Burl Wood

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Can a cue be made out of Burl wood, and still be a good playable cue? The reason I
ask, is the grain of the Burl, seems to be all over the place, where as the grain of a
lot of popular woods, seems to be more straight. Thanks for your help.
 
Sugartree cues are often made with burl woods such as Redwood and Hickory . They are known as great players.
 
All burl woods play softer. The wood is a product of natures imperfections or growth balls on the sides or bottom root areas of most trees. The wood by nature is weaker than the actual wood running through the trunk or main portion of the tree it grows off of. Yes you can core, you can stabilize, which does help, but the base product is weaker and will play softer than a solid wood counterpart. But it's pretty, people love to tell you how great they play and hit and how rare a burl wood cue is. Which ten years ago they would be correct on the rarity. But now a days people promote the beauty of the burls for personal gain, financially, not due to it playing well which would be false.
 
All burl woods play softer. The wood is a product of natures imperfections or growth balls on the sides or bottom root areas of most trees. The wood by nature is weaker than the actual wood running through the trunk or main portion of the tree it grows off of. Yes you can core, you can stabilize, which does help, but the base product is weaker and will play softer than a solid wood counterpart. But it's pretty, people love to tell you how great they play and hit and how rare a burl wood cue is. Which ten years ago they would be correct on the rarity. But now a days people promote the beauty of the burls for personal gain, financially, not due to it playing well which would be false.


Intriguing. On what research do you base your assessment of burls being softer? A rubber band is plenty strong, and obviously not a bit hard. So are hardness & strength really relative at all?

Take a resin stabilized buckeye burl and core it with bubinga. How might that cue hit? Now take a straight grain zebrawood & core it with maple. Will it hit as hard as the buckeye burl? So let's say you are a player that has both of these cues. Which cue would you tell people hit the hardest?

Straight grain rosewoods are easy. Any idiot can build an ok playing cue with straight grain cocobolo & straight maple, given that he at least knows how to open a bottle of glue. Does that make him an accomplished cue maker? Does that give him the credentials required to build a cue with burl, and it still hit that good? And when he tries it and fails, does it automatically mean that burls are not good for cues? Or can it be as simple as him not having the skills nor knowledge to pull it off? Is it the burl's fault for being an inferior material, or the builder's fault for being an inferior cue maker?

And don't forget about that soft woven fabric we all use every time we build a cue, in the way of melamine & phenolic. Or the powders that get melded into solid plastic rods & tubes. Even paper, as useless as it is for cues, makes the revered micarta that builders and players alike can't get enough of. Why is burl any different? It's an inanimate material that can be manipulated/altered into a material that is perfectly suited for cues. Burls don't make a cue play bad. Cue makers make a cue play bad. Good cue makers make a burl cue play good. Bad cue makers don't. Burl is nothing but another material. It's the builder who knows how to utilize it, or not.
 
If you have your choice between a plain/bland cue and a stunning beauty, which will you choose? Through intelligent design burls can be used. If a cue maker can make a cue easier to sell by making it prettier without reducing playability, he should because pretty cues sell better.
 
Intriguing. On what research do you base your assessment of burls being softer? A rubber band is plenty strong, and obviously not a bit hard. So are hardness & strength really relative at all?

Years of experience. Not sure where or what a rubber band has to do with the original question, but okay. I stated burls are softer,which they are, resin helps, which I stated. But hardness and strength depends on the construction and the materials. Man made materials are just that, man made, manipulated to perform a certain way by man. Not sure where you were trying to go with this rant. Burls are softer , actual fact. Anyone who knows or studies wood knows this. Hense the epoxy stabilizing. Would they do that if the wood was structurally sound, I think not. But sure it helps, epoxy resin is strong, burl in its original form is not. In all reality, the burl woods used in stabilizing are just the medium used to hold the resin in form. Basically you have a nice resin cue with pretty grain.(man made)
 
One of my best playing cues has a cored maple burl nose (full splice into macasar ebony). It has a wonderful hit and nice tone.

Dave
 
Years of experience.


How many years? Experience in what? Are you a cue maker? A sawyer, logger, timber broker, or what? Once more, from where do you draw these conclusions? Turns out experience is something I can relate to when it comes to lumber. I gather from your patronizing tone about my rubber band reference that you'd rather try to look smart instead of following a legitimate conversation through to conclusion. I'm not ranting, nor am I here to argue. I'm not the one who has a problem building solid cues from burls. If disagreeing with you and questioning your credentials is offensive, then maybe online forums aren't for you. But if you'd like to seriously converse the use of burl in cues, I'd be delighted to hear your thoughts, not complaints, and likewise would openly share my thoughts with you. You might find that I am maybe just a wee-bit "studied" in wood.
 
Intriguing. On what research do you base your assessment of burls being softer? A rubber band is plenty strong, and obviously not a bit hard. So are hardness & strength really relative at all?

Take a resin stabilized buckeye burl and core it with bubinga. How might that cue hit? Now take a straight grain zebrawood & core it with maple. Will it hit as hard as the buckeye burl? So let's say you are a player that has both of these cues. Which cue would you tell people hit the hardest?

Straight grain rosewoods are easy. Any idiot can build an ok playing cue with straight grain cocobolo & straight maple, given that he at least knows how to open a bottle of glue. Does that make him an accomplished cue maker? Does that give him the credentials required to build a cue with burl, and it still hit that good? And when he tries it and fails, does it automatically mean that burls are not good for cues? Or can it be as simple as him not having the skills nor knowledge to pull it off? Is it the burl's fault for being an inferior material, or the builder's fault for being an inferior cue maker?

And don't forget about that soft woven fabric we all use every time we build a cue, in the way of melamine & phenolic. Or the powders that get melded into solid plastic rods & tubes. Even paper, as useless as it is for cues, makes the revered micarta that builders and players alike can't get enough of. Why is burl any different? It's an inanimate material that can be manipulated/altered into a material that is perfectly suited for cues. Burls don't make a cue play bad. Cue makers make a cue play bad. Good cue makers make a burl cue play good. Bad cue makers don't. Burl is nothing but another material. It's the builder who knows how to utilize it, or not.

Eric, you made a great point, great cue makers know how to mix woods and materials that work with each other to perform (hit) good.
 
can a cue be made out of burl wood, and still be a good playable cue? The reason i
ask, is the grain of the burl, seems to be all over the place, where as the grain of a
lot of popular woods, seems to be more straight. Thanks for your help.
you can core it with some iron wood or purple hear works well i have some hornbeam works weel you cant get the good stuff i might have a few extra peices makes a hell of a good shaft
 
you can core it with some iron wood or purple hear works well i have some hornbeam works weel you cant get the good stuff i might have a few extra peices makes a hell of a good shaft

grammar grammar grammar grammar grammar, yeah?? ok
 
grammar grammar grammar grammar grammar, yeah?? ok

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Can a cue be made out of Burl wood, and still be a good playable cue? The reason I
ask, is the grain of the Burl, seems to be all over the place, where as the grain of a
lot of popular woods, seems to be more straight. Thanks for your help.

most cue makers would core the wood
 
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