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lorider

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they made 9 ball call your shot.

gonna vent a little like doug the horse in his better player thread.:D

i know i am known for being one of the few apa defenders on here but i still have some bar rules blood in my veins. :D i have always disliked 9 ball for the slop factor. people on here are always hating on apa for the slop factor but slop is allowed in 9 ball from apa all the way to pro level. before some of you smart asses say ...don't play it if you don't like it ":D " i play it because its a necessary evil in my double jeapordy and masters division.

yesterday in masters league is a prime example for why i hate 9 ball.

1st rack i break and make the 1 ball. i have a shot at the 2 but don't see how i can get on the 3 so i play a safe. my opponent comes to the table ...lokks it over and fires the cue ball at warp speed towards the 2. the cue ball hits the top rail...comes flyig back down table....hits the 5...which hits the 3..which hits the 9 ...which hits the side rail and flies across table and falls into the corner pocket. lets get back to that 2 ball. aint no way he could have made contact with it. the 2 only moved a half inch and since it did move i could not call a foul. if he had made contact with it , it would have gone at least 6 rails as hard as he hit the cue ball. i really believe the air turbulence from that cue ball flying by at warp speed caused that 2 ball to move that half inch.

my opponent says ...wow ! did you see that ? i said yea and i am glad i did . he says ...huh ? i said i would have hated to miss witnissing the most amazing , unbeleivable , lucky ass shot ever made in pool.

next rack he makes the 9 on the break.

next rack he makes another lucky ass combo but not as unbeleivable as the 1st rack after i played a safe.. the only thing that kept me from going full on tilt was knowing if i got at least 2 wins in 9 ball i had a chance to win the match cause i was gonna lock his ass down tighter than fort knox in 8 ball.

well we finished 8 racks of 9 ball tied at 4-4.and move on to 8 ball. all 4 matches he won in 9 ball was due to the slop/luck factor.

8 ball was a different story...i won 3 in a row to win the match 7-4. did i mention how much i hate 9 ball.:D
 
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Rider,

Played Earl on Friday in Erie, Pa. He misplayed a shot and the ball went cross corners and went in. Even the best in the world get an APA from time to time. Truthfully, I'm not tired of the "slop". No different than any other game of nine ball. Eight ball is a different story. There is where APA needs to step in and change the rule. Call ball rules!

Lyn
 
as i have said before ..i am a former bar player and do not slop but i realize it does happen .....be lying if i said i have never been fortunate due to a timely slop shot .:grin:

the thing is...i very seldom have one due to mostly playing pocket speed. maybe i have the attitude i do because there are several players in my area that are good shooters but rely on slop ...a lot...when faced with tough shot instead of relying on safties. it just seems that when they do rely on slop there is a preponderance of good leaves for them if they make something and bad leaves for me if they miss.

i kind of expect that from 4's and below...its just aggravating to see guys my level resort to that all too often in my opinion.

as for slop in 8 ball it may sound strange come from a former bar player but it does not really bother me because i very seldom encounter it. . its too be expected from lower level players and i can fade that.

higher level players do not resort to the crazy ass attempts in 8 ball like they do 9 ball for fear of making an early 8.
 
9Ballr said:
Ok my turn......

"apa would be great if...."

They didn't exist.
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lmao...:thumbup:

on a serious note ...there would probably be a whole lot less pool players than there are today. remember ...they aint nothing but a pyramid scheme.:grin-square:
 
I haven't played in the apa in about 9 years. Actually didn't play pool for that long due to back issues. Got back into it about a year ago when my friends brother asked me to join his thurs night team. I gave it a shot and come to find it wasn't apa or tap. It was something new to me called UPA. It's actually been very fun and you have to call your pocket for ever shot, so no slop. It's fun and better imo and I enjoy it more than the years back when I played in the apa and tap.
 
Slop? I don't think it's such a bad thing. Like lo, I have, on occasion, been the recipient of a timely lucky 3 rail ball that falls in or gets safe. Call it what you want, luck, slop, or whatever. If you don't like it here's what you do, you make all your shots and run out every time. That takes the luck/slop factor out of the game completely.
It doesn't really bother me, never has. The one thing I hate about playing or watching is to have to hear people make excuses, and to me, hearing someone whine about how lucky or how much slop their opponent had is just another excuse. Someone (sorry, I don't remember who) has the tag line on their signature "The more I practice, the luckier I get". That's so true. I'm responsible for my own game, when I miss it's your turn. If you make all your balls you win, if I don't like the way you make your balls I have to learn to not miss.
To hear someone say, "I gave you that one" or "APA slop", that's what bugs me, you gave me nothing, I was trying to win just like you, if you were going to give it away you should have just said so in the beginning and we could have saved the quarters or table time, so don't tell me you gave it away, and APA slop , if you don't like the way I make balls then you should learn not to miss. If you should lose, own it and get better because of it, don't make excuses why. Any whining you might do won't change the result.
 
