Straight In Shots

Well if CJ wont come in and say it, I guess I will.... turn the straight in shots into touch of inside throws. Makes it easier to pocket straight in shots .... straight in is relative.

Lesh

This is actually the best way I know to learn to use TOI... You can learn what to expect from your shaft and the amount of inside doing this very thing... However if the player is not hitting the ball on the vertical axis on the straight ins there may be a small stroke error that needs to be addressed and it may cause the same misses using TOI..

For me to make them consistently I use center draw and focus on the contact point of the tip on the cueball if I am drawing the rock or stopping it or even letting it roll forward a bit... If I am trying to force the cueball offline I will use TOI and try and cheat the pocket entry slightly to the side opposite I am forcing the cueball... The TOI is harder to control as you are doing more with the shot so in this 1 instance it may not be best practice.. Especially if shape dictates the cueball needs to stay on the shot line and not move left or right.. I almost always end up with some movement offline on straight ins using TOI and it is a useful tool when the pocket is playing large....
 
The main thing is hit the center of the cue ball.
miss centerball= miss shot, go sit down for a while
I have shot thousands of these.

http://vimeo.com/39948210

If you gotta pivot or are married to toi, I don't think it is going to work here.
and you gotta stroke it straight.

this other video I just watched where he imagines two lines connecting both sides of the ball I have never considered. I'll give it a try tmrw.

And I admit, if the shot you see me make so many times in this video comes up in a game, I screwed something up, and not very happy about it.
steven
 
On a straight shot which side would be inside and which is outside?

You choose if it is truly straight in.. You will be aiming at one edge or the other of the pocket and using TOI to make it go into the other edge...

It's valid and makes some position plays a lot easier than cheating the pocket and using the center axis for some people but it has to be worked on be vigorously to be able to be that accurate in prediction the deflection...

You tend to also hit the shots firmer with the TOI or you get the swerve component.. Slower speeds enlarge the pocket on straight ins so I generally use the center draw approach.....
 
The main thing is hit the center of the cue ball.
miss centerball= miss shot, go sit down for a while
I have shot thousands of these.

http://vimeo.com/39948210

If you gotta pivot or are married to toi, I don't think it is going to work here.
and you gotta stroke it straight.

this other video I just watched where he imagines two lines connecting both sides of the ball I have never considered. I'll give it a try tmrw.

And I admit, if the shot you see me make so many times in this video comes up in a game, I screwed something up, and not very happy about it.
steven

Very good cuing there to be able to come close to centerball on the video.. Looks like even when the cueball has spin you likely only missed by a millimeter or so of center.....
 
You choose if it is truly straight in.. You will be aiming at one edge or the other of the pocket and using TOI to make it go into the other edge...

It's valid and makes some position plays a lot easier than cheating the pocket and using the center axis for some people but it has to be worked on be vigorously to be able to be that accurate in prediction the deflection...

You tend to also hit the shots firmer with the TOI or you get the swerve component.. Slower speeds enlarge the pocket on straight ins so I generally use the center draw approach.....

THAT, sounds complicated.
I would prefer, if I had a new person to teach, to have them just smash it in with centerball.
What could be more simple?
just to be sure, you said

"You choose if it is truly straight in"

we are only talking about a straight shot.
steven
 
THAT, sounds complicated.
I would prefer, if I had a new person to teach, to have them just smash it in with centerball.
What could be more simple?
just to be sure, you said

"You choose if it is truly straight in"

we are only talking about a straight shot.
steven

Truly straight in as in to the center of the pocket.. You could be straight in to the right side of the pocket so center pocket would be a slight cut to the left and therefore TOI would be left...

It's more complicated than center axis but can be mastered.. my percentages using centerball will definitely be higher but I do find times that I feel it's the right tool for the job......
 
It seems we are posting at the same time, Renfro.
thanks for the compliment.

I do believe there are other ways to pocket this particular ball. I have tried intentionally hitting left or right english and aiming away from the pocket. no good.
I once built a wooden slip on tip about two inches diameter, I thought no way to not hit center.
The ball still had enough spin to through it off.
and when I took the damn thing off it took my tip with it.
Oh well...

I learned this game long before the internet was invented.

there are so many aiming systems today it is a wonder a person ever misses a ball.
personally I would truly enjoy watching a person using some kind of toi, or cte, or pivot system hit about a hundred of these in a row.

yes, straight in to the center of the pocket.
I would really like to see it done any other way than just centerball. and I am not just saying that, I would like to see it done.
steven
 
Find the pivot point (bridge distance) of your shaft, aim CTC and stay down.........you'll make 85+% of straight-ins.

Mr 200, you have my interest, I have seen your videos.
if you have the time, make the video.

here we have a person using not only pivot, but ctc? I think that is center to center,
and is a damn fine pool player who has run over 200 in straight pool.

steven: would like to see a better way to pocket this ball.
 
It may seem odd but I grip the butt of the cue very tight. It seems to keep my stroke straight, I saw a video on line, tried it, works for me
 
The main thing is hit the center of the cue ball.
miss centerball= miss shot, go sit down for a while
I have shot thousands of these.

http://vimeo.com/39948210

If you gotta pivot or are married to toi, I don't think it is going to work here.
and you gotta stroke it straight.

this other video I just watched where he imagines two lines connecting both sides of the ball I have never considered. I'll give it a try tmrw.

