Most overpriced cue?

flyvirginiaguy said:
No way I would pay for a cue beforehand (I could not care what maker it was). A deposit is fair, but that's about it.
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Amen brother. A good friend is always buying custom cues and every time he pays in full up front he gets screwed. I'm talking major cue makers who everyone defends on here like there Jesus. I think a lot of people get screwed around but are afraid of the az back lash if you share your experience.
 
trob said:
I think a lot of people get screwed around but are afraid of the az back lash if you share your experience.
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I certainly would not be worried about backlash of some keyboard warriors in such cases myself (might bother some, but not myself). Gotta put it out there (some won't listen, but many more will). If of course it is legitimate complaints. As I have seen some posts on here turn around to where the seller and/or cue makers really were not the true problem (we all know how they go).
 
Anything retail.

The most overpriced is the one you loose the most money on when selling it.
 
Just compare your shafts to Black Boars....

Well since your shafts are ferrule-less too, perhaps you need to raise the prices of your shafts to $1K like Tony has? Then you can charge $325 for a cue and $1k per shaft. ;)

In all seriousness, I have wondered how your shafts might compare to Tony's. It seems that you both may be on to something.... I also had no idea cuemakers (other than the top end makers) have equipment quite that expensive.

desi2960 said:
i have spent 75k in equipment and 20 years making sawdust, it just seems that $375 for a cue that takes me 3 - 4 months is too much money.
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EVERYONE. actually, theres a couple of cue makers that are really fair, but even the production cues are overpriced. Lucasi is selling $1000 cues.lol.
 
Too expensive

In my opinion the cost of break cues has become a joke. Most guys don't have an extra $300-400 for a break Cue and if you are talking latest and greatest even higher. They have become the "oversized driver" of golf but they don't go down in price accordingly unless they are beaten to shreds.

Rant over
 
RAMIII said:
I've gradually moved into higher end cues and found a real difference in Tascs and Black Boars. While I think Pete's cues are more reasonably priced, I reluctantly admit that my BB plays better than my Tasc. I won't ever buy a new BB, which is why I referred to them as over-priced (mine came by way of an excellent trade), but I was surprised by the ease with which I was making some of the more difficult shots.

I have heard that the secret is in the shaft wood. Both my BB and Tasc have very stiff shafts and tend to hit with more energy than my previous cues. Dennis Searing holds the same view about the importance of shaft wood quality and it sounds like SW has very high standards for their shaft wood too. I wish I knew the answer to what makes these cues so great because I would love to buy a less expensive cue with the same performance, but I think it's going to be tough to find.

Deanoc and/or Larry Viga/us may have the most experience with different types of shaft wood, but I do wonder if perhaps Ash or purple heart might create a similar stiff response given the scarcity of high quality maple shafts?
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This is interesting to me. I'm a huge fan of Tasc's, although I've never seen one in person or hit with one. BB's are nice looking, but no my cup of tea. Could you expand on how the BB out plays your Tasc?

Ben
 
Perhaps it's ivory ferrules?

I've noticed that I am more precise with the BB. Shots requiring extreme precision (tight or thin cut shots, use of extreme right or left draw) cause an object ball to fall more often with my BB than with my Tasc. This may be due to the Tasc having ivory ferrules and throwing the cue ball more than the BB's synthetic ferrules. I've come to enjoy the hit of the BB as well; it has a Ping to it. I do prefer the hit of my Tasc to the BB, which is why I've been reluctant to use the BB as my main player, but so far I'm having a slightly higher percentage of potted balls with the BB. I hope this info makes sense given its subjectivity.....


LuckyStroke said:
This is interesting to me. I'm a huge fan of Tasc's, although I've never seen one in person or hit with one. BB's are nice looking, but no my cup of tea. Could you expand on how the BB out plays your Tasc?

Ben
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Break Cues

Type79 said:
At the moment, anything made from Dymondwood.
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I have no problem with a supply and demand issue. Dymondwood plant burns down, cost of Dymondwood goes up. I am just saying that they big 3 are kind of jamming us like Callaway and Taylor Made did the golfers in the 90's with the "new technology" each year for more money.

OB Break - $420/$470
Predator Break - $469-$519
Tiger Break - $419

Heaven forbid you go into the high end
Mezz Break - $350(5 year old design) - $580
Samsara - Starts over $600

You cant tell me that it is more expensive to build a painted maple cue than most of the players cues out there with veneers and exotic woods. Well, you can, but I wont agree.
 
1. Black Boar- I can remember Tony coming into our hall in 1990 trying to give them away to known great players but the played so bad nobody wanted them because you had to agree to actually play with it. Now they're 20k plus and everyone talks about how great they play, oooooookayyyyy.

2. Southwest- I've hit with more than a few, they play alright but not worth the cost or wait in my opinion.
 
Colonel said:
1. Black Boar- I can remember Tony coming into our hall in 1990 trying to give them away to known great players but the played so bad nobody wanted them because you had to agree to actually play with it. Now they're 20k plus and everyone talks about how great they play, oooooookayyyyy.
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One of the players I remember having one for a while back then was Grady Matthews. He actually did not play with it long.
 
Jewelry?

How does your investment in cues compare to the money put into your jewelry business? I suppose with jewelry there's a greater sense of stable return on your investment whereas there is greater uncertainty with cues.
Tough biz for sure!

desi2960 said:
on lathes i have spent just over 20k, but a lathe is just the start
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If people are willing to pay, it's not overpriced. It's only overpriced to people who are NOT willing to pay. So it is all subjective.

Beyond that, all custom cues are priced according to workmanship and detailing. A basic Hercek plays no differently that an expensive one, but the expensive one has more detailing. Forget materials. You would drop a load if you found out how cheap the material costs are.

I would say all "artsy-fartsy" cues are overpriced. Those cues that were specifically designed NOT to be played with, and were made just for collections or self gratification. My idea of buying something solely for it's looks is not buying a fancy cue. Let me site this ridiculous example http://www.mcdermottcue.com/mcdermott_intimidator.php Not only is it useless and a knight of the roundtable would get totally whacked if he chose this as a weapon, it's ugly, but more importantly, it's value is totally up to the builder. You will find this arbitrary value on pretty much every artsy fartsy cue. A cuemaker builds a cue with lots of ivory and jewels and places an arbitrary number on it's pricing that makes no real world sense.
 
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flyvirginiaguy said:
I never got this "better adhesives" thing. GB's cues hold up really nice with what 50 some years and billions of pool balls hit with them. Coring? Nothing plays like a full splice cue and some old wood.
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The better adhesives thing is just horsesh*t. People still love titlists and still convert them. As far as I recall, no one has been killed by flying titlist points that came out of the cue.

JV
 
trob said:
Amen brother. A good friend is always buying custom cues and every time he pays in full up front he gets screwed. I'm talking major cue makers who everyone defends on here like there Jesus. I think a lot of people get screwed around but are afraid of the az back lash if you share your experience.
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You have no idea how much truth there is to this.

JV
 
trob said:
I think a lot of people get screwed around but are afraid of the az back lash if you share your experience.
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Yep.

I have my own short list of "respected" cuemakers who are holding-up, or have held-up customers on delivering cues or restorations. Some big collectors and respected people known to many on this forum have shared stories with me that would make your hair stand-up.

The problem facing the customer in discussing the problem publicly lies in the fact that he/she is at the mercy of the cuemaker who is holding their deposit, or in the case of a restoration or conversion, their cue(s).

I bite my tongue when these makers are recommended to me.
 
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