Lou wants more
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I think that neither player wants to give the other player what they want. John wanted to raise the bet Lou said no, Lou wanted to raise the bet John said no. I think they both want to dictate the action, I'm not sure if either side really wants to play for more. I also think this match is going to happen for sure neither one would want to give the other the pleasure of saying they chickened out, and your losing 3k anyway so really it's your 7k against 13k, pot odds say to call. That's how I see it anyway.
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Ok, but what if John played for the 10 grand at Derby city, Lou could have got that plus the 3 grand show up money. I don't see not playing then playing into Lou's hand. All I see is Lou's hand shaking and him needing time to try and calm his nerves.
With John screaming to bet more Lou could have taken a lot more than 10 grand at Derby and still get the 3 grand if John doesn't show.
You keep saying that John won't bet more but all he really said is that he will discuss it at Sandcastle. John's a very busy man right now.
If JB decides to bet more. He should only do it if it is Lou's money. There are lots of backers with money and John should not have to take all of them on alone. There is no clear favorite from what I can see. I could see where 10 backers vs. 1 player could put the squeeze on a player. John $10000 is plenty and will prove to be more than enough in the end. Don't get in over your head. Only worry about playing Lou. You need to win before any amount of money has meaning.
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This is soooooo f*cking stupid. If JB thinks he can win then why would he give a shit where the money comes from?
This guy is to all consumed with dislike for John to even let what John wrote yesterday
sink in. (The fact that John said they could stack it at Sandcastle on Tuesday)
LOL
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Originally Posted by Poolplaya9 View Post------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> NOBODY DID -V-V-V-V-V- JOHN SAID WAIT
Nobody that believes they are the favorite, and has a chance to win another extra 10k, is going to play games and turn it down and then hope that they guy will still be willing to bet that extra 10k a week later on game day. That's dumb. When you are literally begging and screaming for a larger bet, and the other guy finally accepts, you are going to jump on it before they have a chance to change their mind--IF you were asking for the larger bet because you actually did think you were the favorite and were trying to maximize your winnings. Which is what John has proclaimed was the case time and time again.
But actions speak louder than words, and all John's actions say he was just trying to high roll Lou and get in his head--he never really wanted to bet 20k with Lou and figured Lou would end up saying no, and if he didn't (which is what happened), then he would just use some dumb excuse to back out like "I'm not going to jump through hoops and let him dictate..."
As for why Lou didn't play John at the Derby, it is pretty obvious and common sense and Neil already covered it perfectly in a post above. If Lou thinks he can beat John at pool, then by not playing at Derby Lou will win 10k when they play their scheduled match next week.
But if Lou decided to play John at the Derby and won say 2k, then John would just forfeit his 3k no show money for their match next week and not play because he then knows he can't win and doesn't want to lose all 10k. And now Lou only has 5k (the 2k from Derby and 3k no show money), instead of the 10k he will win by just not playing at Derby and waiting for their match.
As Neil said, it would only make sense for Lou to play John at the Derby if they could have played for at least 7k, something that just probably wasn't possible for a number of reasons. And even playing for 7k may not have made sense because by waiting the extra time until the match next week gives more time for John to decide to play for even more than 10k. Not that John would do that, unless he changes his mind. He has now clearly shown with actions that he has no interest in betting more than 10k with Lou and that it was just a high roll move.
Originally posted by cookie man:
With John screaming to bet more Lou could have taken a lot more than 10 grand at Derby and still get the 3 grand if John doesn't show.
You keep saying that John won't bet more but all he really said is that he will discuss it at Sandcastle. John's a very busy man right now.
sink in. (The fact that John said they could stack it at Sandcastle on Tuesday)
LOL
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Originally Posted by Poolplaya9 View Post------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> NOBODY DID -V-V-V-V-V- JOHN SAID WAIT
Nobody that believes they are the favorite, and has a chance to win another extra 10k, is going to play games and turn it down and then hope that they guy will still be willing to bet that extra 10k a week later on game day. That's dumb. When you are literally begging and screaming for a larger bet, and the other guy finally accepts, you are going to jump on it before they have a chance to change their mind--IF you were asking for the larger bet because you actually did think you were the favorite and were trying to maximize your winnings. Which is what John has proclaimed was the case time and time again.
But actions speak louder than words, and all John's actions say he was just trying to high roll Lou and get in his head--he never really wanted to bet 20k with Lou and figured Lou would end up saying no, and if he didn't (which is what happened), then he would just use some dumb excuse to back out like "I'm not going to jump through hoops and let him dictate..."
As for why Lou didn't play John at the Derby, it is pretty obvious and common sense and Neil already covered it perfectly in a post above. If Lou thinks he can beat John at pool, then by not playing at Derby Lou will win 10k when they play their scheduled match next week.
But if Lou decided to play John at the Derby and won say 2k, then John would just forfeit his 3k no show money for their match next week and not play because he then knows he can't win and doesn't want to lose all 10k. And now Lou only has 5k (the 2k from Derby and 3k no show money), instead of the 10k he will win by just not playing at Derby and waiting for their match.
As Neil said, it would only make sense for Lou to play John at the Derby if they could have played for at least 7k, something that just probably wasn't possible for a number of reasons. And even playing for 7k may not have made sense because by waiting the extra time until the match next week gives more time for John to decide to play for even more than 10k. Not that John would do that, unless he changes his mind. He has now clearly shown with actions that he has no interest in betting more than 10k with Lou and that it was just a high roll move.
