15 Ball Ghost Rating Drill

Gerry Williams said:
So a miss counts as a BIH?

So if I miss and need BIH after that counts as 2 correct?
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Great question. I'm going to say yes and I'll update the soap when I get hone.

And I think it's the best way of preventing just hitting balls randomly to break up clusters. I mean you could but it counts as BIH and goes against your total score.
 
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crazy drill!
I think it's too hard, at least on a 8ft table, lots of clusters, I had to make some really difficult combination shots... there is no human making 10, and I think most of the real pros would get an A in general. Maybe 6 balls in hand (or do not count the starting one) and a little wider ranges would be more realistic. Just my point of view.
 
frigopie said:
crazy drill!
I think it's too hard, at least on a 8ft table, lots of clusters, I had to make some really difficult combination shots... there is no human making 10, and I think most of the real pros would get an A in general. Maybe 6 balls in hand (or do not count the starting one) and a little wider ranges would be more realistic. Just my point of view.
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I might work on changing the rankings, but for now, I'll keep them as is.

I don't think the rankings can be relative to other ranking systems just based on the difficulty of the drill.
 
A lot of fun - I had 29 (8 in the first 5 racks and 21 in the last 5) Argh!

I can post the video if anyone is interested.

I will likely take another run at this tonight :)

Gerry8
 
Gerry Williams said:
A lot of fun - I had 29 (8 in the first 5 racks and 21 in the last 5) Argh!

I can post the video if anyone is interested.

I will likely take another run at this tonight :)

Gerry8
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Please do, if you can.

I'll add your score to the OP.

I think an A ranking is right for you, and it even sounds like you could do better.
 
BeiberLvr said:
First off I apologize if something like this already exists. I just thought of it tonight, and haven't actually tried it out yet. I do think it would be a fun practice game, and the ratings seem like they would be accurate, but I'm willing to make adjustments if needed.

Having 5 ball in hands per rack might make it seem easy, but the beauty of it is that it's not just about getting out. It's about getting out with the least number of ball in hands, and having the option to take 5 just makes it more accessible to the majority of us that have no shot against the 15 ball ghost.

Rules:
1. Rack all 15 balls (1 at the top, 15 in the middle, 2 and 3 on the corners).
2. Break
3. Take ball in hand anywhere on the table, and try to run out.
4. You are allowed up to 5 ball in hands per rack.
5. If you scratch on the break, you lose a ball in hand (so only 4 per rack).
6. Play a total of 10 racks.
7. Your score is determined by the total # of ball in hands you take after all 10 racks.
8. If you don’t manage to get out in a rack, then your score for that rack is 6.
9. An illegal hit counts against you in the form of a usage of ball in hand. So if you were you to not hit the lowest numbered ball in order to break up a cluster, and then took ball in hand, that would count as 2 ball in hands.
10. If you scratch, that counts as a ball in hand. However, you can choose to take ball in hand in the kitchen afterwards, and that won't count as a ball in hand. This also applies to scratches on the break. If the lowest numbered ball is in the kitchen, it gets spotted.
11. If you make an illegal hit, and scratch. The secondary shot will count as ball in hand. So 2 ball in hands.
12. A miss counts as a ball in hand.

10-20: Pro
21-30: A
31-40: B
41-50: C
51+: D


Posted Scores:
Joe Tucker - 28 (A)
Gerry Williams - 29 (A)
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I think the scratch should just go in the miss catagory and forget about kitchen rules, that'll just boil down to luck of where the next ball is.

I don't really understand the miss is a ball in hand? If I miss the 6 ball I should simply HAVE to take ball in hand on the next shot so now I would have taken 2 BIHs correct? Or are you saying; I miss, that's a ball in hand and I can shoot from there? I like miss, forced bih otherwise again, its just lucky if I miss good and have a shot it 1 bih if I don't have shot its 2 bihs?

I think I like have to hit lowest numbered ball rule or that's an additional bih.

I'm a lil busy next couple days (who am I kiddin, next 6 months lol) but I'll try to get a video of 10 racks.
 
Joe T said:
I think the scratch should just go in the miss catagory and forget about kitchen rules, that'll just boil down to luck of where the next ball is.

I don't really understand the miss is a ball in hand? If I miss the 6 ball I should simply HAVE to take ball in hand on the next shot so now I would have taken 2 BIHs correct? Or are you saying; I miss, that's a ball in hand and I can shoot from there? I like miss, forced bih otherwise again, its just lucky if I miss good and have a shot it 1 bih if I don't have shot its 2 bihs?

I think I like have to hit lowest numbered ball rule or that's an additional bih.

I'm a lil busy next couple days (who am I kiddin, next 6 months lol) but I'll try to get a video of 10 racks.
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Ok, how about this (think of ball in hand as a foul)

Any miss on a legal hit is 1 foul, and player has the option of taking ball in hand after the miss for a maximum of 2 fouls.

All scratches (CB in pocket, CB off table, or OB off table) only counts as 1 foul which is the ball in hand taken after the scratch. If the OB is knocked off the table, it gets spotted.

