Felt cleaning

My apologies to the OP for the derail of this thread. I must have been dreaming.
I had this crazy notion that somebody actually recommended using BENZENE to clean a pool table! Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahah!!!!!
That couldn't have been for real.
Anyway, I have Simonis 860. I have the X-1 but wasn't too impressed.
I'm back to just light vacuuming. That's worked great for me. Just don't let it get flat on the cloth and pull too hard.


I did hear about this new tip material. COMPRESSED ASBESTOS!! Everyone is switching to it. A top pro told me about it. It must be good. It doesn't mushroom and lasts a long long time!
The only precaution is make sure you scuff and shape in a well ventilated area. Preferably outside. And try not to let any scuffed material on your clothing. There is a slight cancer risk if not done properly.
^^^ Sorry I couldn't resist!!!^^^^^^
 
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9andout said:
My apologies to the OP for the derail of this thread. I must have been dreaming.
I had this crazy notion that somebody actually recommended using BENZENE to clean a pool table! Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahah!!!!!
That couldn't have been for real.
Anyway, I have Simonis 860. I have the X-1 but wasn't too impressed.
I'm back to just light vacuuming. That's worked great for me. Just don't let it get flat on the cloth and pull too hard.
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Good for you, nobody ever said you have to follow anyone's advice.
Benzene is used for decades in cleaning some of the most sensitive clothes people wear, without any problems for the clothes or people that use it.
A few drops on a damp cloth will help clean some of the dirt that after some use won't come out just by vacuum cleaning. It is an effective, cheap and safe alternative to other chemicals sold in the billiard industry for that purpose.
Using only dry cleaning will result in less time for the cloth maintaining good tournament-like conditions.
This information will help anyone that wishes to try this alternative method.
My apologies too to the OP and others, but sometimes it's necessary to spend some extra time to explain facts that may be useful to az members against ignorant-arrogant-zero argument "approaches".
Petros
 
Petros Andrikop said:
This information will help anyone that wishes to try this alternative method.
My apologies too to the OP and others, but sometimes it's necessary to spend some extra time to explain facts that may be useful to az members against ignorant-arrogant-zero argument "approaches".
Petros
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You really are delusional.
I will be checking back on this thread. Anxiously awaiting the post from someone who can't wait to try this wonderful "alternative method".
Btw your original post was reckless.
It wasn't until pressed that you clarified what you meant. So, your welcome.
 
9andout said:
You really are delusional.
I will be checking back on this thread. Anxiously awaiting the post from someone who can't wait to try this wonderful "alternative method".
Btw your original post was reckless.
It wasn't until pressed that you clarified what you meant. So, your welcome.
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Still zero arguments and zero contribution to this thread, only exhibition of ignorance, arrogance and low life/troll like behaviour.
It's good though that most members will be able to distinguish which one is the serious side here, and those who wish will only benefit from advice given if they choose to follow it.
There are many ways for doing something, I only mentioned one of them, with structured arguments behind it.
You don't know it, don't like it, or maybe for a reason you don't want other members to use this alternative.
You presented no real arguments against it, as most people will be able to see, only rude remarks to cover your lack of knowledge.
It's not bad not to know something, it's bad not to have an open mind.
It's not bad to argue about anything, it's bad doing it in a non civilized way even when the other side is patiently arguing against rude remarks.
Perhaps you just had a bad weekend, perhaps you need help, we're only human after all. Anyway it is, get over it, should be good for you.
If you change your mind, try this method, it's no big science, it will benefit your table, will cost you nothing, will not cause you any health problems or any problems at all unless you are into selling table cloth cleaners.
In any case you should stop waisting people's time here (as well as your image), just move on.
Petros
 
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Petros Andrikop said:
Still zero arguments and zero contribution to this thread, only exhibition of ignorance, arrogance and low life/troll like behaviour.
It's good though that most members will be able to distinguish which one is the serious side here, and those who wish will only benefit from advice given if they choose to follow it.
There are many ways for doing something, I only mentioned one of them, with structured arguments behind it.
You don't know it, don't like it, or maybe for a reason you don't want other members to use this alternative.
You presented no real arguments against it, as most people will be able to see, only rude remarks to cover your lack of knowledge.
It's not bad not to know something, it's bad not to have an open mind.
It's not bad to argue about anything, it's bad doing it in a non civilized way even when the other side is patiently arguing against rude remarks.
Perhaps you just had a bad weekend, perhaps you need help, we're only human after all. Anyway it is, get over it, should be good for you.
If you change your mind, try this method, it's no big science, it will benefit your table, will cost you nothing, will not cause you any health problems or any problems at all unless you are into selling table cloth cleaners.
In any case you should stop waisting people's time here (as well as your image), just move on.
Petros
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WOW, OMG, and WTF! Are you still wasting your valuable words and time defending benzene here?