Originally posted by cookie man:
With John screaming to bet more Lou could have taken a lot more than 10 grand at Derby and still get the 3 grand if John doesn't show.
You keep saying that John won't bet more but all he really said is that he will discuss it at Sandcastle. John's a very busy man right now.
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Which only proves that we nailed it. If John really did want to raise it, he would already know that and only have to happily say "yes". Instead, he comes up with the excuse that he is too busy now. Which takes a lot longer to say than saying yes does. What he really said, is "oh crap, I have to think about this for a while, and I'm too busy to think about it right now, I'll let you know later".
I couldn't agree less, this post makes no sense at all to me.
Well, if you don't get it, you don't get it. Maybe try thinking in terms of the "long con" instead of the short hustle.???
The strange thing about the re-raise with no call, but with the possibility
of betting more on site......is...
..Why would anybody expect a man to carry an extra $15,000 IN CASE
he MIGHT get faded?
However, I don't want to have too much to say...there is no pressure on me.
But I do hope that John and Lou can shake hands after the match....
....I think they're BOTH showing a lot of heart here.
of betting more on site......is...
..Why would anybody expect a man to carry an extra $15,000 IN CASE
he MIGHT get faded?
However, I don't want to have too much to say...there is no pressure on me.
But I do hope that John and Lou can shake hands after the match....
....I think they're BOTH showing a lot of heart here.
The odd part is that this all started over aiming systems. And in reality, whichever one wins proves nothing about the effectiveness of any aiming system. Aiming is only one part of the game, and you are only testing one user.
John has claimed a billion times he is positive he will win, and his reason for asking to bet 20k was to maximize how much he was going to win.
So think this out as if it were you. There is a guy at the pool hall you are positive you can beat, but you two have never managed to make a game in all the years the both of you have barked at each other back and forth. Finally one day when you bark at him to play for x amount on such and such date a few months down the road, and he agrees to it.
But after thinking about it, you decide you want to play for an amount that is twice as much (2x) because you know you are only going to get to play this guy once in your life since you dislike each other, and you want to make it count and win as much as you possibly can off of him the one and only time you are going to ever play.
So the next time you see him you tell him you want to make the bet for 2x, twice the amount you have previously agreed on. He doesn't give you an answer to your offer to play for 2x. So every time you see him for the next few months leading up to your match date, you bark and bark, and beg and plead, and prob and probe, and insult and push and try every which way you can to get him to play for 2x, but he more or less just ignores you and you never get an answer.
Finally after years of barking at him, and after months of pushing for him to up the bet to 2x every time you see him so you can win more money off him in your one and only match, he finally answers you and says "sure, I'll play for 2x."
You mean to tell me you would really say well let me think about it some, I'll still play for x, but for 2x I will have to thing about it. You are full of dump truck loads of bullsh!t if you try to claim that you, or anyone else in the world would really do this.
What you would do is snap jump on that offer and accept it so fast it made his head spin. You wouldn't want to risk him changing his mind after all that. Use some logic dude.
The only reason someone wouldn't snap call it after all that is if they weren't really trying to up the bet, but just trying to get in their opponents head. And when the opponent agreed to the 2x, now you have to think about it to see what you really want to do because you never were very confident about your chances, so you want to wait until match day to see how confident you feel that day, see how well you are hitting the balls that day, see how well your opponent is playing when he warms up and how confident he looks, and then ultimately make a decision about whether you really want to bet more or not.
Well we will see shortly who is right, it may open the eyes of some.
Recent post in the Action Forum:
Originally Posted by lfigueroa
My money is solid for $25K. Apparently JB's... not so much.
John’s Reply:
I don't need a backer son. Be careful what you wish for. The money is only coupons. The beating you are going to get is what you will take to your grave.
-----------------------------> Let's Get Ready To Rumble <---------------------------
Poolplaya9 ------------> Like a broken record -------> the same thing over and over...
Recent post in the Action Forum:
Originally Posted by lfigueroa
My money is solid for $25K. Apparently JB's... not so much.
John’s Reply:
I don't need a backer son. Be careful what you wish for. The money is only coupons. The beating you are going to get is what you will take to your grave.
-----------------------------> Let's Get Ready To Rumble <---------------------------
Poolplaya9 ------------> Like a broken record -------> the same thing over and over...
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And you are stuck hanging so far up the backside of a nut sack that you can't see out to see (it's called bias) that nobody in the world who hates someone, knows that they can beat them, knows that they will only ever get one chance to play them and wants to maximize how much they are going win off them, nobody in the world is going to say "well we will discuss it at match time" when that person finally agrees to double the bet like you have been barking at them to do for months so you can win more.
Only bias accounts for a belief that silly and ludicrous.
The only reason to "think about it" is because you aren't confident at all, were mostly just trying to get in their head, and now need to figure out what your next move should be. If it was really about knowing you would win and wanting to win more money, you will snap call it 100% of the time before they can change their mind.
And for the record, I don't dislike John. I don't know John. I don't always agree with everything he believes, or says, or does, but I don't dislike him. It's just that I'm not afraid to point out the elephant in the room, whether someone else's bias allows them to see the elephant or not. I tell it like it is.
