Now the John vs. Lou poll removed
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Yeah, but you're not Stan Shuffett. :smile:
Very true. However I use his methods and its enough to make the banks I shoot at.
I'm gonna make some of the ones you DON'T shoot at! How about them apples!
John my boy, I'm not a "method" actor, I just get up there and swing, so you can save your videos for someone else. I said I would play you some Banks, so after you take off the cheese in March, you can stop by L.A on your way home and get some more here. I won't dog the bet I promise you. You can bet anywhere from 100 to 500 a game, 9-Ball Banks. The way I play (by the game) you can quit when you want or when you've had enough. And that goes for me too.
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the west coast is on the menu for sure but later in the year. Don't worry Jay I am not scared of you either. I always have five hundred ready to donate to any senior citizen who can take it. I know how I bank and its good enough to play you. And if you find any bank I won't shoot that you will you can have a free $100.In fact maybe that's a better way to do it, let's just play Horse for $100 a shot.
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In fact maybe that's a better way to do it, let's just play Horse for $100 a shot.
John, I've got a great idea. We quit talking and settle this on the table. I won't engage in continuous banter with you, it serves no further purpose in my mind. I told you I was willing to play and you agreed, so that's enough for me. We can start out playing 9-Ball Banks and go from there. You don't need to respond to this, just show up with money in hand and I will play. I'm not making any firm date with you now because I don't know my schedule that far ahead. Come to L.A. and we will play if I'm in town. I prefer L.A. because I rarely carry my cue on a plane anymore. We can play on a Diamond or a Gold Crown or on the floor!
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You forgot #2, you fargin icehole
I keeps money.
You are sure training the best way to make you're game jump. One pocket is the only game I know, where someone fairly new to the game can jump two balls in a short time.
John, I've got a great idea. We quit talking and settle this on the table. I won't engage in continuous banter with you, it serves no further purpose in my mind. I told you I was willing to play and you agreed, so that's enough for me. We can start out playing 9-Ball Banks and go from there. You don't need to respond to this, just show up with money in hand and I will play. I'm not making any firm date with you now because I don't know my schedule that far ahead. Come to L.A. and we will play if I'm in town. I prefer L.A. because I rarely carry my cue on a plane anymore. We can play on a Diamond or a Gold Crown or on the floor!
You seem uptight for some reason. I already told you we can play. How can I be any clearer than that? I didn't ask you for a firm date. Didn't I say I would be on the West Coast later in the year.
I already know that you consider banks to be your game. It's cool. I like banks and I am not too bad at the game. Good enough to run fives once in a while so that's good enough to try you some.
Maybe I will see you at Derby and if you have time you can snap me off for some lunch money.
Shhh. don't tell all the triple-smart million balls ex-road players here. They all think you can't learn to play good one pocket with any less that 20 years of experience among top notchers.
The flat fact is that ANYONE can become a good player with the right amount of instruction and training coupled with intensive seasoning.
But don't bust their myth.
The worse you are the more you can improve but at some point that comes to a screeching halt ,, one of the biggest mis beliefs is the best players are only that good because they practice and play more ,, its simply not true
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Really? What is your basis for saying that? The research indicates otherwise. Perhaps it's the other way around and the biggest myth is that there is a limit.
What 'research' ???...Sorry John, that is wishful thinking !..The fact is, for someone who has loved the game, and played
it all his life like you have..you NO DOUBT reached your FULL potential about 15-20 years ago !
PS..The amazing thing is, that as smart as you think you are, you cannot see that ! :sorry:
But, have a nice Christmas dinner !
In fact maybe that's a better way to do it, let's just play Horse for $100 a shot.
John, I've got a great idea. We quit talking and settle this on the table. I won't engage in continuous banter with you, it serves no further purpose in my mind. I told you I was willing to play and you agreed, so that's enough for me. We can start out playing 9-Ball Banks and go from there. You don't need to respond to this, just show up with money in hand and I will play. I'm not making any firm date with you now because I don't know my schedule that far ahead. Come to L.A. and we will play if I'm in town. I prefer L.A. because I rarely carry my cue on a plane anymore. We can play on a Diamond or a Gold Crown or on the floor!
