Extreme Spin

BeiberLvr

BeiberLvr

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No point to this thread other than a short ramble about experimenting with spinning the paint off the ball. Which is precisely what I was doing last night. Not really focusing on anything in particular, but just observing the results.

Shot this shot a few times with a ton of left hand spin. I can honestly say I wasn't expecting that to happen. I figured it would come more towards the short rail where I shot from.

The shot was played on a 9' diamond, and I was using a McDermott with a Z2 shaft and Triangle tip.

Try it yourselves, and let us know where your CB ends up.

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The best I could do was to bring the QB back to its starting position. On a very old commercial A.E.Schmidt table.

Good idea though at least I know now. Never thought about it before.

I'll use this when testing strange tables. Could come in handy. :smile:

John
 
The usual way I play that shot is to shoot from the corner pocket (with my stick over the corner pocket and the cue ball two feet out), and bring the ball back to the corner pocket. The question is how far out on the end rail can you hit and still bring the cue ball back to the pocket.

I find using some draw with the side is most effective.
 
These are fun to test the table and your stroke

Trying this with combinations of spin like bob suggested (use a little bottom) can help.

Also try at varying speeds. You want to hit the slowest you can while not letting too much spin wear off the ball.
 
Very interesting. The best I could do was to get it to come back to where I started. The measles ball I was using seemed to show a pretty good amount of spin to it, but the ball just dogged it as it came off the rail. Had to put a fair stroke into it (3 table lengths) to get it to even come back all the way.

Are my rails that bad, or am I just not getting far enough to the left of center? I didn't miscue once in about 20 tries, maybe I just need to get more adventurous.
 
BeiberLvr said:
No point to this thread other than a short ramble about experimenting with spinning the paint off the ball. Which is precisely what I was doing last night. Not really focusing on anything in particular, but just observing the results.

Shot this shot a few times with a ton of left hand spin. I can honestly say I wasn't expecting that to happen. I figured it would come more towards the short rail where I shot from.

The shot was played on a 9' diamond, and I was using a McDermott with a Z2 shaft and Triangle tip.

Try it yourselves, and let us know where your CB ends up.

GMSIHVuK6w8WNITTqLEu.png
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the billiard books say if i remember correctly that with draw and side spin usually all you can get is a 15 point spread to get the cue ball to come back to where it started
you had a 20 point spread and got the cue ball to go past the starting point
thats really something
 
bbb said:
the billiard books say if i remember correctly that with draw and side spin usually all you can get is a 15 point spread to get the cue ball to come back to where it started
you had a 20 point spread and got the cue ball to go past the starting point
thats really something
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Another way to look at this is how much you can change the CB's path from where it would go without any side spin. A 20-degree angle from the corner pocket is almost 3 diamonds over on the opposite short rail, so without sidespin the CB would return to the nearby short rail about 6 diamonds over from its starting place. So if side spin brings it back to its starting place instead, you've changed its path by 6 diamonds, about 40 degrees.

Shooting straight into a rail with sidespin I can change the CB's path by 7-8 diamonds over an 8-foot distance, about 45 degrees (here on my relatively clean pool hall table). I think a straight-into-the-rail shot maximizes side spin effect, so that should be the maximum and the shot you describe (shooting into the rail at an angle) should change the CB's path less - which it seems to do.

Measured this way Bieber changes his CB's path by nearly 45 degrees, which is surprising with an approach angle of 16 degrees. Maybe sticky rails?

pj
chgo
 
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