efrens cue, dealing with scammers and edge hybrid shaft
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Honestly, I think you hit the nail on the point.
Why would he accuse me of beating up the cue if we already determined that the cue was already like that in the pictures when we up the contrast to max. That proves he's lying right there.
Good questions man,
There are more dings than the pictures I have shown, You can't see the dings on the red brown part of the cue where the grip handle is. However, the pictures I have posted are all individual dents.
The cue was packed really good, There was no possible way that it would get damaged in transport, he did a really good job with the shipping protection of the cue.
He used usps international shipping. You can look up how much that would cost him to ship it to me.
Calculate with usps international shipping from BAYSIDE, NY 11361 to New Brunswick Canada.
Actually here is what he said about the shipping.
Now keep in mind that I gave him 92$ CAD for shipping, why couldn't he use the 73$ fed ex? Isn't that what I paid for? Good shipping.
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The lower the dollar value cue the bigger the headaches.
Not to side with any one, but a description is an opinion. My very good, might be your well played, my excellent might be your very good. So describing a cue is very subjective unless it is MINT, UNPLAYED.
I am disturbed by the initial loving of the cue and the description of the condition, and the acceptance of the cue then vs. the remorse phase. Also I ran "tons" of racks in the e-mail then I ran and hit a "few" racks. There are definitely things that do not add up.
You back doored e-bay and paypal, it does not surprise me that they bailed.
The photos clearly show the faults, you cannot blame the seller for the lighting. I take a lot of photos of cues, sometimes I adjust the brightness/contrast, always to brighten, and sometimes I don't. But you are assuming the seller is proficient or has knowledge of photo-editing software.
Good luck to all...
JV
Not to side with any one, but a description is an opinion. My very good, might be your well played, my excellent might be your very good. So describing a cue is very subjective unless it is MINT, UNPLAYED.
I am disturbed by the initial loving of the cue and the description of the condition, and the acceptance of the cue then vs. the remorse phase. Also I ran "tons" of racks in the e-mail then I ran and hit a "few" racks. There are definitely things that do not add up.
You back doored e-bay and paypal, it does not surprise me that they bailed.
The photos clearly show the faults, you cannot blame the seller for the lighting. I take a lot of photos of cues, sometimes I adjust the brightness/contrast, always to brighten, and sometimes I don't. But you are assuming the seller is proficient or has knowledge of photo-editing software.
Good luck to all...
JV
Yeah I already explained that I ran a few racks and was really happy with the cue being super straight and felt great in the hand while playing, I was focused 100% on running out the racks not looking at the cue and I emailed him to tell him that it was great because as you can tell by now, I am the type of person that will say what's on my mind, look how many emails I sent the guy. It's just the way I am, I like to communicate and interact. I then noticed all the damaged parts that I Showed in the hd pictures and immediately asked for a refund and offered to pay for the shipping my self. I can't play with a beat up cue, it doesn't sit well with my pool game and my mentality. I believe that beat up cues belongs to the people who treat their cues badly and hit things when they are mad. I don't do that and I certainly don't want a cue that's been through that. I can understand why you are on the fence, it's all good you are entitled to your opinion but I can guarantee you that I am just a passionate person and I am by no means trying to scam someone with the end result of losing 92$ cad, that would be a pretty shitty scam attempt.
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See, here's where I am drawing the line;
You say he's scamming and he says you are.
Knock the crap off.
You have buyer's remorse. I have seen a thousand scams in my time here.
You did NOT get scammed. You may not agree with him and feel that the value is different that you expected afterwards, but you were not scammed.
This is the end of this discussion.
You may continue your endeavor of asking him for a refund in private, but there will be no more bashing.
You say he's scamming and he says you are.
Knock the crap off.
You have buyer's remorse. I have seen a thousand scams in my time here.
You did NOT get scammed. You may not agree with him and feel that the value is different that you expected afterwards, but you were not scammed.
This is the end of this discussion.
You may continue your endeavor of asking him for a refund in private, but there will be no more bashing.
I am just presenting facts to the people who have asked me.
The man wasn't happy with the cue he received on the same day he received it after further inspection and the seller refused to refund the buyer the money. The seller already stated in the thread here that there will be no refunds and the buyer is a SUCKA!!!!!!!
He was told there was one knick in the cue and there is clearly more than one in it. Looks like a clear case of misrepresentation to me. The seller screwed him.
Nail on the head man.
Gotta admit though, it seems the OP was asked about the damage multiple times through email and it looks as though all wasn't disclosed... The damage was clearly there in the OP's pics before shipping SO the questions were either intentionally avoided or the OP is not a detail oriented individual which would play to your argument that someone's good may be someone's mint. Just another reason I buy nothing unless I either see it in person or are comfortable with taking a chance on what I might receive...
Yes I asked multiple times about the condition of the cue.
You're saying few now, but you initially said tons, this we know as fact. The other thing that I see you wrote was you said the ad said very good condition, in fact it says really good condition. That is a very big difference, IMHO. Is that cue in really good condition? Its subjective. His opinion, your opinion. There is no definitive answer there.
I will mention this.. I allow a three day grace period to evaluate the cue, UNLESS you send me an its ok letter a head of time. Any acceptance of the transaction, closes the transaction.
IMHO you're skirting a very thin line.
The other way I would look at this, is I imagine an in person transaction. You would have test hit the cue and handed him the money. At that point the transaction is closed. So you take the cue out an hour later an notice a few dings you didn't see originally, that is not his fault, nor can you ask for a refund at that point.
