Is it required? No
Does it help? If controlled absolutely, but that's my opinion. What is Shane's average break speed for 10 ball? I am guessing he hits it harder than it appears, but would be curious to see the #s.
Gender Inequality (?)
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Is it required? No
Does it help? If controlled absolutely, but that's my opinion. What is Shane's average break speed for 10 ball? I am guessing he hits it harder than it appears, but would be curious to see the #s.
I read a very interesting article about this, and it seems like women are introduced to the game at a much later age then men.
Dad's do not bring a daughter into a dark place where there are smoke and adult beverages like they would their son. Or teach their daughter at an early age like they would their son.
A lot of women also do not feel comfortable being in that environment at all hours of the night alone.
If I find the article I will post it... it was a pretty good read.
Dad's do not bring a daughter into a dark place where there are smoke and adult beverages like they would their son. Or teach their daughter at an early age like they would their son.
A lot of women also do not feel comfortable being in that environment at all hours of the night alone.
If I find the article I will post it... it was a pretty good read.
This is the part that is so often analyzed incorrectly.
Just because certain shots aren't required very often during match play -- doesn't mean that the players that are more capable of performing them aren't at a distinct advantage over those who struggle with those same shots (if that makes sense – where’s an editor when you need one?)
If you just randomly watch 9 or 10 ball matches you may not see the need for the powerful stroke BUT what many people aren't seeing is which player is operating right at the limit of their stroke's ability. If player A is capable of drawing the cue ball 8 diamonds and player B is only capable of drawing it 4 diamonds player A will be much more comfortable at the table for the majority of their draw shots. Very often, he will only have to use 50 percent of his total ability and the game will be much easier for him. Unlike his opponent, who will have to put forth maximum effort on many more shots. This playing on the edge of one's abilities will eventually catch up to the lesser player.
The same concept could be applied to difficult position shots, kicking, banking, and even breaking.
The apparent simplicity of recent 9 and 10 ball matches have led many astray.
When you watch professional players practice you see the real difference in their strokes and realize that some are just playing a different game than others.
Found it
http://www.pooldawg.com/article/pooldawg-library/gender-differences-in-pool
Really good read from a woman;s perspective.
So here is the thing with top women players in almost any sport that I have noticed.
If you look at them, they are half-way to being men, they probably have a higher testosterone and other manly chemicals being produced. There are not many "girly" women that are good enough to compete with men even at a lower pro level.
Jean
Bill Jean King
Just about every WNBA player.
That soccer player that has been in the news, don't remember her name to find a pic though.
Kind of the elephant in the room. I agree. Locally we have a gay bar in the women's bar league and they are unbeatable. It is not even close. Just saying.
I think his average speed is around 22-23 mph on his 10 ball break. I bet he could easily hit them at 30 mph. If I hit them as good as I could I would be lucky to get 22-23. That's the difference. His 23 mph break is way below what he is actually capable of. This leaves him breaking right in his stroke's comfort zone.
Match play can be very misleading.
If these women are producing more testosterone than the average woman, it's most likely due to their training and competition routines. In other words, it's more likely the result of their career, not the cause of it.
Regardless, a muscle-bound physique is not required to play top level pool.
Like Cleary said, if the number of pool players in the world were equal 50% men and women, I don't think we'd be having this conversation .
Strictly comparing apples to apples, then men play better than the women. There are exceptions of course. The difference in break speed in the rotation games is pretty straightforward. But the other reasons aren't so easy to see.
There might be some differences in approach, but my guess is that it's mostly due to math. I bet 8 out 10 aspiring poolplayers are men (maybe even higher), which gives us a pure advantage simply based on the size of the pie.
Is it any wonder why China did so well in the Beijing Olympics! They're pulling from a pie of a gadzillion people!
I bet if it was closer to half-and-half, the skill gap between the women and men would be smaller.
There might be some differences in approach, but my guess is that it's mostly due to math. I bet 8 out 10 aspiring poolplayers are men (maybe even higher), which gives us a pure advantage simply based on the size of the pie.
Is it any wonder why China did so well in the Beijing Olympics! They're pulling from a pie of a gadzillion people!
I bet if it was closer to half-and-half, the skill gap between the women and men would be smaller.
Overall, aggressive, powerful, sports-minded women have quite a few male features. This also includes the women prison population by the way, it's shown that the more violent women have a higher level of testosterone than average. Not just with pool, but it helps in all sports and competition, when it comes not just to strength but wanting to win, getting driven to beat someone.
It's pretty obvious to see once you put aside the need everyone feels now to make everyone equal and be political correct.
There is a show called Brain Games you can catch on Netflix, there is some scientific studies they show about men vs women and completion and brain functions.
This is all in general terms, Jennifer Baretta is all girl, and is a pretty good player, so are quite a few women in other sports.
If the pool world contained 50% women and 50% men, there would be more women that shot Karen Corr's speed out there and we would have a real basis for comparison.
But as it stands now, the player base is so lopsided in favor of men, it's hard to judge much. There are probably Karen Corrs out there that never pickup a cuestick because they choose to do something different in life.
But as it stands now, the player base is so lopsided in favor of men, it's hard to judge much. There are probably Karen Corrs out there that never pickup a cuestick because they choose to do something different in life.
How many of the top men players can Karen Corr beat? The answer may be none. Even if there were a hundred Karen Corrs the answer may still be the same.
Oh I agree. I'm just saying that some of the disparity is probably due to the pure turnout....and the gap would be smaller if it were 50/50. I still think the men would be better.
Jean coulda run a two pack with a mop head. :thumbup:
I think Karen can play with the best regional players (A+, A++ level). The top 20 US Men like Corey, Shane, Mike D, Rodney, Archer, etc.. she will have issues with but may still win here and there.
If there were 50%men playing pool and 50% women....there would be a lot more men playing pool...Yogi.
This is pointless because all you have to do is look around you. I've seen local players bounce Allison Fisher and Jeanette Lee like they were B players. Jeannie Balukas notwithstanding, you're not see the forest through the trees. If you want to run with your argument you'll have to site MANY women competing with men AS A COMMON EVERYDAY OCCURRENCE rather than spotting a name or two or an incident here or there to back up your claim.
What you say is simply not true...end of story.
ps...your reference to the men's "power game" is similarly misguided. The women could get ALL the breaks and they'd still get smacked. If Karen Corr in her heyday played men's local tourneys year 'round, she'd know what it felt like to be Neslie O'Hare or Mo Seto ...LOL
and btw,,,no one here needs to read a wiki on Balukas
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I betcha anyone under 30 years old barely knows more than her name, if that........it's akin to bringing up Jimmie Moore......like people under 30......generally speaking of course.......would know much about him......that's why Wikki was quoted.
Not to be argumentative but I guess I will be LOL :wink:
If you're asking members about thoughts on Jeannie, then they already know about her and hence the wiki is not needed. People who don't know her and need a wiki could never answer you. :grin-square: Sorry, I'm just being a pain, I know.
And I watched little Landon bounce Earl on a 10ft table.
And a couple of teenage Asian kids bounce Shane.
So what?
You're absolutely right, we would need to see women playing men as a common everyday occurrence to prove which sex is possibly better, but it's not happening, so how can you, or anyone, possibly know who IS better without proof?
What you say is simply not fact based, end of story.
No to be argumentative, but ... I agree 100% with your both points of your post.
Freddie <~~~ not being argumentative!!!