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JB Cases said:
Look at Ronnie Alcano. Won the WC ONCE and what has he done since? Not much for the past four years or so that I can remember.

Wu? Won at 16 in one of the greatest performances ever. Since then?
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LOL
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/world_champions
Alcano won W8B also. Wu won W8B in same year he won W9B. He was finalist in first W10B.
No offence but maybe that is why you are selling cue cases and not out there arguing cases as a lawyer.
You bait and switch, don't get the facts right or conveniently leave out certain facts.
Stay classy not crassy please.:D
 
Shane makes a pretty good living playing pool with prize money alone. Not many can say that. All of the talk about being the best, the worst, the not so good, I would care less if it were me.....show me the money and forget all that other BS.
 
JB Cases said:
Look at Ronnie Alcano. Won the WC ONCE and what has he done since? Not much for the past four years or so that I can remember.
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the year after that, he won the WPA world 8-ball. then a couple of 2nd-placers - 2nd place to Gabica in Philippine 9-ball Open; 2nd place to Ralf defending the world 8-ball title; 2nd place to Mika in the US Open. i believe he also won a couple of local tournaments in the US.
(not sure what this event is but i think ronnie won this too, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDHFAHv4dZs)
 
Cornerman said:
Do you guys even know what an analogy is?

He's exactly NOT like Colin Montgomerie because Colin Montgomerie got to play one of those majors in his home country for over 20 years. And never won one. CM played on his home course, and never won. But, those who followed golf understood something:

Fans understood him to be:

a) World Elite Class (completely true)

b) legitimately the best golfer IN THE WORLD at various times despite never having won a "MAJOR." (absolutely true)

Those who didn't believe these two were not fans of golf and are completely ignorant. So, the only analogy here is that there are those that don't understand these things about Shane.

Freddie <~~~ nice analogy
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Stick to pool at least you appear sometimes to know what your talking about ,, Colin is best known for his Choking ,, and was never considered the number 1 player on this side of the globe,,,,his highest ranking was second and I would argue that was 2 high
Winning on the Euro tour is yes just like Shane winning here but not in the world events ,, at least Colin had some 2nds but that only means your the first loser so the similarities are definitely in line

He will probably stumble in sooner or later for one ,, but there are several players with 1 and a few with more than one ,, so unless u have at least one u don't even belong in the conversation unless your comparing him to a guy like Colin

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Can i just say

"I strongly believe that it is those who die hard Shane fan who have spawned threads like this". It is by you putting shane up on such a pedestal that it appears he should NEVER lose.

I have read every single post here and can not recall any one ever judging shane's character or ability, it is just the fact that he has not 'yet" won a world title (outside of the US). I am sure that we are all looking forward to him doing so and even becoming the first repeat winner or whatever. But, it is when you guys keep coming up with excuses (or what seems to be excuses) as to why he lost and then jumping to the statement about "well let's see how they do against him in a race to 100 playing 10 ball for the cheese) rather than wow X played real strong and took down shane.

It's because of you that some people wonder why this god a mist gods can't seem to run through an overseas tourney like he does in the States or like these people make him up to be. Sure it's great that he's the top money player/earner, but how many of you can say that you're pleased about going to Reno or playing in you local tourney and cashing but never taking it down?

Other have done it with out ever having the distinction of being called "The Worlds Best Player" so why not Shane.

YET!
 
arps said:
the year after that, he won the WPA world 8-ball. then a couple of 2nd-placers - 2nd place to Gabica in Philippine 9-ball Open; 2nd place to Ralf defending the world 8-ball title; 2nd place to Mika in the US Open. i believe he also won a couple of local tournaments in the US.
(not sure what this event is but i think ronnie won this too, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDHFAHv4dZs)
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I know. And then for the last four - not much... point being that it's skill AND rolls. Players can go on a run and win a bunch and then fade.
 
spartan said:
LOL
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/world_champions
Alcano won W8B also. Wu won W8B in same year he won W9B. He was finalist in first W10B.
No offence but maybe that is why you are selling cue cases and not out there arguing cases as a lawyer.
You bait and switch, don't get the facts right or conveniently leave out certain facts.
Stay classy not crassy please.:D
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I know exactly what I said. Players COMMONLY win a major or two in a short span because they are on a roll after the first one.

My point was and remains that SOMETIMES players will rise up and win majors and then fade away as Ronnie has done. He isn't the only one and won't be the last.

He is still a world class player and will forever be a world champion, a title Shane has yet to earn. But YOY Shane is the more consistent player. That was the point.
 
And I PROMISE you I follow pool at least as much as most here and have been actually PRESENT at a lot of the events talked about.
 
Wrong...

7forlife said:
"I strongly believe that it is those who die hard Shane fan who have spawned threads like this". It is by you putting shane up on such a pedestal that it appears he should NEVER lose.

I have read every single post here and can not recall any one ever judging shane's character or ability, it is just the fact that he has not 'yet" won a world title (outside of the US). I am sure that we are all looking forward to him doing so and even becoming the first repeat winner or whatever. But, it is when you guys keep coming up with excuses (or what seems to be excuses) as to why he lost and then jumping to the statement about "well let's see how they do against him in a race to 100 playing 10 ball for the cheese) rather than wow X played real strong and took down shane.

It's because of you that some people wonder why this god a mist gods can't seem to run through an overseas tourney like he does in the States or like these people make him up to be. Sure it's great that he's the top money player/earner, but how many of you can say that you're pleased about going to Reno or playing in you local tourney and cashing but never taking it down?