An illegal hit (not hitting lowest ball first) is automatic 2 fouls. 1 for the illegal hit, and 1 for forced ball in hand afterwards.

Does that work?

And thanks everyone for helping me iron out the details, and making this work (hopefully) :)
 
To play 15 ball rotation at a high level you better be good at combos, billiards, and caroms. Jump shots too I guess. Johnnyt[
 
Sounds like a great game, but you might want to adjust the ratings a little. If a player of Joe T's caliber can barely make A, that leaves no hope for the rest of us regular Joes. I also don't think there are many B players who can negotiate clusters and play shape well enough to make less than 40.
I haven't tried it yet though, so those are just my thoughts. Anyway, I do think it's it's a great idea for practice though, and will give it a shot and report back.
 
Nice shooting Jerry.
You make it look a lot easier than it really is. I agree with you on the break, getting a good spread is definitely key. Thanks for posting!
 
BeiberLvr said:
Ok, how about this (think of ball in hand as a foul)

Any miss on a legal hit is 1 foul, and player has the option of taking ball in hand after the miss for a maximum of 2 fouls.

All scratches (CB in pocket, CB off table, or OB off table) only counts as 1 foul which is the ball in hand taken after the scratch. If the OB is knocked off the table, it gets spotted.

An illegal hit (not hitting lowest ball first) is automatic 2 fouls. 1 for the illegal hit, and 1 for forced ball in hand afterwards.

Does that work?

And thanks everyone for helping me iron out the details, and making this work (hopefully) :)
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Ok, I went ahead and added the above to the rules.

As for the rankings, I may adjust after seeing more people post their scores, and getting feedback from those that have taken the "test"

Only two have posted their scores so far, but I think it's an accurate representation of their skill levels. Not to mention, it was only their first attempt at it, and there is potential to score much higher.
 
Here ya go; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhR4XWG1Fog&feature=youtu.be
Not pretty, especially at the beginning. If I had a shot at the 1 ball I didn't take BIH immediately after the break. If I missed a shot I took a forced BIH, I think I took 20 BIHs.
Tough drill that reminds me of WHY I used to do all that mental practice, lol
Sorry for the crooked camara angle lol hasn't been up for a while?
 
Joe T said:
Here ya go; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhR4XWG1Fog&feature=youtu.be
Not pretty, especially at the beginning. If I had a shot at the 1 ball I didn't take BIH immediately after the break. If I missed a shot I took a forced BIH, I think I took 20 BIHs.
Tough drill that reminds me of WHY I used to do all that mental practice, lol
Sorry for the crooked camara angle lol hasn't been up for a while?
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Thanks Joe, I'll take a look at it in a bit.

I tried it today, and I agree with your earlier suggestion of a forced ball in hand after a miss, and it only counting as 1 point/ball in hand. The drill is meant to be tough, but missing a ball (1 point) and then taking ball in hand (another point) is too severe a penalty. Especially for weaker players like me.

I agree with whoever else said the break was huge. It's tough for me because the place I go to has the cheapest worst plastic racks, and I couldn't even get a decent spread. I expect a few clusters here and there, but I had multiple breaks where there were 5-6 balls bunched up near the rack area. That's tough to fade even with multiple ball in hands.
 
BeiberLvr said:
First off I apologize if something like this already exists. I just thought of it tonight, and haven't actually tried it out yet. I do think it would be a fun practice game, and the ratings seem like they would be accurate, but I'm willing to make adjustments if needed.

Having 5 ball in hands per rack might make it seem easy, but the beauty of it is that it's not just about getting out. It's about getting out with the least number of ball in hands, and having the option to take 5 just makes it more accessible to the majority of us that have no shot against the 15 ball ghost.

Rules:
1. Rack all 15 balls (1 at the top, 15 in the middle, 2 and 3 on the corners).
2. Break
3. Take ball in hand anywhere on the table, and try to run out.
4. You are allowed up to 5 ball in hands per rack.
5. If you scratch on the break, you lose a ball in hand (so only 4 per rack).
6. Play a total of 10 racks.
7. Your score is determined by the total # of ball in hands you take after all 10 racks.
8. If you don’t manage to get out in a rack, then your score for that rack is 6.
9. All scratches (CB in pocket, CB off table, or OB off table) only count as 1 foul which is the ball in hand taken after the scratch. If the OB is knocked off the table, it gets spotted.
10. An illegal hit (not hitting lowest ball first) is automatic 2 fouls.
11. Any miss on a legal hit is 1 foul.
12. If you make a legal hit, miss, and then scratch. That counts as 1 foul.
13. Call pocket.
12. Pocketing the 15 ball early does not count as a win. Ball stays down, and player continues to shoot.

10-20: Pro
21-30: A
31-40: B
41-50: C
51+: D


Posted Scores:
Joe Tucker - 28 (A) Video
Gerry Williams - 29 (A) (Video)
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Added/adjusted some rules.

Added Joe's video.
 
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