Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
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A BASIC aiming system like ghostball or contact point aiming can absolutely be taught, not in seconds but probably minutes. The beginner still has to be able to home in on the VISUALS and ALIGN correctly. Plus, they have a horribly crooked stroke.

Your statement about CTE shows how little to NOTHING you know about CTE or any other aiming system because they DO NOT take months or years to learn.

With CTE you still have to learn the VISUALS and ALIGNMENT because they are different from all others so there is a transition and learning process. But if a player has half a brain, which I'm not sure you do and a decent stroke which I'm not sure you have, it comes within a very reasonable to quick amount of time.

In your case you don't have the aptitude or the desire so stay out of CTE, the SEE System, or Shane's ferrule aiming. Go to the AIMING FORUM and teach exactly what you do to beginners to 10 years of playing like yourself and be a hero instead of a dolt.

In any case if you'd like to prove me wrong, please post something about what the alignment visuals are for CTE based on various cut angles. FEEL FREE.

Did it really take you all day to come up with this gibberish
First off when I have a problem aiming I might look into another way of doing so until then I will aim with one of the methods that 99.99 of champions past and present use , if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me

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Some people do. Some people treat aiming as not much more than pin the tail on the donkey. They just give it a cursory look and get right down and whack at it.

And just like I said about people developing their senses the more they do this the more their "feel" will be refined. If I give a total beginner a shot he might miss it horribly the first ten times and eventually he would get closer and closer to right until he was able to make it or barely miss it each time. Test him on the same shot a month later and he might miss badly the first time and get back to a much closer miss in less than 10 shots.

If I give a CTE user the same shot he might miss it by a little the first time but by the fifth try at most he will own that shot forever. A month later the CTE user is likely to NAIL the shot first try and nail it every time thereafter.

That is the spectrum I am talking about and CTE puts the shooter on the Consistently Accurate end of it.

John,

Again more speculative hypothetical I'll bet type stuff with nothing to support it.

If what you say were true, then Gerry should NEVER miss & should be able to play Shane even & have a 50/50 chance of beating him.

Also, you don't seem to understand that IF, IF, IF, CTE was a totally objective 'system' it should work right out of the box for anyone with a straight stroke that can do a a 1/2 tip pivot & NOT take over a year for guys like TonyTheTiger & still have no improvement.

Also, you seem to not understand that your type of comparisons prove nothing about whether CTE is 99% objectively based.

Best Wishes.
 
It's highly unlikely a beginner is going to pick up CTE faster than general alignment and start pocketing balls since we have already seen questions asked by players who have been playing for yrs that have trouble picking it up ,,
Yes I'm sure you could take a real good player and make him better with CTE but whether that spike comes from heighten concentration or the system has yet to be determined we saw Stevie spike but he has not done since I know a few pro's that know it one mentioned here but I wouldn't say he's any better than before , so the results are really inconclusive ,,

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Maybe for you on the outside. For those of us on the inside we see that lower level players respond well to CTE instruction.

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Did it really take you all day to come up with this gibberish
First off when I have a problem aiming I might look into another way of doing so until then I will aim with one of the methods that 99.99 of champions past and present use , if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me

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Are you comparing your play to a champion? LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.

What is this method you talk about? LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL
 
He's some sort of co-developer, whatever that is, because he's paid to. Y'know, duh. :rolleyes:

Are you paid to shill CTE?

He's paid to? ROTFLMAO. He's BRITISH!! They're above BRIBES or PAYMENT TO SHILL! He just knows MORE than you do about AIMING, Thaiger.
 
Maybe for you on the outside. For those of us on the inside we see that lower level players respond well to CTE instruction.

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Well if I learned anything in my long lifetime it's people see what they want to see and it's been proven you can get the cult to drink the Koolaid


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John,

Again more speculative hypothetical I'll bet type stuff with nothing to support it.

If what you say were true, then Gerry should NEVER miss & should be able to play Shane even & have a 50/50 chance of beating him.

Also, you don't seem to understand that IF, IF, IF, CTE was a totally objective 'system' it should work right out of the box for anyone with a straight stroke that can do a a 1/2 tip pivot & NOT take over a year for guys like TonyTheTiger & still have no improvement.

Also, you seem to not understand that your type of comparisons prove nothing about whether CTE is 99% objectively based.

Best Wishes.

Again, ~sigh~, aiming is only one part of the process. Stroke, speed and spin come after that. Choosing the right position and right patterns is also critical. And of course nerves under pressure are important.

So Gerry and Shane could have identical BU scores and yet Shane would torture Gerry on the table because Shane's break is better, Shane makes better pattern choices, Shane pockets better under pressure and pockets way better than that with no pressure. Shane isn't afraid of Gerry's game and Gerry is afraid of Shane's, rightfully so. Shane will be far more precise with his cueball making his safeties even more deadly.

Or....Gerry could turn out to thrive on pressure and give Shane all he can handle.