Other have done it with out ever having the distinction of being called "The Worlds Best Player" so why not Shane.

YET!
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The only reason people are coming up with "excuses" is that every time he doesn't dominate overseas, (even though he always seems to still do well), people (almost always from overseas or at least foreigners typically), jump up and say "See, he's not that good".

It just seems the only reason these conversations keep popping up is that people are ass hurt that an American is the best player and keep looking for excuses to not have to admit it.

Jaden
 
Jaden said:
The only reason people are coming up with "excuses" is that every time he doesn't dominate overseas, (even though he always seems to still do well), people (almost always from overseas or at least foreigners typically), jump up and say "See, he's not that good".

It just seems the only reason these conversations keep popping up is that people are ass hurt that an American is the best player and keep looking for excuses to not have to admit it.

Jaden
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This has little to do with Shane per se, but more to do with his detractors trying to "prove" that the fields overseas are that much better than in the U.S., and therefore the U.S. players as a whole are weaker than Euros or Asians. Shane dominates everything Stateside, so by extension his lower finishes in Asia and Europe are supposed to mean there are more, better players in those areas than in the U.S. Maybe so, maybe no...but this will get trolled to death.
 
Jaden said:
The only reason people are coming up with "excuses" is that every time he doesn't dominate overseas, (even though he always seems to still do well), people (almost always from overseas or at least foreigners typically), jump up and say "See, he's not that good".

It just seems the only reason these conversations keep popping up is that people are ass hurt that an American is the best player and keep looking for excuses to not have to admit it.

Jaden
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I don't agree that Shane is the "best" player. Among the elite for sure. But I do agree that anyone who tries to downgrade his game is just plain silly. No one on Earth is "better" than Shane day in day out. No one.
 
Jaden said:
It just seems the only reason these conversations keep popping up is that people are ass hurt that an American is the best player and keep looking for excuses to not have to admit it.
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lol, I'd say the opposite is true. If Shane wasn't American, we wouldn't see nearly as many people on here banging on about how great he is, throwing out ridiculous "yeah but who would win in a race to 100" challenges and droning on, and on, and on, and on, and on... and on, about variance.

Shane is a great player. He isn't the best player. I (eek!) agree with JB in that he's just a part of that discussion - where we differ is I think he has legitimate weaknesses contributing to his continued failure to win true world events overseas. Anyway, there is no best player in pool right now - there are just a lot of good ones.
 
one stroke said:
Stick to pool at least you appear sometimes to know what your talking about ,, Colin is best known for his Choking ,, and was never considered the number 1 player on this side of the globe,,,,his highest ranking was second and I would argue that was 2 high


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My point proven. Montgomerie was not a good analogy, as I said. Thanks for agreeing. Colin was a choker that couldn't win the big one on his own home court. Exactly opposite of Shane.

By failing to admit that Montgomerie "at times was the best golfer in the world," you end up no better than those across the pond that can't admit that Shane at times is the best player in the world. Montogomerie absolutely at times was the best golfer in the world, regardless of that fact that he didn't hit the Number 1 ranking. Not understanding that simple concept is exactly the same as what the Anti-Shane camp is missing.
 
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Cornerman said:
My point proven. Montgomerie was not a good analogy, as I said. Thanks for agreeing. Colin was a choker that couldn't win the big one on his own home court. Exactly opposite of Shane.

By failing to admit that Montgomerie "at times was the best golfer in the world," you end up no better than those across the pond that can't admit that Shane at times is the best player in the world. Montogomerie absolutely at times was the best golfer in the world, regardless of that fact that he didn't hit the Number 1 ranking. Not understanding that simple concept is exactly the same as what the Anti-Shane camp is missing.
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No he won the big Tourneys of the Euro PGA ,, he just could not win World event aka the Majors ,, when was he the best ,,, never ,,, and know you don't have to live across the pond to say Shane's not the best there is plenty of it going on right here ,, I have American Pro's who say the same thing ,, who is in the running of the best of all time that does not have a world title ,,,... Ding Ding Ding ,,.. 1 ,, want to guess who he is ,,


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JB Cases said:
I know exactly what I said. Players COMMONLY win a major or two in a short span because they are on a roll after the first one.

My point was and remains that SOMETIMES players will rise up and win majors and then fade away as Ronnie has done. He isn't the only one and won't be the last.

He is still a world class player and will forever be a world champion, a title Shane has yet to earn. But YOY Shane is the more consistent player. That was the point.
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I honestly think Shane may never enter another WC playing better than he was playing before this event.
 
Forget all the tourney wins and losses and all those things. Who are ANY of you that say Shane is not the best in world willing to put in the box against him in any format other then one race to 11.

NO ONE is willing to do that. And that speaks volumes as to just how good he really is. Can he be beaten by someone, sure, maybe. But who are you willing to say you will put your money up against Shane's to win. NO ONE. That my friends is a fact.
 
warfdiesel said:
Forget all the tourney wins and losses and all those things. Who are ANY of you that say Shane is not the best in world willing to put in the box against him in any format other then one race to 11.

NO ONE is willing to do that. And that speaks volumes as to just how good he really is. Can he be beaten by someone, sure, maybe. But who are you willing to say you will put your money up against Shane's to win. NO ONE. That my friends is a fact.
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Correct me if I am wrong but Shane said he wouldn't gamble with Scott Frost playing one pocket unless Scott gave him weight. This couldn't have been more than a couple months ago.
 
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