I've told you the truth..you word things up as you see fit.
I can see you just cant help yourself.
Have a Great Sunday John.
Anthony
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John Barton VS Lou Figueroa
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I've told you the truth..you word things up as you see fit.
I can see you just cant help yourself.
Have a Great Sunday John.
Anthony
Will do. Tell you what Tony, I will be happy to pay for and sponsor a competition between you and Stan.
You have said you have spent a lot of time on your game and you somehow feel cheated that Stan is offering to teach people how to make shots you claim to have spent years working on.
Stan has spent more time on CTE/ProOne than anyone.
So this is the contest I propose. You go to Stan's house and we set up a live stream. On that live stream we will toss out random shots and mark where the ball stops. Each player will have as many tries as they need to make the object ball go into all possible pockets.
Whoever makes the most shots in the least amount of tries wins.
I will sponsor a $1000 prize to the winner. You guys go at it until it's clear who wins.
The rest of us can watch it happen live.
Whenever you are ready to do that let me know.
I'm not very interested in the arguing going on in this thread, but follow it anyways to hopefully get some CTE information. This is the Aiming forum after all.
My simple question was how come C right and A left both yeild different shots? what do you do differently for the straight in left pocket or the cross corner?
I will try to practice those shots and If I can make them with those visuals, it means I'm on the right track! BTW I enjoy your videos Gerry, keep them coming!
Please understand that THIS thread did not start out as an aiming thread. The conversation/argument turned towards aiming and one of the moderators moved it to the aiming section.
Gerry will answer you better than me but the answer to your question from my experience is that different perceptions lead to different body positions addressing the cue ball. This brings you to a different shot line for each perception/sweep combination. Sometimes there is overlap because on some shots which are directly to a pocket two adjacent perceptions will work equally well to pocket the ball.
I.e. if edge to A yields a straight in the edge to C drives the ball to the rail which could be a cross corner bank, could be a two railer or a three railer or a four railer depending on the lie of the balls.
And again!:smile:
Never said such a thing.
Your guys claims are what I've questioned.We wont rehash them.
And Im sure I'm not alone on that.:smile:
Twice I could've had your money but decided not to.
I will never agree to anything you say,you will always be on my terms.
My terms are...I will never have anything to do with you for now on.
You lack the brain cell's which give us common sense,not sure if there's a cure for it but lets just hope for your sakes there is.
Anthony
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Really understanding that A/C inside is the same as B outside is huge, imo.
When you have a shot that is B, but you aren't sure if it's outside sweep. Look at it from an A (left cut) or C (right cut), and see if you think it'll go with an inside sweep. If not, then the shot is going to be B inside.
When you have a shot that is B, but you aren't sure if it's outside sweep. Look at it from an A (left cut) or C (right cut), and see if you think it'll go with an inside sweep. If not, then the shot is going to be B inside.
The first 2 shots were true CTE perceptions - 2 lines.
The second time the shots were much thinner and needed a single line visual.
I will throw a video up later today showing what I mean.
Cheers,
Gerry
The second time the shots were much thinner and needed a single line visual.
I will throw a video up later today showing what I mean.
Cheers,
Gerry
What claims?
You said earlier in the thread you were upset that I was saying shots can be made easily that you spent countless hours on and that you feel cheated.
Then you reversed and said that figuring out a set shot is easy.
Which is it?
You didn't even duplicate the videos and yet you claim you could have had my money. Yes you made some great shots but I wouldn't expect anything less from a dedicated system user. Do I really need to go back over your posts and quote your words back to you?
Let me be as clear as possible.....
I don't care what you agree with or don't agree with. The reason I don't care is because you have no interest in actually helping anyone become a better player. All your posts are self-serving in my opinion.
I spent four days at Stan's house and he will verify that I was arguing with him using every naysayer point because I don't promote anything that I don't believe in and to believe in it I have to be convinced that it's solid. I challenged Stan with every shot I could that wasn't just flat out impossible. I didn't put the cue ball frozen in the middle of a cluster and say find a CTE aim for the six ball.
What I did was set up difficult cut shots which he drained easily from everywhere, "regular" shots were not even worth challenging him on. So that left banks. I put the balls in all the weird positions and challenged to prove to me that he could use ProOne to find the solution. In almost every case he could find solutions not only to bank it to one pocket but also to other pockets using multiple rails.
For a few shots there was not a CTE solution and in that case he would say that he would need to rely on experience and judgement to feel his way through the shot. Some he would hit first try and others took a couple tries. But the end result is that I was convinced that what he shows us on video is NOT a trick in any way and certainly not "easy" for a feel shooter.
So for me the facts are clear. For most of the shots a player will face there IS a ProOne solution to aim it correctly. Which means that it IS a shortcut over pure guessing. And it means less time spent figuring out the shots and more time spent on figuring the correct speed and spin.
So again, if you want to go head to head with Stan on his table for $1000 in a live demonstration all you have to do is make the date and I will pay you if you beat him in a live random shot competition.
I posted the video's and tried my best to duplicate them.:wink:
I've also tried to help somewhere on this forum about aiming.
The thing is aiming is about deflection ,speed ,distance,spin . and maybe a few more things.It's self learned .It cant be taught with word's.(you wouldn't know that):wink:
You ever have a conversation with someone and you start talking about shit you know nothing about and find yourself saying shit you normally wouldn't say??I have no doubt a lot of people have experienced that after chatting with you.:wink:
This is a clear case of arguing with an idiot. You've brought me down to your level and beat me with experience. Thanks
I give
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I posted the video's and tried my best to duplicate.:wink:
I've also tried to help somewhere on this forum about aiming.
