Shane Repeats Masters win...

Lol. As ever, you appear to miss the pertinent fact about pool, in all its forms: it's
an amateur game. The difference between the top dogs in snooker and the likes of efren or svb is VAST. You are simply in denial if you think otherwise.

How did Steve Davis do when he tried to come over to pool? Ronnie? If the top dogs in snooker are so superior to "pool players" then why haven't snooker players dominated the world chinese events? Good shootin.

I'll take Shane over any snooker player in a race to 100, 10 ball. No one is denying that snooker players are great cueman or that they are incredible at what they do, but to say that the top snooker players are stealing playing the top pool players is just ignorant.

Snooker, 10 ball, one pocket, 9 ball, banks, 8 ball. Pick a snooker player to play Alex Pagulayan lol. Sure Alex probably won't come out on top player snooker but I'll bet whatever you want that he'll win over all.
 
How did Steve Davis do when he tried to come over to pool? Ronnie? If the top dogs in snooker are so superior to "pool players" then why haven't snooker players dominated the world chinese events? Good shootin.

I'll take Shane over any snooker player in a race to 100, 10 ball. No one is denying that snooker players are great cueman or that they are incredible at what they do, but to say that the top snooker players are stealing playing the top pool players is just ignorant.

Snooker, 10 ball, one pocket, 9 ball, banks, 8 ball. Pick a snooker player to play Alex Pagulayan lol. Sure Alex probably won't come out on top player snooker but I'll bet whatever you want that he'll win over all.

oh god. here we go with this race to 100 nonsense again.

I wonder if the outcome would have been any different if Jayson Shaw were able to compete.
 
oh god. here we go with this race to 100 nonsense again.

I wonder if the outcome would have been any different if Jayson Shaw were able to compete.

Against who? Alex or Shane? I'd still take Shane against Shaw. However, Jayson shoots straight as hell. Daz actually played better snooker than Alex but didn't like it. However, Jayson is much higher in the ranks that people give him credit for.

Please explain to me how its nonsense that in a long race the more consistent player is going to come out on top? Shane is a great rotation player and there is no doubt about that and when it comes to races of 20 or less its a coin toss when he plays daz, orcollo or alex. However I believe he has more endurance and plays at a higher level in a long race.

Do I think he is the best player in the world? No not necessarily but I do believe he is top 5 if not top 3.

Do I want to blow him like some other people do? Definitely not. Alex has been and probably always will be my favorite and in an all around format I think he can beat shane as well but in a long race of 10 ball its close.
 
It's stupid to compare achievements from one era to another. Equipment was different, knowledge was different, and the level of competition was different.

But Ronnie in his prime vs. Joe in his prime would hardly be a match. Ronnie would wipe the floor with Joe.

So we simply grant greatest player status to the most recent champions (20 years from now, someone will come along that will exceed Ronnie), since for all intents and purposes, they're superior in a vacuum due to the fact they were born later and had the advantages of whatever modern training methods exist and access to vast amounts of knowledge that wasn't available to past players.

It's not fair to punish older greats just because they were born earlier. I don't care who would win in a matchup. The fact Davis achieved the game's first century and 147 goes a long way with me. Not to mention his 13 straight World Titles. He was more dominant and groundbreaking of a player in his era than Ronnie was in his.
 
Lol. As ever, you appear to miss the pertinent fact about pool, in all its forms: it's
an amateur game. The difference between the top dogs in snooker and the likes of efren or svb is VAST. You are simply in denial if you think otherwise.

Hi Ron Swanson.

"Amateur game" by what measure? What's that even mean anyhow? There's no such thing as an "amateur game."

And what criteria are you using to measure this "vast difference?" Like always, you say much without really saying anything.
 
Shane has the most beautiful and refined game of all the present top players. That, to me, makes him the best player.

The other guys, for the most part, play utilitarian pool.
 
Against who? Alex or Shane? I'd still take Shane against Shaw. However, Jayson shoots straight as hell. Daz actually played better snooker than Alex but didn't like it. However, Jayson is much higher in the ranks that people give him credit for.

Please explain to me how its nonsense that in a long race the more consistent player is going to come out on top? Shane is a great rotation player and there is no doubt about that and when it comes to races of 20 or less its a coin toss when he plays daz, orcollo or alex. However I believe he has more endurance and plays at a higher level in a long race.

Do I think he is the best player in the world? No not necessarily but I do believe he is top 5 if not top 3.

Do I want to blow him like some other people do? Definitely not. Alex has been and probably always will be my favorite and in an all around format I think he can beat shane as well but in a long race of 10 ball its close.

I agree about Alex. Too bad TAR isn't around anymore, I'd actually love to see a race to 100 between him(Alex) and Jayson Shaw with the winner playing Shane a race to 100. Make it interesting and make the format alternate break.
 
Hi Ron Swanson.

"Amateur game" by what measure? What's that even mean anyhow? There's no such thing as an "amateur game."

And what criteria are you using to measure this "vast difference?" Like always, you say much without really saying anything.

I'm sorry, pulpy, but it is you who tends towards verbosity, not me.

Of course pool is amateur - those capable of being pro level cueists are playing snooker, where the money is.
 
