I'm curious about this one. I have always assumed that the base of the cue ball - the part that touches the table - has to be behind the line, but that the forward edge of the ball could be over the line.
Illegal Subsitute - FORFEIT
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I'm curious about this one. I have always assumed that the base of the cue ball - the part that touches the table - has to be behind the line, but that the forward edge of the ball could be over the line.
Same here. If it's actually no part of the ball could cross the headstring I could call at least half the matches a night in league illegal ( not that I would ).
That's what I always thought too... but I really did not want to argue about it, and let it pass. My bad thinking it would "calm" them all down... it did not.
Yep. I always out smart the other side. Thanks for noticing. I'm guessing you would be the guy making threats over a pool game, right ?
And obviously still butt hurt that I would NOT go into biz with you to sell magic chalk. Sorry, don't need your help, not sure why that offends so much. But I do enjoy the nasty PM's.
I never asked to go into "biz", lol?? As far as the "nasty" PM's go, who PM'd who first flinging mud? That's right, YOU DID. Again, play the poor, innocent, little victim.
No, I wouldn't be the guy making threats. I don't have to threaten anyone. That's childish. I'm the guy that "finishes". You should learn the difference.
Out smart? No kidding! You genius!
I think you did the right thing RJ. They got what they deserved.
Pool chalk is getting out of hand. I'll play you or the, lol, "finisher", with whatever is on the table. Sheep invest in chalk to improve their games.
You play Sarge yet? Good luck if not.
Pool chalk is getting out of hand. I'll play you or the, lol, "finisher", with whatever is on the table. Sheep invest in chalk to improve their games.
You play Sarge yet? Good luck if not.
Yeah, I think he's ducking me
Actually, he was too busy snapping off the Masters 8ball title !!
This part is OK with me, in fact I'd love this. It's when they start coming up with "rules" that they heard but aren't really rules that ticks me off - you can't move the cue ball with your stick when you have ball in hand, or lay your stick down on the table, or you didn't call the straight-in 8-ball, etc.
Or lay a piece of cloth over the metal Valley corner edges to protect a cue more valuable then the pool table itself. How that even bothered anyone is beyond me.
Nobody has called this on him in the past, and it's not like he doesn't play a LOT or folks don't know him. He won the IL State ACS Open 8 ball in 2013, and the IL State ACS Advanced 8 ball in 2014. Not to mention many local tourneys in the area. I mean, who calls that crap on someone, but complains because then someone calls illegal substitute on them
if i read this correctly ....this tournament had nothing to do with a regular league session. you were playing in a handicap tournament and your handicap was based on your current league s/l. amirite ? if so the drama you speak of had nothing to do with league play.
now according to the majority of forum members apa players " especially s/l 3's don't have the cojones to gamble ...even cheap sets. i am inclined to this this " chick " was pretty accurate in her assesment of your s/ since every one knows there ain't an apa 3 existing that will gamble
how long ago was this ? having watched you play i would say you are at an apa s/l 6 now.
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if i read this correctly ....this tournament had nothing to do with a regular league session. you were playing in a handicap tournament and your handicap was based on your current league s/l. amirite ? if so the drama you speak of had nothing to do with league play.
now according to the majority of forum members apa players " especially s/l 3's don't have the cojones to gamble ...even cheap sets. i am inclined to this this " chick " was pretty accurate in her assesment of your s/ since every one knows there ain't an apa 3 existing that will gamble
how long ago was this ? having watched you play i would say you are at an apa s/l 6 now.
Trying to imagine what kind of spot the typical apa 3 would need and how long it would take to find one that knows what 1p is, much less how to play it. As i tell my friends.. ill play a(n apa) race for $5.. or I'll give you an extra spot and we can play for $10. :thumbup:
if i read this correctly ....this tournament had nothing to do with a regular league session. you were playing in a handicap tournament and your handicap was based on your current league s/l. amirite ? if so the drama you speak of had nothing to do with league play.
now according to the majority of forum members apa players " especially s/l 3's don't have the cojones to gamble ...even cheap sets. i am inclined to this this " chick " was pretty accurate in her assesment of your s/ since every one knows there ain't an apa 3 existing that will gamble
how long ago was this ? having watched you play i would say you are at an apa s/l 6 now.
