Ron Swanson
Banned
Don't highlight those words. I fear for vetty and pulpy, i really do.
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Shane Repeats Masters win...
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Don't highlight those words. I fear for vetty and pulpy, i really do.
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Ron Swanson
Banned
lol what?
Beebs is simply trolling, as per.
Buddy I'm trying to stick up for your cousin Darrin, and that's how you repay me?
I think it's funny the perceptions on variance in this thread. It reminded me one time of a guy telling me he was losing in poker but it was most likely variance at small stakes $0.10/$0.25. I asked him how many hands he had played at the level to come to this conclusion. He responded with 100 hands lol. I told him to come talk to me when he has played 50k hands to get a better glimpse on if he was losing to variance (would have to see his stats and hands as well)...but his sample size was reallllly small.
He also has no idea the meaning of variance (or even standard deviation if you want to get deeper into it).
He also has no idea the meaning of variance (or even standard deviation if you want to get deeper into it).
More Shaneanigans from Shanetards. Maybe he should give up all those trophies and titles, quit playing tournaments altogether and just gamble for the rest of his life. Maybe he should just listen to the guys on here and only play races to 100, since that's apparently his best format and can't be beaten at it (which he has been beaten at, several times). Wait, didn't Bustamante, Archer and Earl all beat him at races to 100? The excuses by you clowns is sickening. You remind me of the drunks in bars making up rules as the game progresses and they figure out they're not playing against just another drunk banger. 
More Shaneanigans from Shanetards. Maybe he should give up all those trophies and titles, quit playing tournaments altogether and just gamble for the rest of his life. Maybe he should just listen to the guys on here and only play races to 100, since that's apparently his best format and can't be beaten at it (which he has been beaten at, several times). Wait, didn't Bustamante, Archer and Earl all beat him at races to 100? The excuses by you clowns is sickening. You remind me of the drunks in bars making up rules as the game progresses and they figure out they're not playing against just another drunk banger.
What an intelligent, well written post lol. It's nice to see some good ol name calling to people who don't agree with you.
It's not even that. It's the complete lack of cogent logic. I understand the fanboyism, sure. whatever. But it's the same old story with this thread. Fanboys want to denigrate and devalue other players in favor of their U.S. #1. I've made this point before. Yes, Shane is the best American player. No doubt about that. Best in the world? That changes all the time. John Schmidt said it the best when he was commentating on the 10-foot match with Earl. These guys all play as good as a human being is physically capable of playing. Who's better than the rest on any given day is in constant flux. Shane happened to be the best player in his draw at the world pool masters. I personally am very interested in seeing how he does in Doha. And if anyone besides me remembers, the rest of the world laughs at SVB fanboys.
There's no complete lack of "cogent logic."
I'm not a Shane fanboy, but I'm definitely a pool fanboy, and long race rotation pool is where you see the game played at its best. I can't speak for others, but for me this has nothing to do with propping up Shane and denigrating others, and everything to do with how un-compelling short race tournaments are, especially in the modern era where equipment (Magic Rack, Simonis 860, etc) and an increased knowledge of the rack has facilitated more break and runs than ever before.
To reduce a highly offensive game like 9 ball to "first to 7, 8, 9, etc wins the match" is like reducing basketball (another highly offensive game) to the first quarter, If player A opens with a 5 pack in a race to 7, that match is effectively over. In a race to 30, we might see player B respond with a big package of his own, and so begins the punch/counterpunch dynamic of a long race. I want to see Shane and Ko, Darren and Niels, whoever, whomever, actually battle rather than just play each other in a contest to see who can get the most rolls in that hour.
Short races make sense for defensive games like one pocket and such, but not for the rotation games.
I'll agree on the short races. A race to 15 or 17 (either alternating or winner break) makes a little more sense to me. 9-ball is absolutely the wrong game for professionals to be playing. It really makes me sick when I watch a professional tournament where someone can luck in the 9-ball. Meanwhile, I'm here having to call the 9 as an amateur. There are 15 object balls in a box, I really can't understand why they're only using 9 or 10.
Yes. 9 ball needs to adopt 10 ball rules (call shot/call safe), or be phased out all together in favor of 10 ball. The games are redundant.
Race to 17 is a good compromise for tournament rotation pool.