Understand something. No one here in the U.S. is going to be using this "innocent" cleaning chemical because it hasn't been available for purchase to the general public in about... well, since they discovered it is a potential carcinogen. The chances of finding it sitting innocently on the shelf at the local Food Lion or Wal Mart are slim to none.

We don't let ordinary people here just go out and buy chemicals that are suspected of causing cancer. Especially when they present a serious disposal problem and can easily leach out into the ground water. Besides, we have major chemical companies like Dow and General Electric to do our polluting for us. They really don't need our help.

I'm sure that the stuff works as you claim it does, but there are many other solvents that would do a similar job. Xylene and toluene have similar properties and are readily available (for now, anyway) for sale to the public. I used to use xylene all the time to remove caked on rosin from poorly-maintained violins and bows without damaging the varnish. Surely it can handle a little finger grease on the playing surface of billiard cloth.

Anyway, friend, I have no desire to quarrel with you. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. But let's be clear, posting portions of your personal CV as proof of your expertise in the matter ain't swaying anybody. In fact, it may help to explain why so may from other countries seek a medical education here in the U.S. and then take that knowledge back to their homeland after they are done with us.


EDIT TO ADD: I won't be responding to this thread again, so please have at me and get it off your chest. I wore my big boy pants today, I'm set.
 
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Sloppy Pockets said:
WOW, OMG, and WTF! Are you still wasting your valuable words and time defending benzene here?

Understand something. No one here in the U.S. is going to be using this "innocent" cleaning chemical because it hasn't been available for purchase to the general public in about... well, since they discovered it is a potential carcinogen. The chances of finding it sitting innocently on the shelf at the local Food Lion or Wal Mart are slim to none.

We don't let ordinary people here just go out and buy chemicals that are suspected of causing cancer. Especially when they present a serious disposal problem and can easily leach out into the ground water. Besides, we have major chemical companies like Dow and General Electric to do our polluting for us. They really don't need our help.

I'm sure that the stuff works as you claim it does, but there are many other solvents that would do a similar job. Xylene and toluene have similar properties and are readily available (for now, anyway) for sale to the public. I used to use xylene all the time to remove caked on rosin from poorly-maintained violins and bows without damaging the varnish. Surely it can handle a little finger grease on the playing surface of billiard cloth.

Anyway, friend, I have no desire to quarrel with you. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. But let's be clear, posting portions of your personal CV as proof of your expertise in the matter ain't swaying anybody. In fact, it may help to explain why so may from other countries seek a medical education here in the U.S. and then take that knowledge back to their homeland after they are done with us.


EDIT TO ADD: I won't be responding to this thread again, so please have at me and get it off your chest. I wore my big boy pants today, I'm set.
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Well put SP!!!
Well halftime is over.......
Hey Petros get back to shining that table. Don't forget your gloves and respirator for starters....
 
Sloppy Pockets said:
WOW, OMG, and WTF! Are you still wasting your valuable words and time defending benzene here?

Understand something. No one here in the U.S. is going to be using this "innocent" cleaning chemical because it hasn't been available for purchase to the general public in about... well, since they discovered it is a potential carcinogen. The chances of finding it sitting innocently on the shelf at the local Food Lion or Wal Mart are slim to none.

We don't let ordinary people here just go out and buy chemicals that are suspected of causing cancer. Especially when they present a serious disposal problem and can easily leach out into the ground water. Besides, we have major chemical companies like Dow and General Electric to do our polluting for us. They really don't need our help.

I'm sure that the stuff works as you claim it does, but there are many other solvents that would do a similar job. Xylene and toluene have similar properties and are readily available (for now, anyway) for sale to the public. I used to use xylene all the time to remove caked on rosin from poorly-maintained violins and bows without damaging the varnish. Surely it can handle a little finger grease on the playing surface of billiard cloth.

