Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
How can one can tell where the cue ball is going after contact with the OB without visualizing that collision?
And when dealing with spin, you have to visualize how much that object ball throw will be . Like aiming at outside of the pocket, maybe?

Joey, the key word in your response is "maybe"... "Systems" can't guarantee survival on "maybe"...I rest my case.. :)
 
Why does every thread that "ENGLISH!" participates in result in multiple arguments that have nothing to do with pool?

EDIT: He is a troll right?

To please Patrick,

There are those that want to throw dirt but don't like it when they are shown as dirt throwers.

Your post here seems to be a post that is doing nothing but 'asking' for a ban of me & has nothing to do with pool in any way. Especially when you incorrectly use the word 'every'.

If you would take note there are only a select few that continue to throw dirt at me.

Are you a one way street hypocrite or a troll? That is a rhetorical question & is not meant to imply that you are either. It's just meant to make a point as I don't know much about you here at all.

I hope you can see my points & understand them.

When some are in a pool discussion & everything is not going their way they resort to personal 'attacks' & then the thread is off in another direction.

This thread was taken off by the same group that makes false claims about a particular aiming method. When anyone states their disagreement with those claims it rather quickly goes down hill.
 
Wow, this blew out way out of proportion.

I skipped a lot of the debate part, since to be honest it kinda bored me, but I think I'm gonna spend some more time with CTE this month and see how I feel about it. Should be relatively easy to see if it helps me more than only practicing by feel.

I know the shots that are hard for me, I'll try getting a good grasp of CTE and see if I become more confident with those shots.

For those still interested, I will most likely upload my first video either today or monday. I wish it would have been this weekend but I have 2 tournaments, one saturday and one sunday so I am a little out of time..

5 yrs? You dont have time for cte imo.
 
ALL aiming systems are a dirivitive of, or just another "method" to get you to The Ghost Ball contact point. All other factors from spin, to speed, to cloth, to cue, to stroke, ALL affect what happens after. You can tell people how those factors affect the shot but it takes a L O N G time to get the "FEEL" of using them. The ONLY system" or whatever you want to call it that will teach you that is TIME.

:thumbup2:

And that is building a subjective data base that is unique to each individual even if the final destination winds up being the same or very near the same.

When a new method is introduce most all individuals will subconsciously call upon that data base that is subjective.

Some are capable of shutting off that type of input & employ a method objectively while others seem not to be able to do that.

Like PJ has said, this discussion will go on & on or at least until subjectivity is admitted by system users or those of a specific 'system'.
 
So you still think the ctel is the same for each shot right.

No Cookie,

I"m not going to go over it again. I understand that there is a different line for each shot.

You need to read my qualifying statements.

The question is how does one arrive at those correct shot lines.

The answer is through their own subjective analysis & determinations.

There is nothing objective about CTE that gets one to those exact lines.

It may get one closer to them than other methods but it can not get them there for ALL of the shots as there are ONLY a limited amount of' objective keys.

'Move until you see the proper perception for the shot' is NOT objective. Perception is NOT objective.

Please disregard ALL of the above except the part where I answer your question with NO, as I said I was not going to go into again.

What happened to our recent civil PMs & understanding that we are not going to agree & you are not going to convince me & I am not going to convince you?
 
I recommend also (instead?) trying simple fractional aiming without the added gimmicks of "visuals" and "pivoting" (just adjust thicker or thinner as needed). Things will be much more clear if you don't need to disguise the adjustments.

pj
chgo

:thumbup2:......
 
Sam,

Imo you need to use a basic aiming system... a proven system that works... just like every good player who "uses" cte did when they started out before they started selling cte lessons.


Use whatever system you decide on and then adjust for your misses until you get a feel for how to line up your shots without much thought.
 
No Cookie,

I"m not going to go over it again. I understand that there is a different line for each shot.

You need to read my qualifying statements.

The question is how does one arrive at those correct shot lines.

The answer is through their own subjective analysis & determinations.

There is nothing objective about CTE that gets one to those exact lines.

It may get one closer to them than other methods but it can not get them there for ALL of the shots as there are ONLY a limited amount of' objective keys.

'Move until you see the proper perception for the shot' is NOT objective. Perception is NOT objective.

Please disregard ALL of the above except the part where I answer your question with NO, as I said I was not going to go into again.

What happened to our recent civil PMs & understanding that we are not going to agree & you are not going to convince me & I am not going to convince you?

"If done totally objectively each ball hits the rail at 'equal' distances apart, that is to say that the end result angle is the same. Unless one deviates & adds one's own input to what the shot requires."

This is your quote and to me it suggests you feel the ctel line goes on the same angle for all 5 shots. However that is not true.
I'm being civil
 
Sam,

Imo you need to use a basic aiming system... a proven system that works... just like every good player who "uses" cte did when they started out before they started selling cte lessons.


Use whatever system you decide on and then adjust for your misses until you get a feel for how to line up your shots without much thought.

The more I hear about it, the more I think CTE is like a cult where it's users won't admit it's actually kinda bad.

I'm kinda torn and I think the best way to know for sure is to try it and see for myself.
 
None of the above goes for me. I usually use aiming systems, while hitting balls very hard and praying when facing difficult shots.
 
Wow, this blew out way out of proportion.

I have 2 tournaments, one saturday and one sunday so I am a little out of time..

The ? is, how well are you going to control this week’s training seminar (this thread) and your tournament play; a pop quiz of sorts from a public attraction, the sport of it, the things beyond the playing field.
 
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