And I admit, if the shot you see me make so many times in this video comes up in a game, I screwed something up, and not very happy about it.
steven
I am assuming that is you in the video. I didn't watch the whole thing but I watched the first few minutes.
It is interesting when you do miss they don't just rattle in the pocket, you miss the whole pocket by like 4 inches. I wonder why that is, you think you take your eye off the ball of something to make so many then miss so badly?
 
That's not me, I saw a video sometime back, young blond guy, worked for a billiard co, don't remover much else
 
It may seem odd but I grip the butt of the cue very tight. It seems to keep my stroke straight, I saw a video on line, tried it, works for me
Not "odd" at all.
Also, a very good way to get a stroke back in the groove quickly.
Danny Jones, Joe Cosgrove, and Don Watson all did this back in the 60's....and actually shared the concept with others.
I have been doing it for years. Anytime I start missing straight-ins or those long thin cuts, I tighten up that grip on the cue and things clear up within 15 shots.
 
Watching the video it appears most misses were from not hitting the cueball dead center or within a mm or so... At that distance a 3mm miss-hit is going to miss the pocket... If someone has Koehler's Science of Pocket Billiards there is a section on permissible error and distance... I do not recall the numbers but that shot has a very small error allowance for the make.....

This is the DTL idea for hedging... IF you are at the pivot point those miss-hits may be countered... Well at least some of them.. IF you have missed the contact point something in the stroke has broken down and all bets are off as you may have stroked down into the cloth and changed the effective pivot length because of the swerve/mini masse effect being increased... That said using the right pivot length is a smart move as it will remove some misses....
 
Full Monty

Your balance, approach and swing must all work to allow the pendulum movement to be unencumbered. Once that's in place the game starts getting easier and cue ball movement becomes simplified. This is the holy grail to playing well, having all these swing components in place when your weight is right ''because'' your approach is dead perfect & your feet are right. Once that falls into place, straight ins pretty much any distance seem easy.
 
You don't have a perspective like you do in a cut shot. I don't think you see the ball going in in the same way as a cut. In fact, you may even see it missing in your mind.

Here is an interesting video that may make some sense to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CeKQot96aU

This is my main problem, I know that shot is straight, but in my mind, in my visual perception I see it missing, I feel like I need somehow to adjust, trying to adjust causes the miss. When I'm trying to force myself to shoot it right, I steel feel that I'll miss it.
I'll try to aim at point on the cloth.

I have the same wrong visual perception on thin cut shots. How can be avoided such visual perceptions?
 
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I said in an earlier post that I MUST align and freeze my dominant eye on the shot line otherwise my aim is off. Cueing straight and vertical centerball then beomes the ONLY thing needed to make every straight shot. Long, short, follow, draw, cueball against the rail....... Set, pause, finish. STAY DOWN! Practise the routine alone hundreds of times. Mitch
I'm not an instructor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn.
 
This is my main problem, I know that shot is straight, but in my mind, in my visual perception I see it missing, I feel like I need somehow to adjust, trying to adjust causes the miss. When I'm trying to force myself to shoot it right, I steel feel that I'll miss it.
I'll try to aim at point on the cloth.

I have the same wrong visual perception on thin cut shots. How can be avoided such visual perceptions?

The last thing you want, is seeing yourself missing in your mind. If you do, your body will try to follow your minds lead. In other words you are pulling in two directions, your mind is saying, "I know I"m going to miss, I know I"m going to miss" as your body is struggling to make the ball.

If you read the book Psycho‑Cybernetics they did studies on visualization and it really works. They did it with basketball players shooting foul shots. One group practiced the shots. Another just stood in front of the basket imagined shooting perfect foul shots. A third group practiced the shots as well as standing in front of the basket and imagining the perfect shots.

They would imagine seeing the ball go in the basket, they could hear it and feel what it felt like just as the ball left their hands, the perfect shot every time but all in their mind. Turns out, the mind can't tell the difference between what is real and what is imagined. It believes what you tell it.

What happened was, the ones that actually practiced got better. The ones that just imagined shooting did not really improve. BUT, the ones that did both, Really improved greatly. They were training not only their body and muscles memory but their minds as well.

You never should miss in your mind. When you are doing that you are not only second guessing yourself but you are teaching yourself to miss. Missing becomes your minds objective and you now have to try to make the ball in spite of what your mind is telling you.

You used to hear this a lot years ago from golfers. Talking about sitting in a quite room and imagining playing, hitting every shot perfect, putting perfectly with perfect speed. They even do it as they are standing over the putt. They see it in the hole before they even pull the trigger.

No one ever discusses mental training on here much but it is probably one of the biggest elements of getting to that higher level. After all what is dogging it? It is just your mind lying to you, making you seconding guess what you know to be true. Then that can translate into a physical reaction, having you shaking as you try to make an easy shot you have shot a thousand times. Why not use/train that power of the mind to make you play better not worse.
 
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