A nice post, Joey, but don't think we're done. :smile: It's been awhile since you've imparted any wisdom to us mere mortals. I'd be interested in your research, if you feel like feeding the fish.
Best,
Mike
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A nice post, Joey, but don't think we're done. :smile: It's been awhile since you've imparted any wisdom to us mere mortals. I'd be interested in your research, if you feel like feeding the fish.
Best,
Mike
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Just think, if it were moved to the "Aiming" forum, all you'd have to deal with is Duckie, for the most part. Some "people" could bump "their" sales "pitches" every day "or" two. You could even have a designated marketing person say that they agree with everything and that you'll become a world beater. Not sure if anybody heard, but there was a match about a month ago between a profound supporter and a questioner. I'm still awaiting proof of a certain "aiming system" that's claimed, by it's seller, to be geometrically attached to the table. Yeah, like that'll happen..
There's a reason I have those people on ignore. You can't even take them seriously because they're so involved in the sale first and sense later. Then you have the same 4 or 5 people jumping around, screaming, "Hater!" and other stupid things without even trying to respond to any of the questions/complaints.
I'll stick to improving my own way, regardless of the fact that I'm unable to aim.
There's a reason I have those people on ignore. You can't even take them seriously because they're so involved in the sale first and sense later. Then you have the same 4 or 5 people jumping around, screaming, "Hater!" and other stupid things without even trying to respond to any of the questions/complaints.
I'll stick to improving my own way, regardless of the fact that I'm unable to aim.
I think I read somewhere that there is a national shortage of blue ink. Same thing happened to the Soviet newspapers back in the early 90's. Almost shut 'em down.
Lou Figueroa
Just think, if it were moved to the "Aiming" forum, all you'd have to deal with is Duckie, for the most part. Some "people" could bump "their" sales "pitches" every day "or" two. You could even have a designated marketing person say that they agree with everything and that you'll become a world beater. Not sure if anybody heard, but there was a match about a month ago between a profound supporter and a questioner. I'm still awaiting proof of a certain "aiming system" that's claimed, by it's seller, to be geometrically attached to the table. Yeah, like that'll happen..
There's a reason I have those people on ignore. You can't even take them seriously because they're so involved in the sale first and sense later. Then you have the same 4 or 5 people jumping around, screaming, "Hater!" and other stupid things without even trying to respond to any of the questions/complaints.
I'll stick to improving my own way, regardless of the fact that I'm unable to aim.
Careful.....you never know where I will be next....... I just know when and where to speak my mind and know when to let it go
Mike,
It probably wouldn't interest most of the people in this thread but send me your email address via PM and I will share one "secret" I've learned about TOI.
JoeyA
Geez, Neil...lighten up. All we'd like to do is to be able to discuss TOI and other things CJ has put out there, without being called delusional. Remember the CTE wars?
I understand the physics and have thought about what CJ is saying. I didn't do it because he's a world champ. I took it to the table, regardless of who said it and saw the merit in the techniques. I added some speed to my game.
Because CJ is no Bob Jewett or Dr. Dave, he speaks in common terms that need to be related to the science of the game. I don't take what he says like a paper from MIT, but I translate it into real world terms by experimenting on my own.
If I don't understand his instruction and can't make a connection, it doesn't mean he's handing me bad info. I put it on a shelf for later and try to look at it from a different perspective as I gain more knowledge. Sometimes you have to read something several times and work with it before it makes sense. You know that from CTE/Pro ONE and 90/90, etc. When it clicks, it's an eye opener.
I, for one, would rather have you translating this stuff with me than against me. Throwing up your hands because of the way CJ's instructions strike you, is bad for everybody. We go round and round. Why not decipher and discover things to make our games a touch (pun intended) better?
Just a thought.
Best,
Mike
No you don't.
Tell everyone at Buffalo "HI" for me
Of course It's natural that we all have to hear new concepts differently, and also be willing to put down our "old ideas" or our perceptions/paradigms will not change (no matter how elegant or sophisticated the verbiage).