Strange things happen - like when Stevie Moore (ProOne user) ran over Chris Bartrum (One Man No Aiming System) in their money match
 
Well if I learned anything in my long lifetime it's people see what they want to see and it's been proven you can get the cult to drink the Koolaid


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Sure, compare this to a mass murder. Instead of looking at all the people over the years, engineers, lawyers, scientists and so on that have endorsed CTE and saying maybe these people are rational and can think clearly you instead reduce them brainwashed cult members.
 
You invited him into the snake oil pit? :eek:

Some friend...

pj
chgo

To be fair I did give him a warning. I didn't just PM him saying "click here for good time"

On a more serious note I like to keep an open mind about these things. I think trying to describe it in a forum is 10 times more difficult then a hands on table demonstration (at least for me).
 
To be fair I did give him a warning. I didn't just PM him saying "click here for good time"

On a more serious note I like to keep an open mind about these things. I think trying to describe it in a forum is 10 times more difficult then a hands on table demonstration (at least for me).

I hope he doesn't dignify this nonsense with a response.
 
Sure, compare this to a mass murder. Instead of looking at all the people over the years, engineers, lawyers, scientists and so on that have endorsed CTE and saying maybe these people are rational and can think clearly you instead reduce them brainwashed cult members.

Lol.

And i repeat.

Lol.
 
To be fair I did give him a warning. I didn't just PM him saying "click here for good time"

On a more serious note I like to keep an open mind about these things. I think trying to describe it in a forum is 10 times more difficult then a hands on table demonstration (at least for me).

Well I don't know if you would get the truth if he's promoting a system

Here is John and Corey's take on systems ,,
I like where Corey's obviously talking about CTE and how he doesn't get it ,, but we are supposed to believe new players pick it up in a snap lol


John Schmidt: Well, don’t get me started on aiming systems. I’ll tell you if...

Maybe they work... but nobody’s telling me the one’s that work. Because if they work, first of all you’re not factoring in swerve and deflection. OK, now what if a guy comes up with a delivery system, that’s different. But, aiming’s adorable -- but you still have to deliver -- so you could aim perfect. If those aiming systems worked, well there would just be like four million people who played like Corey. But it’s year after year and it’s still Corey.

So these aiming systems are overrated, they’re a way to sell videos and books and make people pontificate about their own greatness and believe me if it worked, then they’d be out there winning tournaments, but they’re not.

What Stevie Moore doesn’t get is -- Stevie Moore -- you could put a bag over his head and he’d run out. He’s a great player. So he’s playing great in spite of his aiming system, not because of it. I mean, think about it: he’s already a great player. He could aim at the wall and he’s still going to make the ball. And it’s a way to give him comfort and confidence. He’s kind of like tricked himself into thinking ‘this aiming system works.’

(John sets up to demonstrate a shot.) I just can’t see how I’m going to use english here and I’m going to aim bottom right english. So I’m aiming out here -- it’s going to squirt. Well, what aiming system is going to work for that?! It’s only going to work with center ball. And you know, all these guys with their aiming systems can get like weight from me. And I don’t use an aiming system.

Corey Duel: Yeah the one that he’s talking about I haven’t been able to comprehend it yet. It’s something about pivoting the back foot and... I don’t know.

John Schmidt: My piece of advice, if anybody cares to the viewers at home: forget all the aiming systems. Just like when you throw a baseball to first, you just do it. Right? There’s no aiming, you do it, you feel it. It’s same with pool. You get a mental picture and you do it. Aiming systems are the most ridiculous, overrated thing...The pros scoff at that stuff, they’re like, ‘aiming systems, really?!’...

If they would quit spending so much time on line and learning about aiming systems and go hit more balls they’d become better players. There’s no short cut to it. Sitting on AZ Billiards looking for aiming systems isn’t going to get it. It’s like the golf swing guys. They got a thousand videos. But the guy that goes to the driving range till his hands bleed, that’s the good golfer. You can’t watch it online and go, ‘oh, there’s got to be a system for hitting a four iron two hundred yards on the green.’ It’s the same with pool. We’ve hit a million pool balls -- that’s our system. I mean, you’re not going to get good at anything using a system.

I could be wrong, I don’t know if I’m right. I just think aiming systems are crazy. Deflection and swerve is what makes this game so tough. If there was no such thing as that, you know you just hit whatever english, but this thing goes sideways off of your stick. That’s why the game’s so impossible.
 
Well I don't know if you would get the truth if he's promoting a system

Here is John and Corey's take on systems ,,
I like where Corey's obviously talking about CTE and how he doesn't get it ,, but we are supposed to believe new players pick it up in a snap lol


John Schmidt: Well, don’t get me started on aiming systems. I’ll tell you if...

Maybe they work... but nobody’s telling me the one’s that work. Because if they work, first of all you’re not factoring in swerve and deflection. OK, now what if a guy comes up with a delivery system, that’s different. But, aiming’s adorable -- but you still have to deliver -- so you could aim perfect. If those aiming systems worked, well there would just be like four million people who played like Corey. But it’s year after year and it’s still Corey.

