Fusco's The Spot (smoking allowed - nasty)
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If Pete steps foot in The Spot, then he hasn't really quit, has he?
Give it a rest, it's the mans private club, his house, his rules. You can choose to join or not so make a decision & live with it. Nobody likes a whiner.
I havnt read every post in this thread but i do feel the need to comment on what i have read. First thing . petey is a very close friend of mine and to say that his pool room is terrible because he allows smoking is wrong. and trying to knock the room is even worse, not to menetion you need a membership to play and real big in the front is a sign that says smoking is permitted so if it bothered you that much than maybe you should have asked for your $2 membership fee back and left or better yet not even stay and play. Because petey has put alot of money sweat and tears in that pool room and it by far is one of the nicest pool rooms in the COUNTRY and the idiot clammont POSTED THAT IT WAS A SHIT HOLE AND TO PLAY AT DREXELINE BILLIARDS INSTEAD. well drexeline billiard club happens to be my home poolroom and bob madoff is also a close friend of mine he has known me since i was 13 years old and yes drexeline is an amazing and beautiful pool room and also one of the nicest rooms ive been in, but by no means is it fair to say that the spot is a dump . So If you are in the philly area there are 2 beautiful poolrooms . drexeline billiards, and fuscos the spot the main difference is drexeline does not allow smoking and fuscos does. so depending on your prefrence thats how to choose were to play .BUT BOTH ROOMS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND IF YOU ARE EVER LOOKING FOR ACTION HAVE THE HOUSE MAN AT EITHER ROOM CALL VINNY AND I WILL BE RIGHT OVER TO PLAY SOME.
Freedom is a precious thing. To protect your own freedom, stand up for everyone else's freedom. In this case, it would be freedom to operate a smoking or smoke-free billiard room, and freedom to frequent a smoking or smoke-free billiard room. With real freedom, you get to choose! What could be better?!
You don't have some god given right to play some place and it be exactly to your liking lol like any restaurant ,bar or store..if you don't like the environment don't go there. Leave it to the people who do and if not enough do that makes financially viable then they will change or close.
Somewhat different issue when it comes to employee health. Simplistically, one can say that if you don't want to be in a given environment you shouldn't seek to work in that environment, but jobs don't grow on trees and people trying to support themselves (and, often, family members) generally do not have the same luxury of complete choice that people seeking recreation have. Personal distaste for a smoky environment aside, I, for one, respect and wish to support those owners/employers who have decided that maintaining a healthy employment environment is a priority.
Choices...we all have them and they're all ours.
It's a common tactic by some to use an extreme case or story that surely almost never happens, to prove their case. In this case it's the poor unfortunate that's never made a choice on their own free will and is forced by us (society) to do something they don't want to do, or keep them from doing something they want to do. These people would have us all believe that we have a greater impact on an individuals lives than the individual themselves. This must be why these people think they should make the choices for everyone else.
NEWS FLASH: JOBS DON'T GROW ON TREES FOR ANYONE!
But instead of addressing the real problems of limited, low paid, low skilled work and upward mobility...all improving ones available choices, the answer is remove someone else's choice so that someone else can be more comfortable with their lack of choice.
In essence, the so called helping hand doesn't pull one out of their hole, it only keeps them there so that they feel more comfortable about it and becomes dependent on the hand. This keeps them from ever getting out of the hole and standing on their own two feet. This mindset then gets passed on to next generations and perpetuates a whole class of people living in a hole, dependent on the hand and another class of people feeling guilty about it. Why, that sounds like a perfect way to manipulate and rule a large populace, doesn't it? LOL
It's a common tactic by some to use an extreme case or story that surely almost never happens, to prove their case. In this case it's the poor unfortunate that's never made a choice on their own free will and is forced by us (society) to do something they don't want to do, or keep them from doing something they want to do. These people would have us all believe that we have a greater impact on an individuals lives than the individual themselves. This must be why these people think they should make the choices for everyone else.
NEWS FLASH: JOBS DON'T GROW ON TREES FOR ANYONE!
But instead of addressing the real problems of limited, low paid, low skilled work and upward mobility...all improving ones available choices, the answer is remove someone else's choice so that someone else can be more comfortable with their lack of choice.
In essence, the so called helping hand doesn't pull one out of their hole, it only keeps them there so that they feel more comfortable about it and becomes dependent on the hand. This keeps them from ever getting out of the hole and standing on their own two feet. This mindset then gets passed on to next generations and perpetuates a whole class of people living in a hole, dependent on the hand and another class of people feeling guilty about it. Why, that sounds like a perfect way to manipulate and rule a large populace, doesn't it? LOL
Rootity toot. Rootity toot,
We are the boys from the institute,
We don't smoke, we don't chew, and we don't go with the girls that do.
