Rack your own
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Who is going to pay the designated rackers? Who is going to volunteer to be a designated racker? How many designated rackers are needed?
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I guess they could have rack boys (or girls) for hire like caddys at a golf course! Then it would be up to the players at that table to pay them and it wouldn't come out of the prize purse. Knowing pool players, I imagine they would be racking their own...
Would you pay a rack boy? I sure as hell wouldn't!
If the organizers can't handle something as simple as providing rackers for pro level tournaments then pool is indeed in a sad state of affairs
Yeah, no kidding! I'll rack my own instead of hiring a rack "person."
The APA National Team Championships have over 200 tables.
Let's say there was a tournament with 50 tables and there was a designated racker at each table. If you were paying them $10/hour, then that would be $500/hour to have designated rackers. Let's say the tournament is one day an lasts 10 hours, then it would cost $5,000 to have designated rackers. I don't know of many professional tournaments that can fork out $5,000 per day on "something as simple as providing rackers."
The perfect format .....
Locally we have figured out the Best way of Rack Your Own....
It is...
Nine Ball...
Two ball in the back or at bottom of rack..
Nine ball does not count if it goes in the two bottom corner pockets on the break...
This format is the greatest for a smooth running tournament with no hassels of all to speak of....
Never any conflicts and no racking issues...if you give yourself a bad rack..it is your own fault....
Give it a try and you will have a much better higher quaility tournament...Guaranteed!!!
Mr. J.
Locally we have figured out the Best way of Rack Your Own....
It is...
Nine Ball...
Two ball in the back or at bottom of rack..
Nine ball does not count if it goes in the two bottom corner pockets on the break...
This format is the greatest for a smooth running tournament with no hassels of all to speak of....
Never any conflicts and no racking issues...if you give yourself a bad rack..it is your own fault....
Give it a try and you will have a much better higher quaility tournament...Guaranteed!!!
Mr. J.
Rack your own most likely came about due to the breaker checking the rack and requesting a rerack. Having a designated racker would not solve this or save any time.
One thing that might work is for the non breaking player to place the balls in the rack, and the breaker puts them in place. This should eliminate pattern racking if the only balls that are moved are the ones that have a designated position.
One thing that might work is for the non breaking player to place the balls in the rack, and the breaker puts them in place. This should eliminate pattern racking if the only balls that are moved are the ones that have a designated position.
"Well, we had $5,000 in added money, but we burned through it on the first day for rackers."
News alert! Pool has been "in a bad way" for a long time.
What? No wine at the soup kitchen? How can I eat my soup without wine?
Players are very picky with the rack. You may as well have the golf caddy setup and shoot the opening drive in golf. You really can't mess up plasing a ball on a little stand, but you can sure as hell mess up racking in pool.
There is a saying "if you need someting done right you have to do it yourself". Now if the rackers were as good or better rackers than the players and also knew which balls the players liked in what spots for what games, that may be something they can do. Even if the rackers were perfect in racking, where are they going to keep another 12-30 people hanging around the tables to rack when the game is over?
Nothing wrong with rack your own or loser racks or expecting the players to do the same.
It came about during the McDermott Tour days with McChesney. Because of allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the whining/complaining and loose racks, he would then take over and rack the rest of the match to eliminate the problem. He got sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of hearing the whining/complaining and all the other crap from the pool players he implemented this course of action. If pool had ethics like some sports, this would not be an issue. But that type of true character with ethics, most likely will only be found in the European market.
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That's my point, cupcake.
Pool tournaments are crap with or without dedicated rackers.
What ever happen with the Sardo? Not sure but doesn't seem you hear or see too much at all anymore? Also, dont know what it would be but if every rack had a designated place for every ball combined with Sardo would that help?
Pros made it fail, the rack and the break became too predictable, Cory Duel mastered the cut break with the one ball in the side, took the game outta the game.
Well yeah but really cant he do that regardless of what " rack " is used? I was under the impression that the Sardo was supposedly the most quick and reliable way to get a tight rack. As far as the position of the balls, I dont know what it is but im sure someone does or could be figured out how to rack the balls ( position ) to make for the hardest run out ( % wise ) the majority of the time. Doesn't that cover the only two issues in regards to racking?
It made the racks too predictable. So now we have magic racks etc for much cheaper while still providing a spread that is too predictable. :thumbup:
IMO, magic racks, rack your own etc, letting the breaker dictate anything about the rack as in inspect complain etc..... is a part of what is wrong with the game these days.
If no ref is there to rack, it should be opponent racks, breaker does not get to inspect it or alter it in any way. It worked for many years just fine with the exception of some crybabies and rack mechanics. So instead of taking care of the problem, the problem got placated to. And guess what, now most of the players have become rack mechanics and the game looks like a drill at times instead of a random spread of balls as was intended when the games were created.
Chuck
Ok, how about this. Not perfect but just an idear. The same way a lot of toury"s do not count the 9 on the break in the bottom two pockets what if any balls made in the side pockets do not count and are spotted up? Would that not eliminate the cut break?
Dont even have to do that, move the spot a half diamond closer to the end rail, it would take away the wing ball, the one ball, and the 9 ball going clean in the lower pockets.
Chuck