why do people break from here in 9 ball?

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hit my first 5 pack tonight and it was because I moved my cue ball along headstring

I see most of top players and amateurs especially in bar table 9 ball break from the rail, I believed the concept was hit them hard (no magic rack) squat the cue ball try make wing ball and one ball goes up table opposite side to broke from for a shot

well this was inconsisten for me I scratched more often than I liked and never felt hit the balls clean all the time the spread wasn't aalways there

so I broke couple weeks ago from middle of center diamond and 1st diamond, pretty straight hand on rail about 70% hit and geez I was always making something and it was so much easier to control white ball I broke an ran 2 out of 6 but should of been 3, this was on a valley in league

tonight I was playin on a dynamo table broke same place and was in action racing to 7 broke and ran 4 and snapped 9 once, it was very exciting and im sticking with this break

anyone else tried it or have any reasons for against etc> surely I haven't stumbled upon this by myself lol
 
actionplayer said:
hit my first 5 pack tonight and it was because I moved my cue ball along headstring

I see most of top players and amateurs especially in bar table 9 ball break from the rail, I believed the concept was hit them hard (no magic rack) squat the cue ball try make wing ball and one ball goes up table opposite side to broke from for a shot

well this was inconsisten for me I scratched more often than I liked and never felt hit the balls clean all the time the spread wasn't aalways there

so I broke couple weeks ago from middle of center diamond and 1st diamond, pretty straight hand on rail about 70% hit and geez I was always making something and it was so much easier to control white ball I broke an ran 2 out of 6 but should of been 3, this was on a valley in league

tonight I was playin on a dynamo table broke same place and was in action racing to 7 broke and ran 4 and snapped 9 once, it was very exciting and im sticking with this break

anyone else tried it or have any reasons for against etc> surely I haven't stumbled upon this by myself lol
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For me it depends on the table. I go back and forth between bar boxes and 9 footers. When I break on the 9 footer I break from the die with the attempt to make the wing ball, send the 1 up table, and put the cue ball near the headstring in the center. When I am breaking on a bar box I break from just a couple inches off center with the attempt to make the wing ball cross into the opposite corner, move the 1 up table and squat the cue ball dead center. I make a ball pretty consistently on both table sizes.
 
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I've always broke from around, if not on, the spot. I've tried it from the side but didn't like losing the cue ball.
 
3 inches directly to the right of the spot works for me and hit the one ball head on just below center english of the cue ball. 75% of the time at least one ball goes. Just below center acts like a stop shot when I hit it correctly and the cue ball will stay close to center table.
 
actionplayer said:
tonight I was playin on a dynamo table broke same place and was in action racing to 7 broke and ran 4 and snapped 9 once, it was very exciting and im sticking with this break
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Good job! But, that's a 4pack, not a 5pack. Still impressive, even on a valley!
 
In my experience the closer I break to center the more likely I am to make the 9b being hit by another ball coming off a rail. Easier to control whitey, as well.

Breaking from the side by the cushion typically, for me, results in more balls potted on the break, but is a bit harder to control whitey. I like breaking from here as it provides me better runout %.

If I'm up comfortably in a match or the side break simply isn't working well, then I will break from near center.

Congrats to the op on his 4 + 1. :thumbup:

see if you can keep it going but changing conditions and such always make it challenging..

best,
brian kc
 
the break is a fickle mistress; as soon as you think you have it figured out she runs away and more often than not it's back to the drawing board.

my personal break works well when i'm winning and when i'm not wining, i tend to experiment. usually i break from the first diamond to the left of the right corner about 3-4 inches off the rail. i usually bag them pretty strong and try to place the cue ball in the middle of the table. as far as trying to make any certain ball, i try and make the 1 ball in the left side pocket. sometimes the 1 ball banks one rail to the right side pocket.

more often than not the one is prevented from reaching any pocket and when i'm running bad whitey is smacked into a pocket and i take my seat waiting for a chance at the table. more often than not i get that chance.

i don't practice the break that much. i spend the majority of my practice time on position play and shot making.
 
Assuming the rack is tight, I'm always looking to hit the 1 ball straight in line with the ball behind the wing ball. I almost always break from the spot where this line is straight for easy CB control, so a little to the right of the left diamond. This angle gives me great success in pocketing on the break and keeping the CB center table. I break like this on any size table. On 9ft tables, not only do I have a high percentage of making a ball, but I often make like 3, and because I don't soft break, I mostly meet the "legal break" standard of 3 balls behind the string/pocketed. I sometimes break from the side rail and cut the 1 ball for the same angle but CB control is not as consistent for me.
 
ive broke off back rail for about 20 years now, about 6" right of center...I like breaking off back rail better because cue stick doesn't try to side like it does breaking from side rail.
 
DAVE_M said:
Good job! But, that's a 4pack, not a 5pack. Still impressive, even on a valley!
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ah killing my dreams haha

yes I was confused about that because heard earl ran 11 pack for the million but he made couple combos and snapped the 9 too so was it a 11 pack?

anayway whatever it was ill take it
 
it was just confising to me as I watch a lot of pool (maybe not enough) and I do not see people break for me. I watced the us bar table albeit magic rack white diamonds music open etc and actually only player I seen break from wher I did was archer at music city, think he actually won but still shane skyler all top guys all break from side rail granted they have better touch than I but was just curious

ill keep you posted the guy I beat wants double or nothing tonight giving him the 7,8 so we'll see if I can reproduce
 
DAVE_M said:
Good job! But, that's a 4pack, not a 5pack. Still impressive, even on a valley!
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No, that's still a 5 pack. any rack where your opponent does not get a turn and you get out (whether snap, combo or break and run) and done in succession with other racks all count towards the package.

Break and run
Break and run
Break and run
Break and run
9ball Snap

...is still a 5 pack, its 5 racks in a row where your opponent did not get a turn.
 
Icon of Sin said:
No, that's still a 5 pack. any rack where your opponent does not get a turn and you get out (whether snap, combo or break and run) and done in succession with other racks all count towards the package.

Break and run
Break and run
Break and run
Break and run
9ball Snap

...is still a 5 pack, its 5 racks in a row where your opponent did not get a turn.
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You sure? If that's the case, I've run a 5 pack a few times, because of snapped nines or early combos.

The most racks that I have ever, broke and ran a full rack, is three.
 
DAVE_M said:
You sure? If that's the case, I've run a 5 pack a few times, because of snapped nines or early combos.

The most racks that I have ever, broke and ran a full rack, is three.
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Positive. Hell, 2 snaps back to back is technically a 2 pack. That's why Earl's million dollar run is an 11 pack.
 
The one variation I made was to play from one diamond down from the head rail and one diamond in from the left side. Seemed to work quite well when I played on bar tables most of the time. Bridged off the head rail.
 
DAVE_M said:
Well poop. I apologize to the OP, I guess my five pack stands as well LOL
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no worries, I was still taking it anyway

however wasn't that why earl did not get the million because it was deemed a no true 11 pack?

well my next goal is to run 5.6.7. obviously I play APA so my goal is to shut someone out 75-0 ideally with all packages but if not still cool
 
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