So we simply grant greatest player status to the most recent champions (20 years from now, someone will come along that will exceed Ronnie), since for all intents and purposes, they're superior in a vacuum due to the fact they were born later and had the advantages of whatever modern training methods exist and access to vast amounts of knowledge that wasn't available to past players.

It's not fair to punish older greats just because they were born earlier. I don't care who would win in a matchup. The fact Davis achieved the game's first century and 147 goes a long way with me. Not to mention his 13 straight World Titles. He was more dominant and groundbreaking of a player in his era than Ronnie was in his.

Yea thats how it works in sports. Players of the future will always be better.

It doesn't mean the old guys weren't good.

I have much respect and admiration for those that paved the way, but I don't let it blind me.
 
How did Steve Davis do when he tried to come over to pool? Ronnie? If the top dogs in snooker are so superior to "pool players" then why haven't snooker players dominated the world chinese events? Good shootin.

I'll take Shane over any snooker player in a race to 100, 10 ball. No one is denying that snooker players are great cueman or that they are incredible at what they do, but to say that the top snooker players are stealing playing the top pool players is just ignorant.

Snooker, 10 ball, one pocket, 9 ball, banks, 8 ball. Pick a snooker player to play Alex Pagulayan lol. Sure Alex probably won't come out on top player snooker but I'll bet whatever you want that he'll win over all.

Ronnie did about as well in pool as Alex did in snooker. If there were a qualification process for the pro tour, then Ronnie probably doesn't make the cut.

And I always love the excuse making for Ronnie. "He didn't even practice! Just took it up for a piss."

Wrong. I was just watching the 2006 World Pool masters match between Ronnie and Wu Chia, and Jim Wych said Ronnie told him he's going to give 9 ball a serious go and enter all the major events. There's also interviews with Ronnie from that time period where he said the same thing. Yeah, what happened? Not much. Ronnie quickly went back to his comfort zone.

That said, I completely admit that it's easier to transition to pool from snooker than vice versa. But that has nothing to do with snooker supposed "difficulty" better preparing a snooker player for the so called easier game of pool with "bucket" pockets. Nor does it have to do with the supposed god-like cueing prowess of snooker players.

The reason the transition is easier is because snooker players don't have to "unlearn" any bad habits during the transition. They can easily add the use of English to their already solid game built around using the center axis of the cue ball, while unlearning English after a lifetime of using it on virtually every shot is a mammoth task for a pool player to do coming over to snooker. The implications go further than just cueing and affect how one normally plays position, as well. Snooker players use natural angles. Pool players are required to create angles a great deal of the time. Then they go try to create angles in snooker, and get humbled.

Someone will definitely say, "Well, doesn't that mean snooker players are better cueists then?"

No.

If the challenge were now changed to transition to 3 cushion (I'd wager that if we polled the site, the majority of posters would vote that 3 cushion has the highest learning curve of ALL the cue sports), then the pool player would make a much easier transition. Now he can use English, stroke the cue ball like he's used to, and create angles and spin the cue ball around multiple rails. Take Earl, take Ronnie, give them a year at 3 cushion, and I'd bet my house that Earl would average at least 50% more points per inning than Ronnie. Same thing if you took Shane and Judd Trump. Selby and Ko, etc, etc.

And that is why the transition argument of, "Well, what proves that pool is an easier game than snooker is that snooker players seem to make the transition easier." is flawed. It's totally arbitrary depending on which and what games you're transitioning to and from, and doesn't prove anything about game difficulty or cueing ability.
 
Shane has the most beautiful and refined game of all the present top players. That, to me, makes him the best player.

The other guys, for the most part, play utilitarian pool.

Tend to agree. What this proves is a) Shane CAN win short matches overseas, so no need for the variance dullards anymore, and b) the break makes the game of 9 ball effectively broken.
 
I'm sorry, pulpy, but it is you who tends towards verbosity, not me.

Of course pool is amateur - those capable of being pro level cueists are playing snooker, where the money is.

There's no money in snooker. This is another myth that needs to die.

Only the top 20 make an amount that could be considered an upper class living in a first world country.

Top 20 golfer in the world is a multimillionaire. Top 20 basketball player is worth 9 figures.

So if prize money is your criteria on what decides what is pro and amateur, then all cue sports are "amateur." No good money in any of them.
 
Apples & Oranges, brochacho!

You're trying to compare chess to chaos. You won't see a snooker player using a break cue to make a full table jump shot and draw the cue ball three rails for shape.

True. You won't see a snooker player's fundamentals crumble to dust, either.
 
Tend to agree. What this proves is a) Shane CAN win short matches overseas, so no need for the variance dullards anymore, and b) the break makes the game of 9 ball effectively broken.

It's a skill shot, like any other shot in pool. I agree that the magic rack and fast cloth has made the break somewhat broken, but don't hate the game because all your Snewka and Blackball converts break like children.

Ronnie's break Lmao:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Ye61WiLMk
 
There's no money in snooker. This is another myth that needs to die.

Only the top 20 make an amount that could be considered an upper class living in a first world country.

Top 20 golfer in the world is a multimillionaire. Top 20 basketball player is worth 9 figures.

So if prize money is your criteria on what decides what is pro and amateur, then all cue sports are "amateur." No good money in any of them.

Which one offers the most money, by quite a considerable margin? And you have your answer.
 
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