Hey there Joey....sorry about my "friend," he gets a bit carried away at times.
It was cool seeing you down at Buffalo Billiards, sorry I was "preoccupied" and couldn't talk much...I'll definitely catch up with you on that lesson next time we're in the same city.
Tell everyone at Buffalo "HI" for me, I think my welcome was worn out a bit quick playing that first night - maybe there's another game that can be matched up one of these days before I get to old to play anymore.:wink:
Hope you're doing well, sounds like we can compare notes on some advanced TOI....that's the beauty of learning this type system, it leads each practitioner to some cool discoveries on our own - it's like learning to play a musical instrument, at first you must learn the basics, then we're free to create our own style of "music". 'The TOI Game is the Teacher'
Of course It's natural that we all have to hear new concepts differently, and also be willing to put down our "old ideas" or our perceptions/paradigms will not change (no matter how elegant or sophisticated the verbiage).
Hey there Joey....sorry about my "friend," he gets a bit carried away at times.
It was cool seeing you down at Buffalo Billiards, sorry I was "preoccupied" and couldn't talk much...I'll definitely catch up with you on that lesson next time we're in the same city.
Tell everyone at Buffalo "HI" for me, I think my welcome was worn out a bit quick playing that first night - maybe there's another game that can be matched up one of these days before I get to old to play anymore.:wink:
Hope you're doing well, sounds like we can compare notes on some advanced TOI....that's the beauty of learning this type system, it leads each practitioner to some cool discoveries on our own - it's like learning to play a musical instrument, at first you must learn the basics, then we're free to create our own style of "music". 'The TOI Game is the Teacher'
Neil,
Are you trying to out insult CJ with your insults to me?Your kind of insults is what gets people barred from AZ Billiards. :thud::shrug: Don't worry, I won't report you. You've got enough baggage without me dumping on you.
Look, I know you and CJ have a "history" and while CJ's motivation on posting in this forum is selling DVD's and online instruction, it doesn't bother me a bit if he doesn't use your pool acumen to express himself. I'm a big boy and if I don't know what he's talking about, I can ask him to explain it another way and I'm sure he will. I might have to buy another DVD but that's not going to kill me either. And if he uses some zen message to express himself, maybe that will hit home to some of us.
I would prefer CJ in the Main Forum, warts and all.
Live and let live Neil. It's the way of the new world order.
JoeyA
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Mike,
It probably wouldn't interest most of the people in this thread but send me your email address via PM and I will share one "secret" I've learned about TOI.
JoeyA
You mean CJ's holding out on us? :grin: There's more?
Best,
Mike
CJ,
It would be nice to see you again before you and I both get too old to play.
All I know is what I saw with my own two eyes but I won't say what I saw as it just wouldn't be right for a couple of different reasons.
Buffalo Billiards is the place for you to come back and visit. It made me REAL EYES that there is more to pool than what you read in a book or see on a video OR read about on a pool forum. We'll just have to find you a game that you have a CHANCE at winning.
(Maybe some one pocket......:winknudge
See you soon.
JoeyA
TOI, is not a flashy way to play, but who cares, it is the result that counts. You just don't have to move the cue ball very much for position. I played a buddy last night, and he said, man were you getting the rolls tonight, you didn't have any hard shots. LOL
"we only recognize what we're familiar with" - TOI is the sample example
Life gets truly amazing when we, Joey, see with our "real eyes" what's been there all along.......it's all about perceptual calibration.
"We only recognize what we're familiar with" - I have a friend that used to say "I don't just believe in miracles, I expect them".....and such is life.
'Our Perception is our Teacher'
Life gets truly amazing when we, Joey, see with our "real eyes" what's been there all along.......it's all about perceptual calibration.
"We only recognize what we're familiar with" - I have a friend that used to say "I don't just believe in miracles, I expect them".....and such is life.
