Question for you old school guys.
Who remembers push out, roll out, one shot shoot out, were there any differences in the rules or was it all the same but just called something different? Do the balls stay down on a foul or come up? I remember some going down but also remember spot shots. This getting old thing stinks. What was I asking..
If anyone has or remembers the rules please PM me.
Thanks
It was "two shot shoot out".
Played 2 different ways depending on what part of the country you were in.
1) Played as two consecutive fouls by the same player.
All balls made are spotted on all fouls or pushouts, incoming player has ball in hand in the kitchen if the cue ball scratches.
Player A may push out to any spot on the table at anytime, (when Player A starts the inning or anytime during the inning) Player B has a choice to play the the shot or return the shot to Player A.
If Player A is told to shoot again Player A must make a legal hit on the object ball (legal hit being the same as in 1 foul ball in hand) or Player B has ball in hand any place on the table.
If Player B chooses to shoot instead the game proceeds as if Player A had just missed the shot and Player B now has the same pushout options as Player A.
The problem with playing this way is that Player A may like a bank shot and push to it, Player B doesn't like banks, but likes long cut shots down the table so he pushes to that Player A pushes back to the bank shot. This was known to get quite messy.
2) Played as two consecutive fouls by both players,
All balls made are spotted on all fouls or pushouts, incoming player has ball in hand in the kitchen if the cue ball scratches.
Player A may push out to any spot on the table at anytime, (when Player A starts the inning or anytime during the inning) Player B has a choice to play the the shot or return the shot to Player A.
If Player A is told to shoot again Player A must make a legal hit on the object ball (legal hit being the same as in 1 foul ball in hand) or Player B has ball in hand any place on the table. [So far same as above, but it changes here]
If Player B chooses to shoot instead Player B must make a legal hit on the object ball (legal hit being the same as in 1 foul ball in hand) or Player A has ball in hand any place on the table. Any two consecutive fouls result in ball in hand for incoming player.
Just to throw in a little confusion on bar tables object balls made on fouls usually were not spotted (due to costing a quarter to retrieve the balls*) Since a cue ball scratch was only ball in hand in the kitchen, [Rotation games] if the object ball was in the kitchen it spotted. Some places they played where if the object ball was in the kitchen instead of spotting it, it was taken off the table until the next legal object ball became available outside the kitchen (example: Player A scratches on the break and the 1,2&3 ball are in the kitchen they all go down and Player B is now shooting at the 4 ball). [8-ball] If all object balls were in the kitchen ball closest to head string was spotted.**
*Yea, I know I'm old, bar tables were a quarter
**some places you were just screwed and had to lag out of the kitchen and back to get a good hit, you had to watch out for those house rules. Hell Chicago was famous for changing their house rules by the hour.