So these aiming systems are overrated, they’re a way to sell videos and books and make people pontificate about their own greatness and believe me if it worked, then they’d be out there winning tournaments, but they’re not.

What Stevie Moore doesn’t get is -- Stevie Moore -- you could put a bag over his head and he’d run out. He’s a great player. So he’s playing great in spite of his aiming system, not because of it. I mean, think about it: he’s already a great player. He could aim at the wall and he’s still going to make the ball. And it’s a way to give him comfort and confidence. He’s kind of like tricked himself into thinking ‘this aiming system works.’

(John sets up to demonstrate a shot.) I just can’t see how I’m going to use english here and I’m going to aim bottom right english. So I’m aiming out here -- it’s going to squirt. Well, what aiming system is going to work for that?! It’s only going to work with center ball. And you know, all these guys with their aiming systems can get like weight from me. And I don’t use an aiming system.

Corey Duel: Yeah the one that he’s talking about I haven’t been able to comprehend it yet. It’s something about pivoting the back foot and... I don’t know.

John Schmidt: My piece of advice, if anybody cares to the viewers at home: forget all the aiming systems. Just like when you throw a baseball to first, you just do it. Right? There’s no aiming, you do it, you feel it. It’s same with pool. You get a mental picture and you do it. Aiming systems are the most ridiculous, overrated thing...The pros scoff at that stuff, they’re like, ‘aiming systems, really?!’...

If they would quit spending so much time on line and learning about aiming systems and go hit more balls they’d become better players. There’s no short cut to it. Sitting on AZ Billiards looking for aiming systems isn’t going to get it. It’s like the golf swing guys. They got a thousand videos. But the guy that goes to the driving range till his hands bleed, that’s the good golfer. You can’t watch it online and go, ‘oh, there’s got to be a system for hitting a four iron two hundred yards on the green.’ It’s the same with pool. We’ve hit a million pool balls -- that’s our system. I mean, you’re not going to get good at anything using a system.

I could be wrong, I don’t know if I’m right. I just think aiming systems are crazy. Deflection and swerve is what makes this game so tough. If there was no such thing as that, you know you just hit whatever english, but this thing goes sideways off of your stick. That’s why the game’s so impossible.

They are merely haters who cannot play.

The SECOND someone selling an aiming system goes to the snooker world and attempts to sell it there, I'm all ears. Until then...
 
Again, ~sigh~, aiming is only one part of the process. Stroke, speed and spin come after that. Choosing the right position and right patterns is also critical. And of course nerves under pressure are important.

So Gerry and Shane could have identical BU scores and yet Shane would torture Gerry on the table because Shane's break is better, Shane makes better pattern choices, Shane pockets better under pressure and pockets way better than that with no pressure. Shane isn't afraid of Gerry's game and Gerry is afraid of Shane's, rightfully so. Shane will be far more precise with his cueball making his safeties even more deadly.

Or....Gerry could turn out to thrive on pressure and give Shane all he can handle.

Strange things happen - like when Stevie Moore (ProOne user) ran over Chris Bartrum (One Man No Aiming System) in their money match

John,

Some of what I said was said with a grain of salt.

According to your other post, with CTE Gerry should 'own' every shot & in the right format & with Gerry 'never' missing because he 'owns' every shot... Gerry should win.

It's a see saw with you.

You build it up with one of many speculative suppositions & then when that is taken to the the next 'logical' supposition, you shoot it down.

I'm speaking facetiously here, John. So there is no need to pick this apart.

Best Wishes.
 
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The circus is back in town. JB is the head clown, and the rest of the jokers are jumping out of the ridiculous looking case in his enormous signature picture.
 
I like to keep an open mind about these things. I think trying to describe it in a forum is 10 times more difficult then a hands on table demonstration (at least for me).
I have an open mind about the potential benefits of systems like CTE - I believe everybody who says it has helped them. From what I hear none of them have a clue how, but that doesn't seem to be a drawback for them (it may even be helpful). I've even taught systems like it, without the fanciful bits of course.

pj
chgo
 
I have an open mind about the potential benefits of systems like CTE - I believe everybody who says it has helped them. From what I hear none of them have a clue how, but that doesn't seem to be a drawback for them (it may even be helpful). I've even taught systems like it, without the fanciful bits of course.

pj
chgo


If JB -- who is one of the biggest (loudest) proponent of the system -- can't make CTE work in a live fire situation, what hope is there for anyone else?

He had the private time with Hal Houle; he knows the system inside/out; he presumably studied the two DVDs; AND he spent 15+ hours at Stan's house receiving personal tutelage and immediately claimed a TWO BALL IMPROVEMENT!!!!!

How can the average human pool player possibly derive any benefit whatsoever from CTE if John Barton hisself cannot successfully deploy said system against a lowly recreational player, such as myself?

Lou Figueroa
 
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