Whenever I hear a pool player use the word 'slop' I get irked.
It's such a biased word.
I even hear APA twos use it in a disdainful manner.

I got a news-flash for y'all....snooker, the billiard game that produces
the most millionaires, doesn't do call shots.
Three cushion, a very skillful game, doesn't do call shots.

Call shots at rotation games takes more skill out of the game than it
puts in.

The term 'slop' usually comes from players who worry too much about
what their opponent is doing rather than play their own game.

Try this next time you play.....
...give your opponent the table when it's his shot...not just in a socially
graceful manner but in your heart.
Just sit there and wait for your turn and save your energy and willpower
for when you can actually do something in a positive manner.
If you can do this, I will guarantee you will become a better competitor.
 
9 ball has always been just a quick and dirty gambling game. It was designed to be fast, unpredictable, and lucky.

Somehow, over the years it morphed into a favorite game for those who play pool, kicking to the curb real pool.

If I need to mention what game that is, then those who don't know should try bowling

9 ball is what it is, and should never replaced real pool..
 
3andstop said:
9 ball has always been just a quick and dirty gambling game. It was designed to be fast, unpredictable, and lucky.

Somehow, over the years it morphed into a favorite game for those who play pool, kicking to the curb real pool.

If I need to mention what game that is, then those who don't know should try bowling

9 ball is what it is, and should never replaced real pool..
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9 ball wasn't always slop. It became that with the introduction of Texas express rules and that's what everyone seems to play by.

I would say 8 ball has just as much luck as 9 ball.
1) you can lucky and get the suit of balls that our laying open when the others are all locked up...luck
2) in 8 ball if you blow position you can change your out and shoot another ball... 9 ball you either get on your next ball or your playing safe.
Add in all the lucky leaves and easier safes with all the extra balls on the table and they equal out.
As a pro player told me when I said I didn't like 9 ball many years a go. If you watch a good 8 ball player play 9 ball they struggle... But a good 9 ball player has no problem making the transition.
I heard Apa players complaining all the time that they can't figure out why there a 5 playing Apa 8 ball and a 4 or 5 playing 9 ball. They never like my anwser. Lol
 
3andstop said:
9 ball has always been just a quick and dirty gambling game. It was designed to be fast, unpredictable, and lucky.

Somehow, over the years it morphed into a favorite game for those who play pool, kicking to the curb real pool.

If I need to mention what game that is, then those who don't know should try bowling

9 ball is what it is, and should never replaced real pool..
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I forget which member uses a signature line that states something like "the more I practice the luckier I get." Well that how I fell about my 9 ball game. You might be overlooking something about the game 3andstop.
 
Those are regular 9 ball rules, not just APA. The official WPA and BCA rules are no called shots in 9 ball.

I have played in a league where we used called shot on the 9 and even called shot period in 9 and 10 ball. Most like it, some don't.

APA is not-called shot in 8-ball which is where the difference is, aside from needing to call the 8.

lorider said:
they made 9 ball call your shot.

gonna vent a little like doug the horse in his better player thread.:D

i know i am known for being one of the few apa defenders on here but i still have some bar rules blood in my veins. :D i have always disliked 9 ball for the slop factor. people on here are always hating on apa for the slop factor but slop is allowed in 9 ball from apa all the way to pro level. before some of you smart asses say ...don't play it if you don't like it ":D " i play it because its a necessary evil in my double jeapordy and masters division.

yesterday in masters league is a prime example for why i hate 9 ball.

1st rack i break and make the 1 ball. i have a shot at the 2 but don't see how i can get on the 3 so i play a safe. my opponent comes to the table ...lokks it over and fires the cue ball at warp speed towards the 2. the cue ball hits the top rail...comes flyig back down table....hits the 5...which hits the 3..which hits the 9 ...which hits the side rail and flies across table and falls into the corner pocket. lets get back to that 2 ball. aint no way he could have made contact with it. the 2 only moved a half inch and since it did move i could not call a foul. if he had made contact with it , it would have gone at least 6 rails as hard as he hit the cue ball. i really believe the air turbulence from that cue ball flying by at warp speed caused that 2 ball to move that half inch.

my opponent says ...wow ! did you see that ? i said yea and i am glad i did . he says ...huh ? i said i would have hated to miss witnissing the most amazing , unbeleivable , lucky ass shot ever made in pool.

next rack he makes the 9 on the break.

next rack he makes another lucky ass combo but not as unbeleivable as the 1st rack after i played a safe.. the only thing that kept me from going full on tilt was knowing if i got at least 2 wins in 9 ball i had a chance to win the match cause i was gonna lock his ass down tighter than fort knox in 8 ball.

well we finished 8 racks of 9 ball tied at 4-4.and move on to 8 ball. all 4 matches he won in 9 ball was due to the slop/luck factor.