I'm in favor of using all 15 balls for pros. I think we all agree that it's quite the accomplishment to run 1-15 in rotation. And I don't mean like in rotation where it's to 60 points or American Rotation... Rack all 15, break, spot any balls made, proceed to run out. Just throwing an idea out there.
Well, the whole game design behind short rack rotation pool is that is makes running an individual rack relatively easy, but running consecutive racks exponentially harder, and whoever can consistently run more packages (and run out an opponent's dry break more often) will win the match.
For pool nerds, it makes for crappy viewing over a short period of time, but great viewing when the match length is extended. A lot of people who have sweated 10 ahead matches and the like will tell you how "beautiful" the game can get over those 4 or 5 or more hours.
Not TV or casual spectator friendly, though, which is the issue.
TheThaiger
Banned
You missed vette's usual rantings then?
lol the only Shanetards here.
The only Shanetards here incapable of cogent logic are the Shane haters that would berate his accomplishments no matter what he does.
How anyone can look at his recent accomplishments and not acknowledge he is, if not THE best in the world, in the top two or three is beyond me and does NOT involve using 'cogent logic'.
Jaden
More Shaneanigans from Shanetards. Maybe he should give up all those trophies and titles, quit playing tournaments altogether and just gamble for the rest of his life. Maybe he should just listen to the guys on here and only play races to 100, since that's apparently his best format and can't be beaten at it (which he has been beaten at, several times). Wait, didn't Bustamante, Archer and Earl all beat him at races to 100? The excuses by you clowns is sickening. You remind me of the drunks in bars making up rules as the game progresses and they figure out they're not playing against just another drunk banger.
The only Shanetards here incapable of cogent logic are the Shane haters that would berate his accomplishments no matter what he does.
How anyone can look at his recent accomplishments and not acknowledge he is, if not THE best in the world, in the top two or three is beyond me and does NOT involve using 'cogent logic'.
Jaden
You do realize that Karol Skowerski should be up for consideration too, if we're going to use the world pool masters victory as some sort of measuring stick. I'll say it again, let's see how things go for Shane in the W9B.
Let's see how they go for the rest of the field also - there can only be one winner, so don't be a retard.
Jason
Don't go using cogent logic...
Don't go using that Cogent Logic, you'll throw him off.
Jaden
Don't go using that Cogent Logic, you'll throw him off.
Jaden
And let's not forget that there are others who have accomplished more and won more events with the word "world" in the title than the american world paper champion.
you DO realize the irony in this statement right?
At the same time you're attempting to berate Shane for his btb "world" paper titles, you're degrading the titles with "world" in the title.
As has been pointed out, just because Shane only got 5th in the "WORLD 9 Ball" which is a single elim (in the final 16 also) doesn't mean he's not the best in the world..
I don't get where you guys get that the world nine ball being in the name of the tournament makes it more difficult or something...
The format and the players playing in it makes the difference and Shane has dominated tournaments with the people who have won this tournament with world in the title so your arguments make no sense...
Double elim tournaments are more difficult to win because a fluke loss early on for a better player can be overcome through the one loss side and players that are get a better draw won't have as easy a shot at winning.
Also, longer race tourneys are better at finding the best players because it eliminates fluke runs against better players or bad rolls.
Jaden
At the same time you're attempting to berate Shane for his btb "world" paper titles, you're degrading the titles with "world" in the title.
As has been pointed out, just because Shane only got 5th in the "WORLD 9 Ball" which is a single elim (in the final 16 also) doesn't mean he's not the best in the world..
I don't get where you guys get that the world nine ball being in the name of the tournament makes it more difficult or something...
The format and the players playing in it makes the difference and Shane has dominated tournaments with the people who have won this tournament with world in the title so your arguments make no sense...
Double elim tournaments are more difficult to win because a fluke loss early on for a better player can be overcome through the one loss side and players that are get a better draw won't have as easy a shot at winning.
Also, longer race tourneys are better at finding the best players because it eliminates fluke runs against better players or bad rolls.
Jaden
Your statement is full of holes, but I really just want to end this back-and-forth. So, I'll concede to you. Besides, every argument that can be made, has been made by now, in the numerous other threads. I'll just say that Shane is my pick come September 7th. I just won't be as vocal about it as others.