Yes, this was years ago.
My issue was I was gambling cheap 9 ball waiting on a 8 ball tournament, and some chick wanted to whine about me. My ranking was actually a SL3, weather or not that was appropriate might be another argument but if you are running a tournament based on SL, then it shouldn't be able to manipulate it on a whim.
But it is just an example of league player mentality of some, not all, but some.
Lesson learned for me.
Ken
Ok, played in IL ACS State Tourney. Played a team that did the following;
Match was to start at 9am. they were still hitting balls till 9:05am. Then come over and say, Ok, we're ready to start.
I tell the guy, hey, one of our guys is still in the restaurant paying his check. His exact reply, "that's not my problem".
Then, when a teammate is breaking, they call illegal, as the head of the cue ball was over the "line". My team mate gives a look like, who cares, and moves it back, literally one inch.
We are playing on Valley Tables, with the shiny metal around the edges. Guy on my team, puts down a piece of 4x4 inch piece of cloth over the metal rail part in the corner when he shoots from there so as not to scratch his cue. Being doing that for years. The other team, jumps up, and says "you can't do that", calls a ref over, they discuss for nearly 5 minutes, and the ref says you can't use the cloth. Ok, no biggie, he shoots without it.
Now, we are in the final round, close score, two very good teams. They turn in their roster for the final round, for the last 5 games to decide (we are in losers bracket, so loser goes home).
The first game is played, and second game is getting under way as the last game of the last round just got completed.
The captain says he needs to make a change to the line up. I looked up at him and said, "really" ? After all your complaints, now you want a favor from us?" He says, he can't play the guy who is shooting fourth, cause their guy and our guy had already played each other. You can't play same person more than once. Thus, why you need to be aware of your substitutes in team events. Once you turn in your roster you can't change it, because then you saw our roster moves as well.
So, I tell him you put your sub in the wrong spot when you subbed him in, and that's your fault not mine. He stated, not nicely, I might add, that "you're going to hold us to that, that's bs" I never said I was going to hold them to it, just letting him know he made a mistake, and see how he reacts...well, he tried the vinegar approach, which I'm not personally fond of, and much prefer the honey method :thumbup:.
Now, I'm kinda pissed, and said, god damn right I am, and went over and got a ref, who ruled it was an illegal sub, and the game is a forfeit, and pretty much giving us the match if we don't let them run out the last game. Amazing, if they had been the least bit respectful or good sports, we most likely would have given them a pass, and said, oh, honest mistake, but not they way they went about things.
Now, they are calling us "cheaters" for the final game, crying and moaning, what a bunch of cheaters we are... even threatening violence because of it. I still have to pot some balls in my last game to cinch it. He ran out to the 8 and missed. I think I only needed 4 balls, but ran out just for fun.
The one brave sole on their team, the captain was so courageous, 6 feet tall, and about 35, that he walked over to threaten me, the oldest guy on the team at 52, and limping from two recent knee surgeries for my left ACL, bypassing our very own 29 year old 6'5" 260 pound guy on the team. LOL. I laughed at him and said take your best shot cause I'm gonna own you afterwards, and hoped he had a nice house
Then one of the guys followed us to our next match so he could tell the other team how much we cheated. Now, the other team is from the same pool room as us, and we are all friends.
So, I walk up like I don't know them, while the other guy is telling them what happened. So I agree that we cheated, and that we put some serious moves on them, and said it usually doesn't work against the smart teams, but the yokels from Southern Illinois fall for it all the time. He then walked away not knowing what to say or do. Ok, was not nice on my part, but I was a little tired and pissed he had the gall to follow us to our next match.
First and only time we ran into a problem in a state or national event. But I promise, my "cheating" days are behind me for good
Good for you. I'm a big fan of justice.
Unfortunately, the opposing team probably didn't learn anything helpful from the experience based on how they responded, so you can count on them to continue to act like ignorant idiots.
Saw quite a bit of nonsense this year at the State tourney. I really choose to ignore it all and just play. We never check players, substitutions, cloth on the table, team shirts etc...............none of those things will give any team the edge IMO! When they act like tools, I choose to ignore them even further. I give them none of my time at all. Typically as you progress through the ranks you see less and less of this activity.