8 ball was a different story...i won 3 in a row to win the match 7-4. did i mention how much i hate 9 ball.:D
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3andstop said:
9 ball has always been just a quick and dirty gambling game. It was designed to be fast, unpredictable, and lucky.
Somehow, over the years it morphed into a favorite game for those who play pool, kicking to the curb real pool.
If I need to mention what game that is, then those who don't know should try bowling
9 ball is what it is, and should never replaced real pool..
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Why is it 'dirty'..?
Sight evidence and links to support your opinion, please.
TY
 
the TAP league requires you to call the pocket on the 9 ball. while we all have had those nights where the opponent seems to get all the "rolls' it is the pool gods paying you back for being bad boy that day. if there is a more legitimate gripe in the APA master's league it would be the 8 ball rules wherein, if you make a ball on the break you are stuck with it and not able to choose, thereby punishing you for making a ball on the break. it can make a huge difference in the outcome of the match!
 
Im not a fan of the slop rules in 9 ball but that's the way they play it. Over heard two players the other day talking about what games they liked, 9 ball because of the slop and they really didn't have to think when playing, 8 ball they didn't like because it was to much like chess , and had issues with 10 ball because of the call shot rule. These two were league players, and APA was what they played.
APA has helped get more people out playing pool, and the rules seem to favor weaker players, and yes those lucky shots have a sting when made against you, but watch how much fun they have when it happens, besides sometimes you see things like that which you can use yourself.
 
GoldenFlash said:
Why is it 'dirty'..?
Sight evidence and links to support your opinion, please.
TY
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Links to support my opinion...... Links to support my opinion. :scratchhead: LMFAO. Quick and dirty is a "saying", it's a freaking saying! HELLO.. ANYBODY HOME IN THERE? Geez ... wtf .... I feel like I'm explaining things to children.

The "saying", probably came before your time ... just like real pool did, and you have no knowledge of either.

Fear not though ... it's not your fault. It's what typically happens when things are generations removed. They are usually morphed into a shadow of what they once were and then twisted into some kind of bizarro version of normal. (here's your link to bizarro)

There's no way you could relate. You know, a lot like society and moral values in general ..... all evaporating into crap without the possibility of next generations having any chance to experience the strong moral values of the past or passing them on to their kids. You know....... like that.

The word dirty in "quick and dirty" most likely implies without polish ... or something to that effect. It is an old generic saying that can apply to lots of things.

It is "MY OPINION" it fits here simply because luck and uncalled shots count as much as any other shots, allowing the game to end faster (hence the quick) and without necessarily a skillful shot from a polished player. (hence the dirty.)

Like the last card dealt in poker .... "down and dirty" what's dirty about the last card?

OH ... you never heard that before either, did you ... because of course, 7 card stud is no longer played either. The only poker you kids know is the crap on TV now, and .... the last card is no longer dealt face down, with that texas hold em garbage .... so wtf is down and dirty?

<sigh> there's no hope ... we're all done. Oh shit .. do I need to research and substantiate that last statement? :speechless: Na ... just turn on the news.
 
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Things change. The world does not exist in a vacuum, it has to evolve. By your logic real football isn't played any more. I submit to you that todays football is a much better game than real football that was once played with leather helmets. Real schools aren't open any more, there are no real farms or real cars, real wars aren't fought anymore? and so on....
Technology and the world change, things get updated.
If you really believed what you are typing you'd be writing us all letters instead of posting on a web page.
But as you said, " It's what typically happens when things are generations removed. They are usually morphed into a shadow of what they once were and then twisted into some kind of bizarro version of normal."
So what you are suggesting is that we all grab our mace, remove the rubber rails and get back to pocket billiards as it was intended to be played?
 
I have never played in the APA but the comments here seem to be around slop in pool. I am now finishing my second session of Call shot/Call safety 10 ball in a masters league. I was concerned in the beginning but have found it to be a good way to play. I like it. If your opponent gets a good roll and accidentally safes you on a missed called shot, you can pass it back. Over the course of matches I have played, this rule hasn't really come in play as often as I thought it would. In 9 ball, the rolls are part of the game. I guess one has to learn to deal with it and make lemonade out of lemons. :thumbup:

Al
 
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