Anyway, friend, I have no desire to quarrel with you. You are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. But let's be clear, posting portions of your personal CV as proof of your expertise in the matter ain't swaying anybody. In fact, it may help to explain why so may from other countries seek a medical education here in the U.S. and then take that knowledge back to their homeland after they are done with us.


EDIT TO ADD: I won't be responding to this thread again, so please have at me and get it off your chest. I wore my big boy pants today, I'm set.
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"Benzene is widely used in the United States".........................
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/benzene/basics/facts.asp
This is officially related to the link you posted, in order to lecture me about, since you have no specific knowledge (perhaps that is why you underestimate people that do...), the one link you thought that you understand.......................
In the link I give you health issues are discussed connected to high exposure, not minor, except smoking which is another US daily use as well......
That has nothing to do with sales policies, or differences in them between US and Europe, if US differs in something about sales that doesn't mean people that cleaned their clothing material using minor quantities of it have been reported with health issues, that is not what is described in that link.....
Nothing wrong with not knowing something, trying to look smart over people that do is...
Assuming also in your lack of knowledge that another person which has tried something you know absolutely nothing about doesn't know what he's talking about, is also being "smart" with no reason....
You also seem not willing to accept that I have no personal interest in "defending" a method that costs almost nothing, I only offered this advice in case another member wishes to know a cheap and effective alternative, an alternative which is not provided by other chemicals that you mentioned, those are not reported used in cloth cleaning.
So, I'm not reporting my CV to look smart or to quarrel with anybody, I'm just offering valuable info to people with open minds against ignorance.
The ones that have no problem insisting on their opinion no matter what and decide to use this simple method will benefit from it, and that is the only reason I replied in this thread.
Let's just move on.
Petros
PS Found another interesting link against your misinformation about chemical products sold in US, some with benzene content, causing problems only upon high exposure or misuse (hardly what is expected by a few drops on a damp cloth for cleaning a pool table every now and then). Actually most of them are not sold in Europe, which seems to be more strict than US (opposite of what you are describing), where cleaning benzene is sold in public....
http://www.ewg.org/cleaners/hallofshame/
 
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Petros Andrikop said:
"Benzene is widely used in the United States".........................
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/benzene/basics/facts.asp
This is officially related to the link you posted, in order to lecture me about, since you have no specific knowledge (perhaps that is why you underestimate people that do...), the one link you thought that you understand.......................
In the link I give you health issues are discussed connected to high exposure, not minor, except smoking which is another US daily use as well......
That has nothing to do with sales policies, or differences in them between US and Europe, if US differs in something about sales that doesn't mean people that cleaned their clothing material using minor quantities of it have been reported with health issues, that is not what is described in that link.....
Nothing wrong with not knowing something, trying to look smart over people that do is...
Assuming also in your lack of knowledge that another person which has tried something you know absolutely nothing about doesn't know what he's talking about, is also being "smart" with no reason....
You also seem not willing to accept that I have no personal interest in "defending" a method that costs almost nothing, I only offered this advice in case another member wishes to know a cheap and effective alternative, an alternative which is not provided by other chemicals that you mentioned, those are not reported used in cloth cleaning.
So, I'm not reporting my CV to look smart or to quarrel with anybody, I'm just offering valuable info to people with open minds against ignorance.
The ones that have no problem insisting on their opinion no matter what and decide to use this simple method will benefit from it, and that is the only reason I replied in this thread.
Let's just move on.
Petros
PS Found another interesting link against your misinformation about chemical products sold in US, some with benzene content, causing problems only upon high exposure or misuse (hardly what is expected by a few drops on a damp cloth for cleaning a pool table every now and then). Actually most of them are not sold in Europe, which seems to be more strict than US (opposite of what you are describing), where cleaning benzene is sold in public....
http://www.ewg.org/cleaners/hallofshame/
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Dude, you have issues. Does not getting the last word in bother you?
I think so. Go ahead.... see if you can resist posting again in this thread.
 
9andout said:
Dude, you have issues. Does not getting the last word in bother you?
I think so. Go ahead.... see if you can resist posting again in this thread.
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I don't have any issues, seems that you do.....
I only provided structured info, you only provided rude remarks.....
I didn't bring this back to page one, you did......
Stop being a kid, you are simply 100% wrong in this one.
Move on, you need it.....
Petros
 
Couldn't resist huh?
Like I said your first post was reckless.
Every other one ridiculous.
Please make the above post your last in this thread.
If you can.....................
 