'Our Perception is our Teacher'
CJ,
It would be nice to see you again before you and I both get too old to play.
All I know is what I saw with my own two eyes but I won't say what I saw as it just wouldn't be right for a couple of different reasons.
Buffalo Billiards is the place for you to come back and visit. It made me REAL EYES that there is more to pool than what you read in a book or see on a video OR read about on a pool forum. We'll just have to find you a game that you have a CHANCE at winning.
(Maybe some one pocket......:winknudge
See you soon.
JoeyA
the younger generation excited about Toi
We've got the younger generation excited about Toi on a world-wide level.
We've got the younger generation excited about Toi on a world-wide level.
^^^ This, as I said earlier in this thread, this is the way I was taught to play by my old man who was a hardened road agent in the 50's and 60's. it's not a flashy way to play which is its true beauty, you don't garner much attention but you get out regularly and effortlessly & the lack of flashy shots makes that possible & still being able to fly under the radar. It seems a lot of people want to label this as an aiming system but it isn't. It's learning to be tough to beat because most of your shots are the same, using all 3 zones of the pocket and not moving the ball much and using position zones and most importantly once you learn to use deflection you learn it's not something to avoid but something to embrace and use to your advantage using those pocket zones. Not much flash but always getting the cash.
Why am I the Colonel? Because I always get the chicken
TOI in the finals of a major tournament in Texas, and won 17 games in a row!!!
That's correct, when I was "stalling" with someone I'd alway use the conventional method and spin the cue ball.....however, when the money got "right," I'd convert to the TOI and start beating my opponent nearly every game. I used TOI in the finals of a major tournament in Texas, and won 17 games in a row!!! (this was against Roger Griffis, another top pro that had won a major ESPN tournament).
TOI is a powerful way to play, and the biggest test is the willingness to change. Sometimes it's more comfortable to keep playing the way that feels "natural" than to make changes that can dramatically increase your level of play.....this is just human nature and the one obstacle we all have to deal with in our own way........or not. 'The TOI Game is the Teacher'
That's correct, when I was "stalling" with someone I'd alway use the conventional method and spin the cue ball.....however, when the money got "right," I'd convert to the TOI and start beating my opponent nearly every game. I used TOI in the finals of a major tournament in Texas, and won 17 games in a row!!! (this was against Roger Griffis, another top pro that had won a major ESPN tournament).
TOI is a powerful way to play, and the biggest test is the willingness to change. Sometimes it's more comfortable to keep playing the way that feels "natural" than to make changes that can dramatically increase your level of play.....this is just human nature and the one obstacle we all have to deal with in our own way........or not. 'The TOI Game is the Teacher'
I was going to wait and reply to this next week but I will go ahead now.
I won one of the free copies of the DVDs. Thanks Cj!
Here is what I know about TOI. Let me give you some background on my pool playing first. When I grew up I shot pool on a pool table my buddy's dad had in thier basement. Then when we got our drivers liscense and started going to the pool hall. I really struggled making any shot except for when I would get on a hot streak. The hot streaks didn't last very long though where I am left eye dominant and shoot right handed. I figured this out when I started duck hunting. Some days I hit everything and some days I missed evrything. Then i figured out the eye thing. So back then all I ever did was shoot slop and hang out with my buddies for the most part. Then I quit playing for a long time until this past Christmas when we were on vacation and they had a pool table where we where staying. That started me back up except this time I wanted to be decent. We got a really cheap bar box in the basemment and have played once a week since then as a famaly. I play on it some when I get a chance by myself.
Now on to TOI. I have been working 70 hours a week and have not had a lot of time to pratice it a lot. Got my days off next week thoughh and will have more. I have a good stroke. I had my daughter video tape me so I could watch it to make sure I wasn't just doing everything wrong thinking I was looking good. I still couldn't make balls with any consitency at all. I mean I was terrible. I tried evry thing on here and evry thing on youtube. Remember I have been pratcing since Christmas of last year. Then I started reading the TOI threads on here. I started useing that and started making balls. Useing TOI when I start the shot and then get down on it everything just looks right! Yesterday I ran seven balls on nine ball and the most for the whole year was five before that and it was a couple months back. I could actually feel the cue ball and I had a plan for the next shot. It was weird when I started feeling the cue ball. The hit sounded diferent and the shot looked a whole lot better.