Our class won the bible !
We are the boys from the institute,
We don't smoke, we don't chew, and we don't go with the girls that do.
Our class won the bible !
To ensure that I am not further misunderstood, I am 100 percent for personal responsibility and for advancement based on merit. My comments have not once suggested that regulation or public assistance should be applied in this context. I completely agree that, legally, at least in most jurisdictions, rooms that allow smoking are entitled to do so. I also completely agree that those who don't want to play in rooms that allow smoking can and should simply not go there. My only points have been these: (a) I thought that The Spot might like to know that, due to its smoking policy, it has lost at least one more potential customer in addition to those who already may have spoken up, (b) the percentages of smokers/non-smokers is such that I suspect that many room owners who permit smoking may, in fact, be acting against their economic self-interest, and (c) I would commend any room owners who voluntarily take measures (choose) to change their policy and provide a smoke-free workplace for their employees, at least some of whom, I think, we must presume to be thoughtful citizens who made a responsible choice to take a job in a smoking establishment (meaning all of the pros, for them, outweighed all of the cons, for them) but would prefer to avoid the exposure and would be at less health risk absent the exposure. That's all. No other points, so kindly do not attribute them. As for choices, I've just made one to make this my last post on this forum on any matter of opinion, as it would seem pretty clear that these kinds of discussions just don't stay on point. I should have known better than to have blithely assumed otherwise. I weighed in only because I think the sport is a wonderful one and that its future survival/growth would be well served to move away from an association with smoking.
What's this crazy speak?
That doesn't suit him or his argument on inalienable rights. LOL
Again, point proven... it's a choice. If you choose to go there, you choose to breathe the smoke. If you don't like it, you have the right to choose not to return. You DON'T have the right to force them to change to your liking. If I don't like Thai food, I'm not going to go to a Thai restaurant then complain about the food then tell them if they would serve pizza, hamburgers and french fries from noon until 6pm, I would come back. That would be ludicrous, just as is this Fusco's bashing thread!
I have never been there, but if by chance for some unknown reason I find myself in that part of the country, I will DEFINITELY stop in to check it out. If nothing else, I think this thread has probably helped Fusco's more than hurting it!
That all sounds fair enough to me and I did in true political form attribute points you did not actually make. Your stance is now more clear, and I think you actually agree with point smokers are trying to make here, but it's not something you'd choose for yourself and you'd like to see other like minded folks more supported in the cause. That's understandable. This is what discussions can produce, and while not always easy or fun, I think they are absolutely necessary. Technology/internet has dehumanized us all in ways, so I must admit we're pretty much all guilty of less than optimal social skills these days. This makes these things all the more difficult...I don't think this is coincidence. I wouldn't use this thread as a reason to no longer engage with people on such topics and I'd encourage you to reconsider.
I don't know how many states still allow smoking. I believe it's a very small minority now but I could be mistaken. Seems like forever since I seen such a place on the east or west coasts. What I am sure of, however, is that pool is suffering badly in all regions whether they allow smoking or not. For someone who loves the game, I think it's counterproductive to publically criticize an establishment that is doing nothing illegal and doesn't force anyone into their establishment or partake in their activities. That includes employees.
As a smoker, I understand and sympathize with the people who don't, as I don't smoke in my own home and try go out of my way to keep it my business only when out in public. But people will still ride that high horse and tell me what I should or shouldn't be doing, and these days of public shaming to influence thoughts and steer an outcome is not only ridiculous, it just isn't how grown folks should act. It's definitely not manly. Pool is a gentleman's game.
I was there for the 9 ball tournament last night, hardly noticed the smoke,only when some one left one burning in an ashtray.
Thank you for this reply.
Actually, polls on here in the past have showed about 75% of AZ is non-smokers.
Time will take care of public smoking!
There are bans in whole country's( google smoking bans worldwide)
The increasing customer demand, lawsuits,updating of current laws and the costs to maintain a smoking place of business will make this topic no more!
Obama care with universal coverage will make business owners comply by surcharging them .
Higher fire insurance, lawsuits, extra maintence and excessive cleaning charges for this shrinking class will seal their fate!
You can smoke just smoke outside please it will save you money and your/our health!
There are bans in whole country's( google smoking bans worldwide)
The increasing customer demand, lawsuits,updating of current laws and the costs to maintain a smoking place of business will make this topic no more!
Obama care with universal coverage will make business owners comply by surcharging them .
Higher fire insurance, lawsuits, extra maintence and excessive cleaning charges for this shrinking class will seal their fate!
You can smoke just smoke outside please it will save you money and your/our health!
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Interesting. What's the average age?
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