Pat, you don't stand directly behind either line.
Fear of Feel
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Pat, you don't stand directly behind either line.
Rick, you are so blind. I didn't misstate a thing, and everyone knows it. Didn't distort a thing either. YOU said he doesn't pivot or offset, only uses portions of it. That means, to any normal person, he's not using it properly. If he's not using it properly, of course it will be full of holes. But, you used that extremely poor example as yet another ringing endorsement that CTE is flawed.
You have more posts in this thread than anyone except the OP. And, you have yet to actually add anything positive to the thread. As usual.
Everything he say's makes sense to me.:wink:
You guys use 1 line of aim (eta plus a pivot)to make a shot (THE 5 SHOTS) from 15 to around 37 degree's and add a shift to change the cut angle. It's know different then me doing the same thing and starting at the 3/4 mark on the ob and adjusting to the right spot.. Good luck with that.
I thought you said you understood how to use it? Where are you getting this "one line" stuff from? CTE uses two lines for those shots.
Cookie,
He was brought into it in a conversation with RON because like RON, I & others, he has made the same determination & because he is one of the best/better players in my area & he obviously did his testing of CTE & found it to be full of holes as have others, including myself. When asked he almost yelled it. However he told me that he uses it on certain shots when he is not sure by another of his methods (which is rare), as a check, because he knows where the holes are & it can tell him if the shot at hand is in one of the holes or if it is one of the 'on' shots. He is using part of it as a tool, as RON suggested he intends to do.
He does not shoot with it because as he almost yelled, he too has concluded it to be full of holes.
You can disregard the whole thing. I never thought that you or any CTEer would consider what another very good player has to say when it is not in agreement wit you.
However Ron & others like him might want to take it into consideration along with other things when coming to their own determinations as they should.
Best 2 You & All,
Rick
Facts for those care
Then there is no objective instruction for how to align yourself with "CCB" - it's just "find a way to look at these lines so the cut angle looks right". How do you know that your position between those lines is the correct position? You learn to "recognize it when you see it" through trial and error.
And (to skip ahead a little) if you can learn to recognize the alignment for a 1/2 tip pivot, then you can learn to recognize the alignment for no pivot - so what's the purpose of the pivot? I believe the real purpose of the pivot is to make final corrections using your "aiming intuition". I'm not saying anybody's lying about how they use it - just that aiming is so exacting that they don't know they're making small final corrections.
So, to answer the question, "where's the subjectivity?" (again):
"Acquire the visual" + "pivot/sweep" = subjectivity/feel. There's undoubtedly more subjectivity/feel in the entire process, but that's the most obvious place.
pj
chgo
I can't bring myself to ignore your mischaracterizations.
You are confusing two totally different points in time.
It is NOW that he is not considering any pivots, etc, when he is using, I assume just the visual alignments, as a tool.
I did not say that he did not consider or use them when he was giving CTE a go.
I have to make so many posts to correct all of your & Cookie's distortions & mischaracterizations to suit your intentions.
May those Blessings come your way...ASAP.
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Rick, we agree on some points, but not all.
I find big claims of exactness, accuracy, objectiveness, etc., annoying and sometimes humorous. This can be applied to almost anything that is being sold or has strong support from users. Aiming systems, low deflection shafts, playing styles, mechanics, etc..
Whether or not they meet the big claims is not a huge concern for me. It's more about if I can get some kind of benefit from it. Enough benefit to buy the LD shaft or adopt the aiming system or change my mechanics.
Some may get a lot of benefit, some a little, some no benefit. We are all different.
In my circle of pool friends, when we talk methods, mechanics, equipment, it's a fun conversation. Sometimes people agree, sometimes not. In the end, we don't really care if we agree. We go out and play pool.
Pat, I'm really starting to wonder if you have watched more than 5 minutes of videos on the subject with the questions you are asking.
The problem seems to be that you're talking about a "center" on the CB's surface rather than its "3D" center (inside the CB). From the CB's 3D center, there's only one CTC line, no matter where you stand. And if you align a new CB "surface center" with the OB center, that line won't pass through the CB's 3D center - so it's not a real CTC line.
pj
chgo
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I recognize that as the signal that we've reached the end of your patience to explore these details for now. Thanks for going as far as you did.
pj
chgo
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Ron,
I did not see anything THERE where we would not be in agreement.
I'll just leave the part I think to which you are referring where we disagree alone other than to say, I'm rather older than you & am not so concerned about building my game but am more concern about those, like you, that are trying to build their games.
Best to 2 & All,
Rick
Its obvious you wouldn't wanna learn what I know, some of you wanna do things the hard way
That's exactly what i figured your response to be. Keep dropping in with your opinions though.
For any system to be effective, there must be some effective method in it in order to be able to determine how to make adjustements for a miss.
It appears for CTE, the standard answer for a miss is that one did not use or get the correct visuals.
Ghost ball contact patch does provide a effective method for making adjustments if one understands the role distance from the pocket the OB plays in moving the OB direction of travel end point.
Moving the Ghost Ball contact patch around the OB moves the Object Ball direction of line end point in the opposite direction the Ghost Ball contact is moved.
How much the Object Ball direction of travel end point moves depends on the distance the Odject Ball direction of travel point pivot, which is the same point as the Object Ball contact patch, is from the pocket and how much the Ghost Ball contact patch is moved.
If the Ghost Ball contact patch is moved x and the Object Ball contact patch is y from the pocket, the Object Ball direction of travel line end point will move z.
If just the Object Ball contact patch is moved away from the pocket, the a Object Ball direction of travel end point will move more when the Ghost Ball contact patch is moved the same amount when the Object Ball contact patch was at y distance from the pocket.
This is how to objectively discuss a shot......using standards and terminology that can be seen and used by anyone.
Now how I see to get the CB there is a whole different matter.
Just saying you did not get the correct visuals is pretty weak in helping one to improve their game.
It appears for CTE, the standard answer for a miss is that one did not use or get the correct visuals.
Ghost ball contact patch does provide a effective method for making adjustments if one understands the role distance from the pocket the OB plays in moving the OB direction of travel end point.
Moving the Ghost Ball contact patch around the OB moves the Object Ball direction of line end point in the opposite direction the Ghost Ball contact is moved.
How much the Object Ball direction of travel end point moves depends on the distance the Odject Ball direction of travel point pivot, which is the same point as the Object Ball contact patch, is from the pocket and how much the Ghost Ball contact patch is moved.
If the Ghost Ball contact patch is moved x and the Object Ball contact patch is y from the pocket, the Object Ball direction of travel line end point will move z.
If just the Object Ball contact patch is moved away from the pocket, the a Object Ball direction of travel end point will move more when the Ghost Ball contact patch is moved the same amount when the Object Ball contact patch was at y distance from the pocket.
This is how to objectively discuss a shot......using standards and terminology that can be seen and used by anyone.
Now how I see to get the CB there is a whole different matter.
Just saying you did not get the correct visuals is pretty weak in helping one to improve their game.
Hey Duckie:
I am a technical, scientific, mathematical thinker. Always have been and it's been further emphasized through education and my career path.
I totally understand what your wrote, understand the terminology,understand the standards, understand your sketches.
However, if I asked my pool friends to read that or showed them your sketches, many of them would reply, WTF does that mean.
Do you use pro1 on every shot?
sure do..............