The one that disturbed me this year, was during the juniors. The table next to my son had a 14 and under match going. The Mom of one of the players had a ref come over, because her Son's opponent did not have a collared shirt. Of course the player didn't know what was going on, nor did the Mom's son.
The Father of the boy with no collar started berating the Mother calling it a cheap way to get to a win etc...Then yelled at his Son for talking to the other boy.
Some random woman stepped up and gave the boy a shirt so he could play.
I see both sides of this situation. The Mom was right, and the Father who was upset was right. However, the kids are the kids, let them talk and be kids...................it all just became very awkward. People just need to read the rules!!
If it were me, I would have said "hey Dad, just FYI, your Son needs a collared shirt to play.....I'm not going to say anything, but want you to be informed if he progresses here and someone calls you on it!" I think this would have been a much better approach!
POOL DRAMA.........................HATE IT!
The one that disturbed me this year, was during the juniors. The table next to my son had a 14 and under match going. The Mom of one of the players had a ref come over, because her Son's opponent did not have a collared shirt. Of course the player didn't know what was going on, nor did the Mom's son.
The Father of the boy with no collar started berating the Mother calling it a cheap way to get to a win etc...Then yelled at his Son for talking to the other boy.
Some random woman stepped up and gave the boy a shirt so he could play.
I see both sides of this situation. The Mom was right, and the Father who was upset was right. However, the kids are the kids, let them talk and be kids...................it all just became very awkward. People just need to read the rules!!
If it were me, I would have said "hey Dad, just FYI, your Son needs a collared shirt to play.....I'm not going to say anything, but want you to be informed if he progresses here and someone calls you on it!" I think this would have been a much better approach!
POOL DRAMA.........................HATE IT!
This says it all right here. Good post.
I seen some weird things happen at the team MI BCA state tourney this past weekend.
And we were right in the thick of it. lol
Team match is played on 2 tables at the same time.
Table 1 ,,opponent has 8 ball only on table,,surrounded by stripes and has no good way to hit 8,,,,for a legal hit. But he is aiming up a 2 rail kick for a legal hit.
Our player ,on table 2, tells our player on table 1,, that he should call a ref to watch the hit.
Immediately,,opponent on table 2 says that is a foul. That he cannot tell him to get a ref.
Ref comes over and confirms,,it is now BIH to opponent on table 1. He won the game because of it.
lol
After this happened ,we realized that the guy who called this a foul,,,cannot say that this was a foul!!!! Since it wasn't his game!!! LMAO
We was all laughing about it. Too bad we didn't think of it a few minutes earlier. The poor Ref would have been confused!!!
And what a terrible rule.
It is something like this. When player does not have control of the table,,,your team mates CAN talk to him. But you cannot tell him to get a Ref!!! WTF???
There was more BS calls later too. This was the worst run state tourney I have ever seen!!!! They changed times on schedule to a earlier time and people forfeited their matches because of it!!!
And some were out of tournament because of it.
People running it ,,didn't care!!! They announced "some" players to their matches over PA. And others they did not announce!!!!
And we were right in the thick of it. lol
Team match is played on 2 tables at the same time.
Table 1 ,,opponent has 8 ball only on table,,surrounded by stripes and has no good way to hit 8,,,,for a legal hit. But he is aiming up a 2 rail kick for a legal hit.
Our player ,on table 2, tells our player on table 1,, that he should call a ref to watch the hit.
Immediately,,opponent on table 2 says that is a foul. That he cannot tell him to get a ref.
Ref comes over and confirms,,it is now BIH to opponent on table 1. He won the game because of it.
lol
After this happened ,we realized that the guy who called this a foul,,,cannot say that this was a foul!!!! Since it wasn't his game!!! LMAO
We was all laughing about it. Too bad we didn't think of it a few minutes earlier. The poor Ref would have been confused!!!
And what a terrible rule.
It is something like this. When player does not have control of the table,,,your team mates CAN talk to him. But you cannot tell him to get a Ref!!! WTF???
There was more BS calls later too. This was the worst run state tourney I have ever seen!!!! They changed times on schedule to a earlier time and people forfeited their matches because of it!!!
And some were out of tournament because of it.
People running it ,,didn't care!!! They announced "some" players to their matches over PA. And others they did not announce!!!!