US Bans sale of all ivory across state lines
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I have cues with ivory and cues without. I love them all, but probably won't order any more with ivory. Mainly as a personal conviction, if nothing more.
That being said, the U.S. banning the sale of ivory across state lines is reminiscent of the "War on Drugs". It's a giant waste of money that won't change anything until the international community takes a stand as well. Especially the countries where the contraband is created whether it's cocaine or ivory......
We have homeless in the streets, the economy sucks, we face a potential war at every turn, our deficit climbs everyday and we are focusing efforts on something we will never be able to control by throwing money and resources at it that we don't have. Your tax dollars at work.
Just my two cents worth....
-J
That being said, the U.S. banning the sale of ivory across state lines is reminiscent of the "War on Drugs". It's a giant waste of money that won't change anything until the international community takes a stand as well. Especially the countries where the contraband is created whether it's cocaine or ivory......
We have homeless in the streets, the economy sucks, we face a potential war at every turn, our deficit climbs everyday and we are focusing efforts on something we will never be able to control by throwing money and resources at it that we don't have. Your tax dollars at work.
Just my two cents worth....
-J
Here in NZ, you have to show the cue you have does not have elephant ivory. So having another animal bone in the cue,if it looks like an ivory type material to someone who does not know the difference, it will be confiscated, unless you have documentation to prove otherwise.
Stuff that is already here is ok, just can not be easily exported, and certainly not easily imported.
Some have been successful in bringing in a pool cue with ivory in it on their carry on luggage, but becomes the luck of the draw and who is doing the checking.
Stuff that is already here is ok, just can not be easily exported, and certainly not easily imported.
Some have been successful in bringing in a pool cue with ivory in it on their carry on luggage, but becomes the luck of the draw and who is doing the checking.
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Thats about right. Instead of sending millions, billions in foreign aide, Muslim Good Will, rebuilding Mosques etc, why not put the money where it will do the most good.
Catching the people that are doing the poaching.
A little further research indicates that this new rule will not be in effect until sometime during the summer (likely until late June) so it's not illegal yet. At least not today, probably not tomorrow
Since Ivory can't be sold accross state lines, what if we are "donating" a cue to someone as a gift accross state lines?
Know what I'm sayin?
Know what I'm sayin?
American ingenuity, I like it. Or maybe we come up with a different name, something lie Organic African Pearl Stone
Maybe we can start inlaying really good pot into cues? testing for authenticity is much more fun!
anyway, I was putting all my elephant tusks in the attic so I wouldny get busted and tripped over my seal fur coat and ripped my alligator short shorts spilling my black rhino horn tea all over my albino bear cub rug!.....some days you just can't win!
G.
anyway, I was putting all my elephant tusks in the attic so I wouldny get busted and tripped over my seal fur coat and ripped my alligator short shorts spilling my black rhino horn tea all over my albino bear cub rug!.....some days you just can't win!
G.
I like where this is going.
LOL!
Almost had me for a second, until I realized you said black rhino horn tea, when in fact it's grey rhino horn tea
I am currently looking at buying an ebony cue that has some ivory inlays, joints and ferrules...does this law make that a bad idea? Meaning if I were too sell it in five years would it be a huge hassle to advertise and sell? or is value going to go up? not that im planning on ever selling, its basically my dream cue, just don't want to get stuck with a possession that I don't have an option of selling if I need to, or taking a big hit on because of limited market in my own state
This is Terrible.....this law is going to spell doom for the pool cue industry and collectors....cues are going to become worth hardly anything.
You know I hate to see you get screwed so I'll help everyone out. Anyone with a ivory joint cue by:
Joel Hercek
Ed Prewitt
Dennis Searing
Richard Black,
Verl Horn
Bill Stroud
Ernie Guitterez
Paul Mottey
Randy Mobley
Contact me soon before the Tsunami gets here.......I'll buy your cue if I like it.
I can't pay you what your cue used to be worth before this ivory time bomb happened
but you can't expect too much now with this new law. I'll do my best to help you out
and let me take on your problem and I will bear the burden and risk of owning your cue.
Simply looking to try to assist some fellow AZers with this dastardly ivory cue problem.
Matt B.
You know I hate to see you get screwed so I'll help everyone out. Anyone with a ivory joint cue by:
Joel Hercek
Ed Prewitt
Dennis Searing
Richard Black,
Verl Horn
Bill Stroud
Ernie Guitterez
Paul Mottey
Randy Mobley
Contact me soon before the Tsunami gets here.......I'll buy your cue if I like it.
I can't pay you what your cue used to be worth before this ivory time bomb happened
but you can't expect too much now with this new law. I'll do my best to help you out
and let me take on your problem and I will bear the burden and risk of owning your cue.
Simply looking to try to assist some fellow AZers with this dastardly ivory cue problem.
Matt B.
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I'm going to change my look, I think I was just profiled.
Since this ivory ban obviously affects pool players more than anyone else :smile:, no more sloppy shorts / jeans, tee shirt, and baseball hat.
Road players that use ivory ferrules better start dressing up like they did in the old days.
Drive a Bentley and dress like you are part of a drug cartel, so they will never suspect you for having 20-ivory spears in your player.
I'm looking for a cue mule if anyone wants to take the chance, but if you get popped I don't know you.
Since this ivory ban obviously affects pool players more than anyone else :smile:, no more sloppy shorts / jeans, tee shirt, and baseball hat.
Road players that use ivory ferrules better start dressing up like they did in the old days.
Drive a Bentley and dress like you are part of a drug cartel, so they will never suspect you for having 20-ivory spears in your player.
I'm looking for a cue mule if anyone wants to take the chance, but if you get popped I don't know you.
It has been said, a Black Light. I don't know if there are any other materials that may show up as well.
I have Camel Bone in one of mine. It looks just fine. I guess that female camels are exempt.
Someone mentioned walrus ivory. I believe that in Canada, the Inuit People are the only ones allowed to harvest and use that type of ivory.
Might have a hard time proving that you have Walrus and not Elephant when it comes down to it.
There is, or was a seller in Canada where you could get Mammoth and Walrus ivory. I had sent him a couple of emails some time ago with no return.
These days, there is imitation ivory and a host of other great looking materials that can replace the use of ivory and are most likely more functional.
If it were a different product I could understand but I would never own a cue with Ivory in it. Just a matter of principle for me.
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I see some posts referring to "ethical reasons" and "principles" for not wanting cues that contain ivory. I respect your positions and fully support your freedom of choice. The issue here however is that very thing. Ones choices and freedoms are being taken away. Also many will suffer monetary losses and this has nothing to do with protecting the majestic pachyderm. It is all political posturing to pander to a particular political base.
I think the cuemakers, collectors, and players who want ivory, that is preban and documented, should have that option and I see nothing unprincipled or unethical about that.
I think the cuemakers, collectors, and players who want ivory, that is preban and documented, should have that option and I see nothing unprincipled or unethical about that.
Just like on Ebay there will be a lot of faux ivory shipped...
JV
JV
I think much to do about nothing. This is speculation only but I am thinking the primary target of this law would be those trading in the raw ivory itself. That's not saying there won't be some government moron, somewhere, someplace, sometime, that confiscates something that contains ivory.
How would they propose busting those who ship a cue with ivory? Unless you insure the cue, USPS, UPS or FedEx never asks what's in the package.
How would they propose busting those who ship a cue with ivory? Unless you insure the cue, USPS, UPS or FedEx never asks what's in the package.