You are the one insisting on nothing, not me...
No respect for people that wanted to share info through this thread, you provided no info, only negativity without knowing what you are talking about...
You just need to relax, no need to repeat your zero argument rude remarks.
You do need to move on, get some help if you can't by yourself, it's not bad to ask for help...
Best,
Petros
 
I get it.

Guys, Thanks a bunch for the good info on how to clean felt. I appreciate it and it appears like most things, there is more then one way to do it and have good results. On to more pressing things, as I am now in the process of making my table light.
 
Ak Guy said:
Guys, Thanks a bunch for the good info on how to clean felt. I appreciate it and it appears like most things, there is more then one way to do it and have good results. On to more pressing things, as I am now in the process of making my table light.
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Exactly, good luck!!
 
Petros Andrikop said:
You are the one insisting on nothing, not me...
No respect for people that wanted to share info through this thread, you provided no info, only negativity without knowing what you are talking about...
You just need to relax, no need to repeat your zero argument rude remarks.
You do need to move on, get some help if you can't by yourself, it's not bad to ask for help...
Best,
Petros
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On and on you go....Quite comical. And sad.
 
9andout said:
On and on you go....Quite comical. And sad.
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No, it is you going on with your absolutely useless replies, even after the guy that started the thread tried politely to let it go.
Obviously you just don't care about that too and you can't let go of your zero contribution to the thread.
On and on you go, without really anything to say except insulting others, pathetic.
The worst thing is you just refuse to escape this situation.
Get help, you need it, try a bit, you can do it...
 
Seriously, give Petros a break. He simply provided another method to clean a table. If you don't like it or agree with what he provided, then so be it. No need to bash him. I'm interested in different cleaning methods as well, and I've read this entire thread and I never even thought of using Benzene.

As with a lot of chemicals, medicine, bug sprays, etc, people need to use them responsibly or they CAN be harmful. Benzene is no different. If you plan on using it, be mindful and take precaution as you would with any other chemical, and you will be just fine. Alternatively, simply don't use it all. However, using this thread to boost your ego and bashing someone because they suggested a different method is wrong.

Grow up people.

-Phil
 
Petros Andrikop said:
No, it is you going on with your absolutely useless replies
Obviously you just don't care about that too and you can't let go of your zero contribution to the thread
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Yeah pointing out that someone recommended cleaning a pool table with a KNOWN CARCINOGENIC chemical. "Zero contribution" for sure.
And I wasn't the only one either.
Again. Your original post was reckless.
Simple facts. That's all.
 
9andout said:
Yeah pointing out that someone recommended cleaning a pool table with a KNOWN CARCINOGENIC chemical. "Zero contribution" for sure.
And I wasn't the only one either.
Again. Your original post was reckless.
Simple facts. That's all.
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If you would have even bothered reading the official link I provided, you would have noticed among other things benzene mentioned as chemical part of cigarettes...
Imagine the difference in the tiny amount I suggested using (of a theoretically carcinogenic material, like most others if overused but certainly not in insignificant amounts) and the huge amount of it in regular smoking, which is a high risk factor for cancer but not a definite cause...
You also "ignored" that colorless cleaning benzene without lead is used since decades in cleaning regular clothes, even the most sensitive ones...
For some funny reason you try to point out something that most others don't see, trying to tell people that this harmless method should not be used.
You also tried to misinform people that benzene is not widely used in US, perhaps in your planet's US tobacco is not available in public....
Well, you have certainly made your point, in your dimension...
If you return to earth, perhaps you could communicate better with appropriate help...
I would not bet on it though...
 
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Ill add in a break to the bickering. I use a small shop vac on my table. If you use the horse hair brush (same bristles as your table brush by the way) you will not pull the filler from the seams. Air is allowed to pass in from the sides of the brush. No way to get that much suck with it. But it is more then enough to pull up chalk dust. Then wipe with micro fiber cloth to finish. Doesn't even need to be damp. The micofiber has a magnetic effect and pulls any remaining dust.....especially under the cushions.

My micro fiber towel is yellow. Well, it was yellow. Been through wash several times and the blue will not come out. Any suggestions? Thinking of trying some benzene. Ok....couldn't resist. But how about dry cleaners fluid?
 
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