The difference, Tim, is that I never said that I think John has a good stroke or good form.-Sean
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The difference, Tim, is that I never said that I think John has a good stroke or good form.-Sean
-Sean
But you did say that John's problem would not be with technique, it would be mental, right?
I seem to remember John asking me why I thought he would lose since I'm always preaching the mental game and he felt mentally stronger than ever. I responded by saying the overall performance is affected by mental qualities along with knowledge and skill with at least two of which I feel he is outclassed.To which, if I am remembering correctly, you replied that John's skill and knowledge would not be a problem and you alluded to John having a specific mental issue that would give him trouble, but you did not want to mention it at the time.
I think that was you wasn't it?
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lol, why would I need to do that?
No, that wasn't me. I did say that I thought his biggest problem would be focus issues (related to the fact that John isn't known for focus-longevity games like 14.1 or one pocket and prefers short-rack rotation almost exclusively), but I never said that he didn't have stroke/delivery issues, nor did I say (or allude to) anything related to his form being adequate (or anything of the sort). Even John himself would tell you that I have mentioned the form issue to him personally. I use and advocate snooker fundamentals -- how can I ever say that pool form and technique is adequate?
You must be quoting someone else. Or, like Tim, you're trying to shove words in my mouth.
-Sean
I don't know Sean. I think you sort of implied that you thought his stroke would be adequate.
I was kind of wondering at the time what you were referring to that's why I remembered the post.
Here's the post in question:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=4593991&postcount=98
Yea that's the one I was thinking of. In fairness to Sean he did say "Other than flaws in fundamentals" which I did not remember being in the post.
Thanks BasementDweller
Sean was 100% correct. The problem was wetware not hardware. Yes I played like a donkey but the real reason was that I was incredibly hyper and carrying too much mental baggage into the match.
That does nothing to diminish the point of this thread which showcases the Center to Edge system through videos by the serious students of the game.
Just because I played poorly doesn't invalidate the aiming method. As we have said and as I have said aiming is only one component of playing. And my match clearly shows that fact. Aiming doesn't help much WHEN the stoke is wonky, when the body movement is all over the place, and when the head is not in the game.
You can be lined up dead perfect and dog it. That's what happened to me. A lot.
But.
I also came with a lot of shots as well. All the tough banks I made were lined up with CTE and luckily I was able to drain them because I was able to stroke well enough. I look at this match much differently knowing that I didn't use the tools I have to the best of my ability. IF I had been able to get my mind and my stroke settled then I can promise all of you the match would have looked very different.
As it is playing like a complete donkey I came out three games loser after 10 hours of play.
Given that a rising tide lifts ALL BOATS - center to edge aiming helps donkeys like me AND is a really deadly weapon for any serious student of the game who has the discipline and mental strength to have the other aspects of the game down when they use ProOne/CTE.
I will come back with another offer to play at some point. I learned my lesson on several levels and there is no way that I will allow this to be the last chapter. I said many times I am the worst poster boy for ProOne CTE but I am the ONLY one that Lou would play. For now obvious reasons. But the fact is that after ten hours we were three games apart and I practically gave him a three game spot to start the set and sold out multiple times in EVERY game we played including the ones that I won.
So no, of course this doesn't settle the aiming debate. Only each player can settle that for themselves on the pool table. CTE/ProOne, 90/90, and other methods EXIST whether you believe in them or not, they are tangible methods that are there for anyone to try and decide for themselves whether to adopt them or not.
I will continue to be a cheerleader for them as I have always been and continue to point folks towards the serious players who demonstrate these methods expertly.
That does nothing to diminish the point of this thread which showcases the Center to Edge system through videos by the serious students of the game.
Just because I played poorly doesn't invalidate the aiming method. As we have said and as I have said aiming is only one component of playing. And my match clearly shows that fact. Aiming doesn't help much WHEN the stoke is wonky, when the body movement is all over the place, and when the head is not in the game.
You can be lined up dead perfect and dog it. That's what happened to me. A lot.
But.
I also came with a lot of shots as well. All the tough banks I made were lined up with CTE and luckily I was able to drain them because I was able to stroke well enough. I look at this match much differently knowing that I didn't use the tools I have to the best of my ability. IF I had been able to get my mind and my stroke settled then I can promise all of you the match would have looked very different.
As it is playing like a complete donkey I came out three games loser after 10 hours of play.
Given that a rising tide lifts ALL BOATS - center to edge aiming helps donkeys like me AND is a really deadly weapon for any serious student of the game who has the discipline and mental strength to have the other aspects of the game down when they use ProOne/CTE.
I will come back with another offer to play at some point. I learned my lesson on several levels and there is no way that I will allow this to be the last chapter. I said many times I am the worst poster boy for ProOne CTE but I am the ONLY one that Lou would play. For now obvious reasons. But the fact is that after ten hours we were three games apart and I practically gave him a three game spot to start the set and sold out multiple times in EVERY game we played including the ones that I won.
So no, of course this doesn't settle the aiming debate. Only each player can settle that for themselves on the pool table. CTE/ProOne, 90/90, and other methods EXIST whether you believe in them or not, they are tangible methods that are there for anyone to try and decide for themselves whether to adopt them or not.
I will continue to be a cheerleader for them as I have always been and continue to point folks towards the serious players who demonstrate these methods expertly.
John, if you just spend the same amount of time you did on trying to quickly learn one pocket, on your stroke, you will be amazed at what it will do for your game. I agree, CTE did save your butt on a number of shots. But, your stroke killed the others.
TheThaiger
Banned
The reason for that? Crawfishing.
John, I offered, on at least two occasions, to modify the challenge to an ahead set and you refused or did not respond to both.
BTW, it warms the cockles of my heart (and Mike's) that you want another go
Lou Figueroa
you go
It's all I play nowadays. I haven't played much else in years, since moving to St. Louis, since that's all anyone will play here. I believe John knew that if he wanted to play me it'd have to be 1pocket.
Lou Figueroa
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John, I offered, on at least two occasions, to modify the challenge to an ahead set and you refused or did not respond to both.
BTW, it warms the cockles of my heart (and Mike's) that you want another go
Lou Figueroa
you go
It's ok. Past is past. When I am ready we will make a game. Seeing that you are willing I am willing to go for a much larger amount. I paid the first ten to get all the baggage out of my system.
TheThaiger
Banned
Delusion. Players with stronger fundamentals, players with straight strokes and stable stances, players who stay down on the shot, always seem to "dog" less shots than those without. You seem to jump up on the shot whether you are hyper or not, you also chicken wing every shot. That's not mental. That's an issue with your mechanics.
How do you know you're lined up perfectly?
I do agree, though, with the sentiment that your loss proves nothing about your aiming system, one way or another. Anybody watching you play could see why you lost.