The Willie Mosconi "Movie"

Scott Lee said:
Interesting concept, but he's made Mosconi 5" taller than he really was.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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"Willie's game" was a good read. It must have been something to watch him play.

Do you know if his height had some bearing on where he suggests a person should hold the cue or was that the standard instruction of the day?

I tried it his way (I'm quite a bit taller than he is) according to his book on where to grip a cue for years. The first thing you did during my video analysis was move my hand towards the back (almost to the end) of the cue . I immediately had better results from your suggestion (I don't feel as cramped).
 
accustatsfan said:
"Willie's game" was a good read. It must have been something to watch him play.

Do you know if his height had some bearing on where he suggests a person should hold the cue or was that the standard instruction of the day?

I tried it his way (I'm quite a bit taller than he is) according to his book on where to grip a cue for years. The first thing you did during my video analysis was move my hand towards the back (almost to the end) of the cue . I immediately had better results from your suggestion (I don't feel as cramped).
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I also read "Willie's Game" and I agree it was an adventure to read how Mosconi described what it was like to play to win, when times were hard during the depression.

As a point of information, Mosconie utilized the "Slip Stroke" on many of his shots
grip hand slides back on cue just as the cue ball is struck). You can view Mosconi using this stroke at the (6 min) point of the attached youtube link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvXkhdINjS4
 
bigskyblue said:
I also read "Willie's Game" and I agree it was an adventure to read how Mosconi described what it was like to play to win, when times were hard during the depression.

As a point of information, Mosconie utilized the "Slip Stroke" on many of his shots
grip hand slides back on cue just as the cue ball is struck). You can view Mosconi using this stroke at the (6 min) point of the attached youtube link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvXkhdINjS4
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Thank you for the post. I have seen the slip stroke either I missed it when reading or he doesn't mention it in his instructional book.

Too bad some company doesn't (I'm sure its because the money isn't there now otherwise they would do it) sponsor a player or players to give exhibitions like Brunswick did then.

Must have been quite an experience for him to get paid at a relatively young age to travel around and play every day with Ralph Greenleaf.
 
accustatsfan...Glad that's working for you. Yes, Mosconi was quite short. He also played ahead of perpendicular for most shots. As was mentioned, he had a slip stroke for shots where he needed a little more stroke speed.

As I showed you, where to grip the cue is based first on natural bridge length. Then, with the tip on the CB, your grip should be where your hand falls directly under your elbow. This allows accurate striking of the CB at the bottom of the pendulum swing...which is the only time the cue needs to be, and is, as level as possible for the shot.

By the way, I will be back in S. CA Aug. 8-12 if you are interested in any followup. :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

accustatsfan said:
"Willie's game" was a good read. It must have been something to watch him play.

Do you know if his height had some bearing on where he suggests a person should hold the cue or was that the standard instruction of the day?

I tried it his way (I'm quite a bit taller than he is) according to his book on where to grip a cue for years. The first thing you did during my video analysis was move my hand towards the back (almost to the end) of the cue . I immediately had better results from your suggestion (I don't feel as cramped).
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Lesson with Scott????

Scott Lee said:
By the way, I will be back in S. CA Aug. 8-12 if you are interested in any followup. :grin:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Do you ever have plans to be anywhere in Arizona? I would be interested in taking a lesson if you find yourself in Phoenix or Tucson. I am actually in Globe AZ. 90 miles East of Phoenix and about the same Northeast of Tucson. About the only path this way would be for someone going from Phoenix through New Mexico. But I would be happy to drive to Phoenix or Tucson to meet with you.

I will be in S Ca 8-31 to 9-5 but will miss your trip there by a couple of weeks.

Skip Bales
 
Thank you Scott

What was even more valuable to me was you showing me where (the reference point) on my hand the shooting elbow should be lined.

Now I know how to fix it myself, which to me is the big value of having an instructor who can teach the student how to diagnose and correct their own problems.
 
Skip...I sent you a PM.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

skipbales said:
Do you ever have plans to be anywhere in Arizona? I would be interested in taking a lesson if you find yourself in Phoenix or Tucson. I am actually in Globe AZ. 90 miles East of Phoenix and about the same Northeast of Tucson. About the only path this way would be for someone going from Phoenix through New Mexico. But I would be happy to drive to Phoenix or Tucson to meet with you.

I will be in S Ca 8-31 to 9-5 but will miss your trip there by a couple of weeks.

Skip Bales
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D'oh! Good catch. I made the correction. But he was a bit taller before age stooped his shoulders and shortened his spine.
 
bigskyblue said:
This morning I read Matthew Sherman's brief treatment of a proposed "Life of Willie Masconi" movie.

It was EXCELLENT. I was transfixed, I was there in that pool room,
during the thirties era depression, setting on a bar stool next to young Willie
as he hustled a hustler.

Matt, this project is golden.
http://billiards.about.com/od/Updates/a/My-Pool-Movie-Script-Begins.htm
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There already was a Willie Mosconi movie, starring Willie as himself. I think it was about 20 minutes long, done quite awhile ago --- 1950's or 60's maybe?
 
I think it would be a great movie about him. Showing how the game was loved back then and shows the depression and how Willie became the champ and how tough it was back then. And him going on the road to make money for the family, this movie could become really good with good people making it.
 
Met him twice when I was a kid, unhappiest little man I've ever seen.
 
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