De Er Le Cup Chinese 8-Ball World Championship?
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Thanks! The uploader has some other good videos too!
Daz looked pretty damn pleased to win that one. Thanks for link, will watch more of it at the weekend.
Well, it's certainly got the forum talking. Is C8B a sleeping giant? The Chinese have thrown some money at snooker and if the way they are going to throw it at pool is through this game then maybe it will be more than a passing fad - and those of us like me who aren't keen on it from what I consider a purist point of view will have to accept that it's where it's at the elite level?
Well, it's certainly got the forum talking. Is C8B a sleeping giant? The Chinese have thrown some money at snooker and if the way they are going to throw it at pool is through this game then maybe it will be more than a passing fad - and those of us like me who aren't keen on it from what I consider a purist point of view will have to accept that it's where it's at the elite level?
given all the top snooker participants I'm a little surprised Ronnie didn't enter
he always seems to need cash as he burns thru it fast and could be awesome at the game
having said that, he's a bigger head case than Earl and I could see frustration wearng on him the moment things don't go his way while the other snooker entrants are consumate professionals
he always seems to need cash as he burns thru it fast and could be awesome at the game
having said that, he's a bigger head case than Earl and I could see frustration wearng on him the moment things don't go his way while the other snooker entrants are consumate professionals
He reached four world championship finals in a 7 year period from 2008-2014 and won three of them. The time he lost, he kep his head but Mark Selby found a way to beat him. Ronnie 2015 is nothing like the Ronnie of old and a 53 year old Earl is a bigger head case than a 39 year old Ronnie.
Having said that, I agree he might get frustrated when things don't go his way playing 8 ball pool. Make the C8B pockets even tighter though, to cut down on break and runs and runouts - and he'd be pretty much unbeatable with a good head while his eyes are still good.
I would rate Neil Robertson and Mark Selby as better pure potters than Ronnie. Ronnie's brilliance is break building and perhaps superior CB precision when in stroke. Also, Neil and Mark have much more experience with 8-ball patterns and strategy and are known as patient players, especially Selby. With those things in mind, I wouldn't have rated Ronnie as a top 8 chance.
I have no idea how much experience Ronnie has with 8 ball patterns but my guess is he has played a fair amount of E8B in his time, just not to a high tournament level or in recent years. Robertson and Selby are de facto better pure potters because they have to be - their snooker records are no match for Ronnie's and their potting is not enough.
Yes, if Ronnie had entered this tournament he wouldn't be a bet for top 8, I agree 100%. Tighten the pockets though and he would be pretty much unbeatable.
Yes, if Ronnie had entered this tournament he wouldn't be a bet for top 8, I agree 100%. Tighten the pockets though and he would be pretty much unbeatable.
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I agree on Robertson, but I wouldn't call Selby a better pure potter than Ronnie.
Thanks for posting! awesome match.
BTW... at: 4:15:45.. Selby was up 19-18 shooting the 7 to get position on his case ball (the 5). He chose to leave himself a tough cut down the long rail (which he ended up missing). Instead, i think playing to carom the 5 into the side off of the 12 ball was a much better choice to both make the 5 and to get shape on the 8.
Given the position of the 12 ball, that side was a huge pocket and a simple 6" draw would have left Selby in perfect position for the 8. Instead, after missing the 5, DAZ plays safe, gets BIH, runs out to make it 19-19.
I'd need some kind of potting stats to argue with you, and I don't. I guess Selby is known more for his grinding than pure potting, so doesn't immediately spring to mind as a super potter along the lines of Robertson and Trump.
Ronnie has little experience with E8B as I understand. He had some guys helping him to learn 8-ball when he competed on the IPT, but he clearly was not comfortable with the game. He was quite easy pickings for Quinten Hann, video is on youtube I think. Quinten was a former top 16 snooker pro and world level English 8 Ball player.
Ronnie's Break & Run percentage was way below the best in the IPT, low 30's from memory... can't see him getting near the 50% the top guys were doing on these tight tables.
I just checked that out, the shot you're suggesting seems alot tougher than than you're suggesting, the camrera angle we have access to doesn't really give us the best view
Mark made the right shot selection imo, the position from 7 to 5 was terrific and he barely missed the 5 by a hair
my second guessing comes on his next shot where he's hooked, I might have intentionally fouled one of daz's balls into a worse position, having said that, mark barely missed a beautiful escape
seems to me like Mark who hasn't played competitive pool in years could dominate this game real soon, and with the prize money and all the snooker guys aware and ready to go grab it, watch out
I would expect Mark and Neil to improve, and other snooker players, but I'd also expect a growing band of Chinese players to keep improving, many of which I'm quite sure are making 147's in snooker practice every so often, much like Chris Melling.
Talent grows from and follows the money!
If Ronnie was motivated anything would be possible. They weren't hitting the break all too hard and he hits shots on or near the rails better than anyone else I've seen and those seem to give guys the most headaches on the chinese table.
He is a great near rail player, but he's never excelled outside of his chosen game and doubt he ever would now.
Not to criticize him, because he has clearly shown some sublime talent over the years. Arguably the greatest break builder of all time, and does it in such a pretty and enjoyable way to watch.
Thanks for your input, Swighey. So, for big single-event pool wins (other than IPT), we now have:
$163,172 -- Efren Reyes, Tokyo 9-Ball, 2001
$100,000 -- Ronnie Alcano, World 9-Ball, 2006
$100,000 -- Daryl Peach, World 9-Ball, 2007
$100,000 -- Darren Appleton, World 10-Ball, 2008
$96,000 (approx.) -- Darren Appleton, China Pool World Championship, 2015
$163,172 -- Efren Reyes, Tokyo 9-Ball, 2001
$100,000 -- Ronnie Alcano, World 9-Ball, 2006
$100,000 -- Daryl Peach, World 9-Ball, 2007
$100,000 -- Darren Appleton, World 10-Ball, 2008
$96,000 (approx.) -- Darren Appleton, China Pool World Championship, 2015