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What 'research' ???...Sorry John, that is wishful thinking !..The fact is, for someone who has loved the game, and played
it all his life like you have..you NO DOUBT reached your FULL potential about 15-20 years ago !
PS..The amazing thing is, that as smart as you think you are, you cannot see that ! :sorry:
But, have a nice Christmas dinner !
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Been discussed here many times. People like me do love the game but not enough to dedicate our life to practicing it at a deep level. Guys like me were never all-in as players. There is a huge difference between half-assed practice where you bang balls for an hour or dedicated focused practice where you work on one shot for an hour.
So a person's potential is unknown because there is not a shred of evidence that shows a person who did go all-in who failed to become a world class player. And to clarify, by world class I mean good enough to take a set off ANY other living human at any time, not the best of the best. However when the best of the of the best were studied it was revealed that they too also put in MORE time and more dedicated deep practice than their peers.
You are good enough to google for silly images, instead of wasting your time doing that why don't you go find the science that has been done on this subject and open your closed mind to the way we understand the world now rather than staying stuck in the 50s.
Their is no credible science that would ever support such lunacy do you honestly believe that the only reason you don't play like Earl and Shane is because you don't practice enough ....
Their is such thing as natural talent and everyone has a cap on how good they can be even the great ones their cap is just higher
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Tap Tap, this is the real deal! When I was a young man, I practiced and played as much as any living human and I reached my full potential as a pool player. I played pretty good but always a speed or two below the top players. They just had more ability then me and I could see it. That's why I finally gave up and became a tournament director. My friend Danny Diliberto said it best to me one day, "Jay, you're a shortstop for life!"
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ok. So, credible science is that which confirms your belief?
The funny thing about these forums is that whenever a person states an opinion the assumption by those who differ is that the opposing person has ALWAYS held that opposing opinion.
In my case that is not true. I was once in the natural talent and limits camp just like you. But over time I have come to understand that it's a myth. The fact is that the only limits are physical ability and mental capacity.
If so then please show me one world champion that didn't put the time in. Or show me one single person who did put the time in and didn't get to world class. Just one. Show me any person who put a solid 8 hours a day of DEEP practice with a coach for years who did not become world class.
You can't.
Now show me any person who is world class who got there with less than deep practice for years.
You can't.
If you're right then the fact of it is that there ought to be dozens ad hundreds of such examples of champions who didn't have to work AS HARD as their peers to reach championship level.
But the facts show that ALL champions had to work as hard and the ones who did the best at championship level worked EVEN HARDER, doing more, going the extra distance, studying deeper than their peers. In short, what they displayed was a deeper DESIRE than their peers which then guided them to the greatest heights.
So along with the aiming system debate the talent vs. work debate will never die. It's much more romantic to believe that some people are just born to play pool and nothing else. But that's just not true. People are born with certain traits but as far as what they can DO as humans and what each person's limits are in any endeavor that is not fixed at birth if they fall in the normal range of physical and mental ability.
Some people are wired differently though, some are retarded and so they cannot ever reach the logical levels to play high level one pocket, some people are very intelligent and able to quickly recognize patterns and so they have a greater ability to play high level one pocket.
But are grandmaster chess players smarter than an average person at anything but chess? The studies prove that they are not. They are smarter at chess because they have trained their brain to be smarter at chess. They may have been drawn to chess because their brain understood it easily.
Now let's look at learning in general. In a typical class some kids appear to be smarter and race ahead through the information while other kids appear to be dumber and struggle with the information when all kids are taught at the same pace and expected to learn at the same pace. When the learning process is flipped to a situation where each kid is allowed to progress at their own pace the results are that the quicker kids finish the easier work faster then slow way down and struggle with the harder work while the slower kids absorb the easy work slowly and then go faster on the harder work. The end result is that all the kids end up with the same level of knowledge and mastery of the subjects, just at different rates.
But our school system says that those who race ahead are gifted and talented while those who lag a little are retarded or just normal.
But then that type of study and science-based learning based on real-world experience and data doesn't fit in your paradigm does it?
I was in G&T classes from sixth grade onward. I doubt very many here would consider me gifted or talented and for sure you and Dick and probably Jay consider me to be retarded.