I also believe even had you gone through the ebay/paypal channel legitimately, you would not have won. I'll tell you why, judging by your actions, you would have immediately left a positive feedback, coupled with the original e-mail, in 5 minutes you would have been denied.
Again, very thin line. Its a shame the market has come to this.
IMHO you two should split the price of a refinish, and be done with it. Why? Because you love the cue sans the dents, as you have stated multiple times, and the refinish will fix all that.
JV
I will mention this.. I allow a three day grace period to evaluate the cue, UNLESS you send me an its ok letter a head of time. Any acceptance of the transaction, closes the transaction.
IMHO you're skirting a very thin line.
The other way I would look at this, is I imagine an in person transaction. You would have test hit the cue and handed him the money. At that point the transaction is closed. So you take the cue out an hour later an notice a few dings you didn't see originally, that is not his fault, nor can you ask for a refund at that point.
I also believe even had you gone through the ebay/paypal channel legitimately, you would not have won. I'll tell you why, judging by your actions, you would have immediately left a positive feedback, coupled with the original e-mail, in 5 minutes you would have been denied.
Again, very thin line. Its a shame the market has come to this.
IMHO you two should split the price of a refinish, and be done with it. Why? Because you love the cue sans the dents, as you have stated multiple times, and the refinish will fix all that.
JV
Here is the email that he sent me as to why he wanted me to buy as money gift.
Keep in mind that I've explained to him at this point that i made a new account to talk to him because the other one reached the limit of messages to send him.
Reason that I am in a different place than my facebook says is because I moved up north from where it says on facebook and I never updated it.
Reason why I asked so many questions was because he answered questions one at a time when I asked multiple questions in a email and I had to re ask and re ask just to get an answer. I don't know how many times i had to ask him about the condition of the cue to get a straight answer.
Keep in mind that I've explained to him at this point that i made a new account to talk to him because the other one reached the limit of messages to send him.
Reason that I am in a different place than my facebook says is because I moved up north from where it says on facebook and I never updated it.
Reason why I asked so many questions was because he answered questions one at a time when I asked multiple questions in a email and I had to re ask and re ask just to get an answer. I don't know how many times i had to ask him about the condition of the cue to get a straight answer.
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Check out this post
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=400985
In that thread he makes it sound like the auction is for the ob cue with an extra predator shaft, tiger cue and a case. When you click on the link in it you go to an eBay auction with a picture of all of that but it is only for the cue with one shaft. That is shady
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=398901
Check the middle shaft out. He says "like new" and there is a.very obvious chip out of it in the picture
To me that says a lot
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=400985
In that thread he makes it sound like the auction is for the ob cue with an extra predator shaft, tiger cue and a case. When you click on the link in it you go to an eBay auction with a picture of all of that but it is only for the cue with one shaft. That is shady
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=398901
Check the middle shaft out. He says "like new" and there is a.very obvious chip out of it in the picture
To me that says a lot
OK.. seriously you and I know that when you sell a used condition item, you're not going to map out every ding, dent, finish lift, rub, or sugar mark.
Would you buy a cue that was described like this "good overall condition" OR..... slight wood impression 3" down, about .005 dp, another slight wood depression 6.432959 inches down .001357895 dp, delamination of the finish at the joint for .375986 arc length of the joint, chip in butt cap, .004 nanomicrons fade to .006 dp in center, birsdeye shows slight discoloration due to ultra violet breakdown of the finish 4.98575" above the theoretical apex of the butt cap.
For gods sake, its a used $400 dollar cue.
JV
Would you buy a cue that was described like this "good overall condition" OR..... slight wood impression 3" down, about .005 dp, another slight wood depression 6.432959 inches down .001357895 dp, delamination of the finish at the joint for .375986 arc length of the joint, chip in butt cap, .004 nanomicrons fade to .006 dp in center, birsdeye shows slight discoloration due to ultra violet breakdown of the finish 4.98575" above the theoretical apex of the butt cap.
For gods sake, its a used $400 dollar cue.
JV
It's 571$ CAD.
Actually yes, If I were to try to resell this cue which would be impoissible because of my honesty, I would show the hd pictures of the defects of the cue.........
Here is the email that he sent me as to why he wanted me to buy as money gift.
Keep in mind that I've explained to him at this point that i made a new account to talk to him because the other one reached the limit of messages to send him.
Reason that I am in a different place than my facebook says is because I moved up north from where it says on facebook and I never updated it.
Reason why I asked so many questions was because he answered questions one at a time when I asked multiple questions in a email and I had to re ask and re ask just to get an answer. I don't know how many times i had to ask him about the condition of the cue to get a straight answer.
After he talked to this way in an exchange via email, why in the world would you then deal with him?? If you couldn't see trouble coming your way well I guess you were asking for it. I was was feeling sorry for ya but it looks as though your persistence to obtain this cue is what put you in this blind acceptance type position. Looks like you just gotta deal with it..
Yeah, I know I was very disturbed by that post and really stupid of me to continue with the deal. I got swayed by his ebay rep. Before this experience, I always thought that 100% rep on ebay meant that the person will be 100% honest and fair. Also, after trying to find a cue that I wanted for about 1 month and a half, I just wanted the cue already. I did not know though that it was beat up like that. I tried to make sure before I bought it that it was in good condition but it was not the case.
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Ron Swanson
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Deal of the century! Lol.
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