Players who winning trophies outside of China, getting money support from the government. Because they belive that Pro pool player who winning outside of China brining pride to theire country. Same with chinese snooker players, where perfect e.g. is Ding Junhui - a millionaire, and like a Mick Jagger for chinese nation.


You saying poker, I saying pool tournament.

People who playing poker, play it cause they want money. Same was with pool ( like in movie "The Hustler"), gambling, gambling, gambling.
In Europe, when you go for tournament it doesn't mean that you ain't gonna get some cheese out of it. Quite the opposite, you pay entry fee and from then on you are fighting to earn $$$.
In Europe, guys at pool halls are gambling to. But If you want to earn more, you need to look more for those who will be ready for big pay out. Simple, just like in Poker ;)

Pool was so big in gambling in USA, also because movies like "The Hustler", with Paul Newman, "Color of the money" with Tom Cruise. --- Which was basicly a GREAT advert for Pool.

Being optimist is not hurting.
 
Plus the producers of cues, tables, cue tips, do they struggle? I don't think so. If pool would be going down, they suppose to be the first to rethink the market.

Does the Pro pool players struggle? I don't think so. If you have a look on sort of official money income at AZB MONEY LEADBOARD, you can't say that they're poor. They deserve that money or even more, because of all the risk and hardwork, don't get me wrong.
But how many people on the earth earning 65 - 170K per year, not including gambling.
 
Hustlin-Felice said:


Does the Pro pool players struggle? I don't think so. If you have a look on sort of official money income at AZB MONEY LEADBOARD, you can't say that they're poor. They deserve that money or even more, because of all the risk and hardwork, don't get me wrong.
But how many people on the earth earning 65 - 170K per year, not including gambling.
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Without looking, how many are making a living after expenses, which continue to climb? I wish I could say things were getting better but I just don't think it's happening all over the US.
 
I'll pass on your optimism to the former owners of the 20+ rooms that have closed down over the last few years around here.
 
Philthepockets said:
I'll pass on your optimism to the former owners of the 20+ rooms that have closed down over the last few years around here.
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Come on buddy, you can't say that pool dies cause some of pall halls close down. We had awful credit crunch all over the world, costed mainly because pessimism at wall street and irrational banking.
e.g. Look what's happened with Detroit.

Many smaller and bigger businesses closed down, pool got harmed too. But it is not Pool's fault. People still want to play it, watch it, enjoy it and get money out of it. ;)


Like someone smart said before, location play a big role
 
Hustlin-Felice said:
Come on buddy, you can't say that pool dies cause some of pall halls close down. We had awful credit crunch all over the world, costed mainly because pessimism at wall street and irrational banking.
e.g. Look what's happened with Detroit.

Many smaller and bigger businesses closed down, pool got harmed too. But it is not Pool's fault. People still want to play it, watch it, enjoy it and get money out of it. ;)


Like someone smart said before, location play a big role
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Sorry young people don't play much anymore as there are many other distractions. Most of the old school players are dying off and the ones in between don't play cause there is nothing in it for them.
I hate to break it to ya but it's not dying it's deceased, dead, defunct and expired it is an ex.
 
Pushout said:
Apa was in the big room but no longer. I think a few people from the smaller one play but not many, I'm thinking. "Social play", for lack of a better word, is non-existent but for few diehards. I'm afraid I can't share your enthusiasm for apa, for reasons I won't go into.
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That is a sad situation, Pushout. I'm sorry to hear it.

And I do understand what you mean about the APA. ;)

Roger
 
When I was 17 I started playing pool with friends. The local pool hall had 8 9' tables. 7 days a week after 5pm to about 2am all the tables had people on them. Pool tournaments on wed and thursday night. Things were rocking and it was awesome. 3 to 4 years later things started to really slow down. At this point I was decent and would go with friends to different pool halls to play in tournaments and gamble. Over the years the pool halls went from packed to having only a hand full of people in them and winning tournaments was less than $125. Now many are only open a few days a week.
 
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