The thing is aiming is about deflection ,speed ,distance,spin . and maybe a few more things.It's self learned .It cant be taught with word's.(you wouldn't know that):wink:
You ever have a conversation with someone and you start talking about shit you know nothing about and find yourself saying shit you normally wouldn't say??I have no doubt a lot of people have experienced that after chatting with you.:wink:
This is a clear case of arguing with an idiot. You've brought me down to your level and beat me with experience. Thanks
I give
Um, we have said all along that it's difficult to teach this aiming with words on here. That still didn't stop some people from using words to claim that those system don't work. But it's not self-taught, the first time anyone shows another person how to aim then they are teaching, the first time a person reads a book or watches a video on aiming then they are learning. It's not all trial and error.
Something like CTE/ProOne comes from deliberate conscious effort to develop it. Learning it also requires effort. You don't stumble on it by accident and through hitting a million balls. The fact is that you can't accept that this IS a shortcut to aiming and that this shortcut ALLOWS the user to have a key to almost all shots.
Aiming is about pointing the cue at the cue ball down a line. Deflection is only relevant with sidespin and then it's about how much if at all to offset off the no-spin line.
Speed is only relevant for throw and cling and this is part of the execution of the shot not the aiming of it. Aiming right does not guarantee I will make the shot. Aiming wrong does not guarantee I will miss it.
But aiming right certainly improves my odds of making it.
You might know what you are talking about but you certainly don't show it by how you talk and write on here. You act as if you are the only one who has thought about this topic over the years. As for helping others, I have seen very very very little from you that is clearly geared towards helping others. Most of it seems to be you showing off that you can make shots without any explanation.
Gerry and Stan and myself and others try to explain the process to the viewer when we do our videos. You appear more interested in showing off yours with artsy editing to make them seem gritty in some way. You have posted some clips from instructional videos (copyright violations by the way) that are somewhat helpful but then those aren't your advice.
As for calling me an idiot, you're probably right. Still though, even an idiot sometimes knows enough to get by. Even an idiot can sometimes follow instructions and get consistent results. This idiot knows what he knows and it's enough to know that you are not being correct and probably not being truthful.
TheThaiger
Banned
You wanna argue and call me a liar.There is something seriously wrong with you.
Hopefully its just this aiming stuff that makes you go over the edge.
If not ,life is the teacher.
Have you ever thought about yoga,ballet or tap dancing?Could help release some of that stress that is shining out in your words.
Wait, I know what it is...the up coming match has put you under a lot of pressure.
These special systems you know just seem to be working to slow for you.These video producing aiming guys sure make it look easy....whats wrong with me.
Please dont give up johnny.....it takes time.
Who knows you mite like it and have yourself a 5th hobby.
Hobbies
1.arguing
2 know it all.
3. N SW
4.LYING
5 tap dancing.
I just found your problem...you spend to much time doing the first 4 and not enough time one your game.:thumbup:
Just kidding about the hobbies johnny....your perfect,and I hope I grow up and be just like you.
Anthony
Ballerina Barton. Good god.
Wait until I am on stage.
Maybe best start a new thread, say call it "Pro One Help".
This thread is really just another bash John Barton thread.
What I don't understand is the moderators overlooking this constant "hounding". I don't think John reports the "attackers" that are constantly pushing his buttons and hope to get him angry enough to respond in kind to their ad hominem attacks.
JoeyA
Trust me Joey, any reporting I do is likely to get posted by Wilson as he has done a couple times.
I have reported the posts a few times for racial comments and had Wilson post my report AND defend the guy who posted the racial remarks.
Hard to survive in a hostile environment but I adapt ;-)
I would like to apologize for my comments,I'll be honest it's hard to take some of the things people say on here lightly.Our different views on things seem to turn into a slug fest of words rather fast. Whats the answer when someone puts your character on the line? Do you defend yourself or walk away from it.It's just to easy to say the wrong thing's.I did and I apologize.
Anthony
Anthony
I feel the same way Anthony. As you know I have always admired your skill. We both said things that are harsh and I think in the end we do agree more than we disagree.
My apologies as well.
John
Well there are those who believe in an aiming system. More to the point the believe in CTE PRO ONE. They have taken an incredible amount of time to learn the system. They stand by the system. They believe it works. Now someone who may or may not have even tried the system or any other system. Comes in an attacks their belief. Kinda like telling someone there is no GOD. Your attacking someones belief. Who is right and who is wrong really isn't the issue. The issue is the attack and to what motivation. There are several types of people. Two specific are those who choose to attack someones belief and those who chose not to.
The thing is unlike proving God exists an aiming system is easily demonstrated. This happened to me in Olathe a few weeks ago. Couple guys were putting up shots and saying well show me how to aim this one....and I drain it....how about this bank...and I drain it.....how about this three railer....and I drain it....
This is real, it's tangible. The results are real. I don't just say I feel like the balls are going in, the balls go in. Any halfway decent player knows if they are making more shots or not. They know if their ability to make tougher shots has increased or not because the table tells them that.
So for us it's not a question of belief or faith. That's how the opposition wants to paint it as if it's all mass delusion and they attack on that vector.
Anyway, it is what it is and fortunately a lot less than it used to be. Regardless of what is said the table doesn't lie and the demonstrations shown on YouTube are repeatable on demand live. Anyone can learn to aim this way and experience it for themselves.