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Use a metronome, and practice breathing. Helps to create tempo. Record the session while playing pool and count from the time the hand hits the table to the time the player stands up. Most great players have a specific time on the shot,mor thier own tempo.
Use a metronome, and practice breathing. Helps to create tempo. Record the session while playing pool and count from the time the hand hits the table to the time the player stands up. Most great players have a specific time on the shot,mor thier own tempo.
Have him count 1, 2, 3.....whenever he feels good, swing the bat. After awhile he wont need to count anymore.
^talk to this guy
I think you need to elaborate on this for anyone to be able to help. GL
Matt
As others have said, your question is somewhat broad. But I will relate a funny story.
As most people here know, it is critical to pause in the set position--aiming is done, tip is at the cueball, body is in place, gaze is switched to the target area, and you're ready to pull the trigger on the business stroke.
What most people don't know is just how hard it is to get students to do this, particularly students who have been playing a long time. We've tried one-mississippi..two-mississippi... We've tried standing over them and telling they cant pull the trigger until we say so. We've tried showing them videos of SVB shooting and having them time his set pause and then also having them time the set pauses--if they exist at all-- of the bangers out at the pool tables.
Once an hour has passed and they've eaten a cheeseburger or checked facebook, the pause is short again --frustrating.
So here was the solution in the class we taught a few weeks ago. We required all eight of them, when they got into the set position, to relax their minds and their muscles and recite outloud the following mantra:
"My Name in Iningo Montoya; You killed my father; Prepare to die."
So far this is the first group of students who collectively have OWNED the set pause...
I think it's safe to assume that the original poster was wanting to talk about it on this forum, for not only his benefit but all of ours.
sorry guys, I didn't realize that it would of been that broad of a topic, I always felt that it meant one thing so thanks for pointing that out. I guess there is more that will be learned here.
I my mind that and another who I would have to say is qualified to discuss the matter we have always referred to "timing" as being the point between pulling the trigger and the end of the stroke. This sometimes is a bigger or as big an issue for some that can't deliver a proper stroke on a shot, mostly follow. i.e. if a player is anticipating the hit then you find that they almost end the stroke at the point of contact and not after, if you looked carefully it will look like a jerk or slap stroke (something that would be nice to see on Slomo's cam).
adjusting this can be either adjusting the bridge length, adjust the grip hand position to further back or forward even having the person choke up on the shot. But this does not work for all as there are some who for the most part have a good stroke but have a "Timing" issue.
If i am right in explaining that and correctly naming what is taking place I would like to hear other suggestions as to what one can do to help break this out of a player.
p.s. (always thought timing was hitting the ball and player speed was tempo)
I my mind that and another who I would have to say is qualified to discuss the matter we have always referred to "timing" as being the point between pulling the trigger and the end of the stroke. This sometimes is a bigger or as big an issue for some that can't deliver a proper stroke on a shot, mostly follow. i.e. if a player is anticipating the hit then you find that they almost end the stroke at the point of contact and not after, if you looked carefully it will look like a jerk or slap stroke (something that would be nice to see on Slomo's cam).
adjusting this can be either adjusting the bridge length, adjust the grip hand position to further back or forward even having the person choke up on the shot. But this does not work for all as there are some who for the most part have a good stroke but have a "Timing" issue.
If i am right in explaining that and correctly naming what is taking place I would like to hear other suggestions as to what one can do to help break this out of a player.
p.s. (always thought timing was hitting the ball and player speed was tempo)
yanking Gerry. It's very pronounced in some player but very subtle in others, identifying it is key as incorrect info can lead to changing of things not related and the player never understanding why he gets no action on said shot although he's hitting the hell out of the ball.
What does having a timing problem mean to you? Can you give some examples?
Smoothness of stroke. Think of a stroke as being a equivalent to accelerating a driving car vs a drag car. Drag cars accelerate quickly creating lots of twisting force. Same thing goes for a stroke. If you accelerate too quickly you end up twisting your body trying to get the cue to the ball. Think of your stroke as a 1992 Ford Taurus accelerating from a stop light. You realize you have that much more time to strike the cue ball as you intended. It's all about the smoothness of the transition from the cue being stopped on the back stroke to the forward accelerating into the cue ball. Your friend is trying to be like a drag car. Quick, flashy, noisy, and no comfort.
LOL. Is this the same as taking advice from a real estate company called "it's not our land" (so wanted to come with a better one but too tired to think). No but really, although I know what you're talking about for some reason reading it set off a light bulb. Thanks for the input.
A guy called Hits'em Hard talking about smoothness "men i dropped the ball on this one"
One can have a slow smooth tempo & have good timing.
One can have a fast tempo & have good timing.
What type of stroke is your 'client' using?
I'd suggest you give Ms. Crimi more info & listen to what she says.
Good Luck with finding a potential solution.
Best,
Rick
One can have a fast tempo & have good timing.
What type of stroke is your 'client' using?
I'd suggest you give Ms. Crimi more info & listen to what she says.
Good Luck with finding a potential solution.
Best,
Rick
I wouldn't count on that. :smile:
Nobody here saw Princess Bride? Good one Mike, tough crowd I tell ya!
What you said reminded me of something I have said to a few people I have worked with. If their stroke is bad enough they look like they're digging a ditch with a shovel. So I tell em, a cue is more of a sword than a shovel.....stab straight through the ball,
7!
I used to have this very same issue and have worked on it a lot. If you are a visual person I highly recommend going on youtube and watching some pros. A good rule of thumb though is too make sure that your back swing is slower than your forward and the transition is smooth or only has a slight pause for a few reasons. 1. Its easy to pull the cue straight back 2. Your follow through isn't fighting the momentum of your backswing. 3. its near impossible to decelerate through the ball which will mean punching it, miscueing and poor gas mileage! 4. Your cueball control and accuracy willl increase dramatically. It is much easier to "feel" the speed of the shot this way.
Imagine a slingshot, The hammer on a double action revolver, a golf swing (that isnt too crazy). The speed back is almost always slower than forward. Hope this helps!