I'm not saying that TOI is the only way because I believe lots of other people use other stuff that are really good. I am saying that with limited time it made somebody (me) who sucked really bad improve by at least 50 percent so far. Let's face it I will not ever be as good as the top players but I have a foundation that I can improve on now for the rest of my life. I enjoy playing the way because the shots look makeable to me and I feel like I will be competive.
Anyway thanks again for the system Cj and I hope this helps somebody like me.
I won one of the free copies of the DVDs. Thanks Cj!
Here is what I know about TOI. Let me give you some background on my pool playing first. When I grew up I shot pool on a pool table my buddy's dad had in thier basement. Then when we got our drivers liscense and started going to the pool hall. I really struggled making any shot except for when I would get on a hot streak. The hot streaks didn't last very long though where I am left eye dominant and shoot right handed. I figured this out when I started duck hunting. Some days I hit everything and some days I missed evrything. Then i figured out the eye thing. So back then all I ever did was shoot slop and hang out with my buddies for the most part. Then I quit playing for a long time until this past Christmas when we were on vacation and they had a pool table where we where staying. That started me back up except this time I wanted to be decent. We got a really cheap bar box in the basemment and have played once a week since then as a famaly. I play on it some when I get a chance by myself.
Now on to TOI. I have been working 70 hours a week and have not had a lot of time to pratice it a lot. Got my days off next week thoughh and will have more. I have a good stroke. I had my daughter video tape me so I could watch it to make sure I wasn't just doing everything wrong thinking I was looking good. I still couldn't make balls with any consitency at all. I mean I was terrible. I tried evry thing on here and evry thing on youtube. Remember I have been pratcing since Christmas of last year. Then I started reading the TOI threads on here. I started useing that and started making balls. Useing TOI when I start the shot and then get down on it everything just looks right! Yesterday I ran seven balls on nine ball and the most for the whole year was five before that and it was a couple months back. I could actually feel the cue ball and I had a plan for the next shot. It was weird when I started feeling the cue ball. The hit sounded diferent and the shot looked a whole lot better.
I'm not saying that TOI is the only way because I believe lots of other people use other stuff that are really good. I am saying that with limited time it made somebody (me) who sucked really bad improve by at least 50 percent so far. Let's face it I will not ever be as good as the top players but I have a foundation that I can improve on now for the rest of my life. I enjoy playing the way because the shots look makeable to me and I feel like I will be competive.
Anyway thanks again for the system Cj and I hope this helps somebody like me.
It's probably better not to totally understand TOI at first
I'm glad you're experiencing the benefits of the 'Touch of Inside' technique. Many players will not receive the immediate improvements simply because they're unwilling to change their current perspective .....willingness (to learn and practice new things) is essential no matter if you're a 2-7 in a league or an aspiring semi pro player.
It's probably better not to totally understand TOI before you go through the 3 hour experience....this way your mind will be more receptive to the new "inside dimension" and quickly....sometimes immediately you'll "real eyes" how powerful it is to have TOI in your "pool box". 'The TOI Game is the Teacher'
I'm glad you're experiencing the benefits of the 'Touch of Inside' technique. Many players will not receive the immediate improvements simply because they're unwilling to change their current perspective .....willingness (to learn and practice new things) is essential no matter if you're a 2-7 in a league or an aspiring semi pro player.
It's probably better not to totally understand TOI before you go through the 3 hour experience....this way your mind will be more receptive to the new "inside dimension" and quickly....sometimes immediately you'll "real eyes" how powerful it is to have TOI in your "pool box". 'The TOI Game is the Teacher'