I think you meant, "I had everything including aim and position locked down before bending to the table, then bent down, confirmed my aim, and fired."
No one finishes aiming, bends down and shoots with both eyes closed--most of the time, anyhow.
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I think you meant, "I had everything including aim and position locked down before bending to the table, then bent down, confirmed my aim, and fired."
No one finishes aiming, bends down and shoots with both eyes closed--most of the time, anyhow.
Nope.
I meant aiming subconsciously. I believe pocketing the ball should be pretty much automatic with someone walking up to the shot and lining up without much effort and dropping into the shot believing they are on the right line. The subconscious pretty much does all of the work with the precise alignment. I dont think anyone can be consistant diligently concentrating on being on the right line everytime.
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Yes, I believe CTE's "mythology of objectivity" is an important part (maybe THE important part) of its value for many users, allowing them to "surrender control" to their subconscious supercomputer while maintaining the illusion of conscious control.
pj
chgo
Again, I think you might be right.
Sorry, you are wrong here.
Check out these overlays I made of both the pivot and the sweep, composed from stills taken at the precise point in time Stan locked onto his initial alignment (basically froze in place). "Pivot Stan" is the darker layer, "Sweep Stan" is the fainter layer ("Ghost Stan"? Lol). He is standing in the exact same place in both methods. There is no ghost hip, no ghost chin, no ghost eyes. Not only is he locked in the same horizontally, he is locked in the same vertically as well. This is remarkable to me, and certainly points to an extremely high level of consistency using either method, if it shows nothing else.
I challenge anybody to put up a video of them just stepping into their alignment along the same shot line twice in a row and see if you get the same results after I make overlays in Photoshop. One caveat, though. You must use a steady tripod like Stan is using or I won't be able to get them 100% aligned using this method.
Sorry your wrong, check out from the hip and leg position going into both shots.
Are you a user of the system?
Objectivity
Recently Ive worked a little on considering what Objectivity really is and how one would connect with it.
I know where I want to hit the ball, My system tells me that its not a worry I have so if I know that much can I objectively deliver?
I don't think its absolutely possible even with Center Ball. I know its not possible when applying English you are thinking about the effect of the spin to the shot line. I think as you get better at it, the more objectivity does avail itself because of confidence but unless you are going to never use spin your need to pay very close attention to what you are doing up to the final stroke with an arrival point in mind considering the object ball path to the pocket I just dont see how complete objectivity is possible.
Recently Ive worked a little on considering what Objectivity really is and how one would connect with it.
I know where I want to hit the ball, My system tells me that its not a worry I have so if I know that much can I objectively deliver?
I don't think its absolutely possible even with Center Ball. I know its not possible when applying English you are thinking about the effect of the spin to the shot line. I think as you get better at it, the more objectivity does avail itself because of confidence but unless you are going to never use spin your need to pay very close attention to what you are doing up to the final stroke with an arrival point in mind considering the object ball path to the pocket I just dont see how complete objectivity is possible.
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Maybe his ass is out a little more on the sweep to the shot line, but his feet are still in the same place. His chin is locked onto the same line, and his eyes never leave the same vertical axis. And different resulting shot lines? There's no ghost cue I can see in the image.
My point is....when Stan is acquiring his visuals ....edge to A and center to edge he's going into the shot at 2 different locations AND ITS OBVIOUS.:wink:
He must have an objective aim point that moves.
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The above highlighted text is a prime example of making statement full of holes and the colored are weasel words.
Why would using ghostball limit someone from letting the subconscious lose whereas CTE does not limit someone?
Wouldn't the releasing of the subconscious be on a user by user basis and really has nothing to do with the activity?
But really being into whatever the activity is to a point there is no thought...ie the Zone? The activity is not the focus, it is secondary, it is the doing that is first.
I use ghost ball.......I do not think about anything. I see I do. So now you can say for a fact the some that uses ghost ball does let their subconscious have control. Purely subjective.
Hi Patrick,
I tend to agree with you here, but then there is a conundrum.
How do we explain the facts & yet have those individuals maintain that placebo effect?
Also, what should Stan be saying about it so that others do not take it for something that it is not?
I know you may not have the answers. I just thought the conundrum should be brought up.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
I think it's best just to say what it is. I think if people understood the system and heard the results of others then they would actually have more trust in it. And faith and persistence is what is needed to make it work imo.
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I think some people develop that trust needed to pocket balls consistantly using the ghost ball methos and the process becomes a subconscious act where they simply walk up to about where the line needed is and drop into the shot believing they will make it while others never get over trying to pin point their line of aim with a very conscious effort... even consciously fine tuning the line once they are down on the shot. This second process I believe brings limited results.
Yeah,
I see your point & that way they would know what they're getting. Which was my point all along.
But then... the curtain is removed so to speak & it loses it's allure of an 'All Powerful Oz'.
I do not mean to imply anything with that analogy. Many great discoveries were not what they were first thought to be.
But, I then wonder if it can be as effective with the curtain pulled back so to speak.
It may quell some frustration for some but it may inhibit progress for others. Hence, the conundrum.
Anyway...
More power to CTE, & Stan, for what CTE actually is.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
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Odd thing is that I've played rather well for more than 45 years by dropping down & then once down getting the actual line.
Now, after finding out that for pool I am actually cross eye dominant, I'm coming down precisely on the shot with no fine tuning.
That is also one reason that I like TOI, it's only two lines CTC or CTE. Well, due to LD shafts, I've added the 1/4 between for some shots, but that's still only 3.
The point is that I think we are all looking to find that balance between conscious & subconscious.
I for one would rather let my subscious play with as little conscious interference as possible for certain aspects of the game. My conscious only needs to get involved when my subconscious asks it a question, mainly just for a clarification. :wink:
Best 2 you & All,
Rick
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Our puny "logic and reason" hasn't dented their armor so far.
Those who agree with what we're saying can still use CTE consciously as a good pre-alignment, visualization and focusing system to aid in using the subconscious effectively. I don't think the "scientific" version of reality hurts CTE.
pj
chgo
Subjectivity, Objectivity neither matter, Participation Matters!
AzBilliards is a wonderful place where we can share and rail against our Aiming Religions all we want but really
Subjectivity of Aiming System, Objectivity of Results of Systems have little effect on the overall Universe and
in a few years none of it will really matter.
We aren't doing so much more here than what competing Pool Rooms do to each other.
We are circulating the allegiance of Players and that's about it.
When Pool is suffering from participation, what should really matter is Participation but try and get
New People into Pool and then you will find out you really have a problem.
Just as it is with Aiming, such as it is with Recruitment and the modality used to do it.
The only thing really producing any New Players is the Pool League System and unless we are
producing some New Players all we are really doing here is being purists and doing very little to help the game.
AzBilliards is a wonderful place where we can share and rail against our Aiming Religions all we want but really
Subjectivity of Aiming System, Objectivity of Results of Systems have little effect on the overall Universe and
in a few years none of it will really matter.
We aren't doing so much more here than what competing Pool Rooms do to each other.
We are circulating the allegiance of Players and that's about it.
When Pool is suffering from participation, what should really matter is Participation but try and get
New People into Pool and then you will find out you really have a problem.
Just as it is with Aiming, such as it is with Recruitment and the modality used to do it.
The only thing really producing any New Players is the Pool League System and unless we are
producing some New Players all we are really doing here is being purists and doing very little to help the game.
Thanks Patrick.
However, I was more referring to newcomers to CTE or those considering it vs. the staunch supporters here.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick