All I know is that I would be pissed if I flew all the way to Doha just to have some guy pattern rack and beat me with no consequences whatsoever.
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I noticed that the refs are wearing white gloves and tend to clean the cue ball every time
it is in hand.
They could take another page from the book of snooker....players don't touch the balls....
....they don't even like the snooker players to help clean the pockets...no sweaty hands
allowed to touch the balls.....that involves the refs racking also....
...I'd like to see 1 in front, 9 in middle, 2 at back....the rest random....no inspections.
Now, if they could only make it winner break....
...."What was the high run in the world championship?"
......"A one pack.".
it is in hand.
They could take another page from the book of snooker....players don't touch the balls....
....they don't even like the snooker players to help clean the pockets...no sweaty hands
allowed to touch the balls.....that involves the refs racking also....
...I'd like to see 1 in front, 9 in middle, 2 at back....the rest random....no inspections.
Now, if they could only make it winner break....
...."What was the high run in the world championship?"
......"A one pack.".
I noticed that the refs are wearing white gloves and tend to clean the cue ball every time
it is in hand.
They could take another page from the book of snooker....players don't touch the balls....
....they don't even like the snooker players to help clean the pockets...no sweaty hands
allowed to touch the balls.....that involves the refs racking also....
...I'd like to see 1 in front, 9 in middle, 2 at back....the rest random....no inspections.
Now, if they could only make it winner break....
...."What was the high run in the world championship?"
......"A one pack.".
Who makes the alternate break decision, the WPA or the Qatar Assoc or who?
I agree, they need to parent those whiners!
I'm inclined to agree - but these patterns are against WPA 9 ball rules. That would include Klatt's positioning of the 2-3-7-8 and Shane's 2 in the back and 3 on the left.
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=117&pagetype=rules
"The object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a diamond shape, with the one ball at the apex of the diamond and on the foot spot and the nine ball in the middle of the diamond. The other balls will be placed in the diamond without purposeful or intentional pattern."
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/index.asp?id=117&pagetype=rules
"The object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a diamond shape, with the one ball at the apex of the diamond and on the foot spot and the nine ball in the middle of the diamond. The other balls will be placed in the diamond without purposeful or intentional pattern."
it's short race 9-ball, alternate break. Look at it for what it is and always will be, a crap shoot with a title.
I noticed that the refs are wearing white gloves and tend to clean the cue ball every time
it is in hand.
They could take another page from the book of snooker....players don't touch the balls....
....they don't even like the snooker players to help clean the pockets...no sweaty hands
allowed to touch the balls.....that involves the refs racking also....
...I'd like to see 1 in front, 9 in middle, 2 at back....the rest random....no inspections.
Now, if they could only make it winner break....
...."What was the high run in the world championship?"
......"A one pack.".
I'd give you a greenie for this but I have to spread it around.
BTW do you know what alternating breaks and "one packs" have in common? They're both of European origin
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How about Winner breaks? -not part of those rules?
I would think the WPA would sanction either set of break rules.
....so, it's the organizers.
"The player who wins the lag chooses who will break the first rack. (See 1.2 Lagging to Determine Order of Play.) The standard format is to alternate the break, but see Regulation 15, Subsequent Break Shots."
unreal-guarantee that wasnt there 5 years ago
More info about WPA regulations on racking... it's likely that every competitor remaining in this tournament is violating this reg.
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_regulations#15
16. Rack at Nine Ball
As stated in Rule 2.2, balls other than the one and nine are placed randomly in the rack and should not be set in any particular order during any rack. If the referee is not racking, and a player believes that his opponent is intentionally placing balls within the rack, he may bring this to the attention of a tournament official. If the tournament official determines that the player is intentionally positioning balls in the rack, the player will be given an official warning to refrain from doing so. Once warned, should the player continue with intentional positioning of balls in the rack, he shall be penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct.
http://www.wpa-pool.com/web/the_regulations#15
16. Rack at Nine Ball
As stated in Rule 2.2, balls other than the one and nine are placed randomly in the rack and should not be set in any particular order during any rack. If the referee is not racking, and a player believes that his opponent is intentionally placing balls within the rack, he may bring this to the attention of a tournament official. If the tournament official determines that the player is intentionally positioning balls in the rack, the player will be given an official warning to refrain from doing so. Once warned, should the player continue with intentional positioning of balls in the rack, he shall be penalized for unsportsmanlike conduct.
There is a stipulation in the WPA rules that the promoter can make changes to the rules as they see fit. It is absurd to have a WPA World Championship and not play by a standardized set of rules without promoter rights. This was in regard to me questioning the absurd 3 ball past the headstring rule on the break. Jewitt pointed out the promoter exclusion in the WPA rules:
"The possibility of using the 3-point rule is in fact permitted by the WSR. In particular, Regulation 17 is:
17. Open Break Requirements
The tournament management may set additional requirements on the break shot on games that require an “open” break such as nine ball. For example, it may be required to drive three balls above the head string or pocket them."
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... Now, if they could only make it winner break....
...."What was the high run in the world championship?"
......"A one pack.".
Hey, you just have to view it a bit differently. With this format we have "alternate-break packages" -- how many are run on a player's own successive breaks.
Today, Gray had a 4-pack against Yapp -- highest I've seen so far in this event.
Current WPA rules have been in effect since 1/1/2008 (except 10-Ball, 1/1/2009). I'm not aware of any modifications since then.
That's a good theory. It doesn't say that in any of the rules on the website that I could find, but it may have been announced at the players meeting and provided in handouts.
Look at it differently for sure....under these rules, I don't think we would still be talking
about Earl's eleven-pack....or Willie's 526....can you imagine somebody telling Willie
that he had to play "50 and stop"?
I'm not sure he has the right to complain about Ignacio when he's pattern racking the 2, 3, 7 and 8 himself. Ignacio is clearly on another level but the practical impact of this versus Ignacio's can't be much different.
The 2 at the back might flat out be a rule. Not a single rack by anyone has the 2 anywhere but at the back of the rack.
As for the practical impact of Klatt's racks vs Ignacio? It is night and day. Klatt is racking the 3 and 4 on opposite sides of the rack, at times both above and below the center of the rack. The 5 ball and the 6 ball are also in positions that would lead to more tricky outs.
What Ignacio is very clearly doing is racking for clusters of the balls that must be shot consecutively to fall within certain sections of the table. Doing that reduces the amount of cueball movement needed, makes the potting generally easier, and makes it less likely to get hooked by requiring multi-rail shape with a lot of cueball travel.
That said, rack your own? Pros? I would be shocked if less than half of those guys are not pattern racking to at least some extent. Ignacio is absolutely not terribly subtle about his though...
Back a long time ago when Archer won the SML tournament up in Calgary it was rack your own. He pattern racked and I watched him play an entire match where I swear he made the exact same ball in the exact same pocket off of his breaks in almost every rack he broke. It was sick, he played a controlled break, got the same shot on the 1-ball, and the balls fell in pretty much the exact same spot on the table every time. Then he just ran the same out every game. It was sick, in more ways then one. It was gross to watch, but at the same time it was unbelievable to see someone have that much control over it, until everyone watched Donnie Mills on a PPV...