Shane w/o a Break Shot

Neil said:
What's next, change the rules like they did on Corey Duel
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I wondered about that too. Corey D. and Ronnie Alcano, both were using the soft break technique, then they changed the breaking rules! But as you can see, there's an issue with the advantage of someone who breaks well and is capable of running the table after. Some of the breaking rule changes I've noticed: 3 balls must pass the string, break from the box, alternate break format. These were done to take the break shot away as a big factor. To say that the break shot is not a huge advantage is a bit short sighted. Yes, you need the other skills.

Imagine if someone were to come around and be able to break and get the 9 in more than 50% of the time. I'm sure we'd still put that players other skills up for debate, and they would probably change the rules to spot the 9ball after break! LOL.

My OP was to compare Shane's game with the other Pros, minus his breakshot. There's no doubt in my mind that he's world class. Just wondering how that others stack him up. Again, I'm a fan and I'm not trying to put his game down.
 
robsnotes4u said:
Don't know to many other people who will give Corey Deuel the 5/6 in 10 ball and win 21-10
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This is why I'd like to see a match up with him and Darren, but in his own turf. Corey, from what I've seen lately hasn't been playing to the level he used to, or atleast to compete with the players recently. Do you know the break rules for their match?
 
Cornerman said:
There should really be no speculation. He improved everything. He's one of the best kickers, bankers, safety players in the game. He has the best work ethic to improve his game. And now this young man is taking things a little easier.

Freddie <~~~ surely watching him in person is better than speculating on the internet.
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Does anyone know who his mentors were, if any? How did he breakthrough? Surely practice and dedication, but for many that isn't enough. What was the secret ingredient to his success?
 
Skratch said:
Does anyone know who his mentors were, if any? How did he breakthrough? Surely practice and dedication, but for many that isn't enough. What was the secret ingredient to his success?
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His mother is former National Women's Champion Timi Bloomberg. His grandfather who I think he credits as a mentor is Gary Bloomberg. Chad "BigNasty" Pollman (RIP) was also one of his mentors from "in the pool room" point of view.

He used Charley Bond's BreakRak to practice and perfect his break.

His secret seems to be countless of controlled practice hours with the goal of getting excellence out of his stroke.

Shane was destined for greatness. If you saw him from before to the man he has become, some of these ridiculous statements (not yours) would never be said. This kid has put in a lot of work, was already winning tournaments, and put some serious gambling hours into his game. He pretty much went from kid to man. That might have been the biggest jump.

He already had championship form prior to the signature break. Consider he has won many 9-ball tournaments that don't require the big break. This should answer anyone's question.

He's already had matchups with Darren on this side of the pond.
 
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Skratch said:
Thank you for that info!! i obviously missed that challenge matchup. What was the result?
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Shane won.

TAR 30 - http://massiveunderstatement.com/?p=10229

They played on very tight pockets and the level of play went down. Shane showed on subsequent matchups what he can do when conditions become a little more normal. As playing conditions get easier, the better player normally stretches out his advantages in the long run.

Freddie <~~~ imnsho
 
Cornerman said:
Great post.

The only thing not correct about this (and really, your post is great, so don't get me wrong on this) is that he actually became a world class shot maker and position player before his break became what it is. He came to the Derby City Classic fresh off of the Windy City win, and he didn't have this signature break yet. In other words, he was already improving to the point of winning a break through tournament. And he kept on improving. He went from young non-elite to elite in about a year (and I"m sure some people will misunderstand that statement).

There should really be no speculation. He improved everything. He's one of the best kickers, bankers, safety players in the game. He has the best work ethic to improve his game. And now this young man is taking things a little easier.

Freddie <~~~ surely watching him in person is better than speculating on the internet.
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No worries, and that's interesting to know!

It definitely was just pure speculation on my part, as far as how his game might or might not have developed, since I don't recall having seen him play prior to his "explosion". Or at least if I did, it didn't register. :)
 
he's very skillful and a good shotmaker. he also knows well how to kick. the best american player today, and one of the best in the world.
 
He just beat Jesse Engel 7-2 on the BB. He was one stroking a lot of shots, effortlessly. Not to mention, he's playing on the barbox with a 23oz 64" cue!!!
 
It would take him down a notch or two.

As it is now, with his monster break, he can probably give most pros at least the 6 ball and win.

Without his monster break, he can probably only give them the 7 ball.
 
so i suppose i'm the only1 here that thinks that shane doesn't feed any confidence off of his break and it doesn't magnify other aspects of his game when his break is in absolute dead punch and he's giving the prince of pool the 5/6 and he still has no chance in the pit of hades? just like mr liddell didn't likely feel he had supernatural powers after he connected on some1's jaw
 
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