APA to increase skill levels

[Banks]

how often do you see a 7 play 20 safeties and afraid to runout though?

Just to clear things up for everyone, this 8 handicap increase I was just told is about 3 years away from happening. Top 7's will need to win an extra game and are considered S7's (super 7)

I spoke with a person on the APA board and said there is zero truth to the 8 SL

I thought this S7 thing already existed in the Super divisions that have a 25 point cap.

 

[j_zippel]

I thought this S7 thing already existed in the Super divisions that have a 25 point cap.

I thought we were referring to regular league, if not then what I said was pretty much irrelevant


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[Spimp13]

how often do you see a 7 play 20 safeties and afraid to runout though?

Just to clear things up for everyone, this 8 handicap increase I was just told is about 3 years away from happening. Top 7's will need to win an extra game and are considered S7's (super 7)

I spoke with a person on the APA board and said there is zero truth to the 8 SL

Interestingly enough this topic was brought up 7 years ago in this forum.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=91596&page=2

 

[tonyboy59]

how often do you see a 7 play 20 safeties and afraid to runout though?

Just to clear things up for everyone, this 8 handicap increase I was just told is about 3 years away from happening. Top 7's will need to win an extra game and are considered S7's (super 7)

I spoke with a person on the APA board and said there is zero truth to the 8 SL

how often do you see a 7 play 20 safeties and afraid to runout though?

Come to my league/division...seeing is believing.

 

[j_zippel]

how often do you see a 7 play 20 safeties and afraid to runout though?



Come to my league/division...seeing is believing.

Been a while since I've played APA, I guess small leagues tend to have more overrated players playing as 7's?


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[ctyhntr]

Are you referring to Masters division? There is no team cap in Masters. Not every league operator offers it.

I thought this S7 thing already existed in the Super divisions that have a 25 point cap.

 

[Spimp13]

Been a while since I've played APA, I guess small leagues tend to have more overrated players playing as 7's?


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When I played in APA about a year ago I would say about half of the 7s should be 6s imo if not a bit more...They didn't run out enough, safeties were soso, position play was soso, but they beat up on lower handicaps so their record looked good even though it was against 3s, 4s etc. I can't even count how many times I got ducked by 6s and 7s throughout the years. I always wanted to play the best, but sometimes that doesn't work out when it is their turn to throw etc.

 

[ctyhntr]

Regional variances. When I played APA in Manhattan, it wasn't uncommon to encounter a 4 with ball in hand to run out. Joined APA Bergen county, using the same handicap I had from Manhattan, the captain of the other team speed-dialed the league operator to immediately raise me 2 levels.

When I played in APA about a year ago I would say about half of the 7s should be 6s imo if not a bit more...They didn't run out enough, safeties were soso, position play was soso, but they beat up on lower handicaps so their record looked good even though it was against 3s, 4s etc. I can't even count how many times I got ducked by 6s and 7s throughout the years. I always wanted to play the best, but sometimes that doesn't work out when it is their turn to throw etc.

 

[Banks]

Are you referring to Masters division? There is no team cap in Masters. Not every league operator offers it.

Nah, they have a Super division that has a cap of 25. Afaik, there are no vegas opportunities right now, just local championships. I remember there being talk of S7's, but not sure if it was implemented everywhere with those divisions.

 

[Banks]

Regional variances. When I played APA in Manhattan, it wasn't uncommon to encounter a 4 with ball in hand to run out. Joined APA Bergen county, using the same handicap I had from Manhattan, the captain of the other team speed-dialed the league operator to immediately raise me 2 levels.

How long ago? I heard that the discrepancies had been fixed a few years back.

 

[lorider]

We do until you get some wannabe 7 playing 20 safeties because they are afraid to try to runout .

hey...i resemble that remark.

during regular session i usually reserve it untill i really want to beat some hot shot. like everyone else i dont want to stay late when i have to work the next day. i am a s/l 5 and in playoffs or higher i have been known to have a 40 inning match beating
6's and 7's

most league nights we are through by 11;00.....unless we play on the 9 footers which we do every 3 or so weeks. its excrutianig to watch 2-2's battle it out for 35 or more innings on the 9 footers.

just txt my lo and asked about them raising he handicaps ...he txt back and said he has heard nothing about it and asked where i got that info from . i told him i read it in this thread. hey...if its on the web its gotta be true right.:smile:

 

[ctyhntr]

Manhattan APA 2011. I started out as a SL4, got my ass kicked and ended up as SL3. Bergen County APA 2014, I kept my SL3 ranking and move up to SL5 within a season. Fluctuated between SL4/SL5 and was really hard for me to stay as a SL5.

How long ago? I heard that the discrepancies had been fixed a few years back.

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Am I missing something? Two 2's trying to get through 2-4 8ball games or finish 3 or 4 9ball racks usually take longer than any 6-7-8 matches. Another rack or two by upper rated players isn't going to add that much time, if any

Assuming its a tic tac toe runout. What if it is a protracted safety battle.

This is a stupid idea.

KMRUNOUT

 

[DaveM]

Assuming its a tic tac toe runout. What if it is a protracted safety battle.

This is a stupid idea.

KMRUNOUT

Still doesn't add much time, if any. Lower handicaps usually take longer to shoot, take more/longer timeouts. I don't see it anyway though. If you raise the handicaps and raise the team pt total, what do you accomplish? You could make everyone a 1,2 or 3 and have the team total be 11...

 

[Cory in DC]

Not really, the high end 7's in 8 ball I know plow through racks in the matter of a few minutes. It's the 2/3's that make for a long night


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Well, if they do make a change that lengthens the overall match, there are some obvious changes they could make to shorten the matches.

1. Designated breaker for 1s and 2s.

2. Allow unlimited insta-coaches for 1s and 2s. An insta-coach requires sitting in your chair and saying one short sentence to the shooter. "Shoot the 7!", "Hit into the 5-12-14 cluster", and so on. 2s deliberating over shots when its early in the game and their choice will (a) almost certainly have little effect on the outcome and (b) often not be one of the better available choices, can really drag things out.

Cory

 

[KMRUNOUT]

Still doesn't add much time, if any. Lower handicaps usually take longer to shoot, take more/longer timeouts. I don't see it anyway though. If you raise the handicaps and raise the team pt total, what do you accomplish? You could make everyone a 1,2 or 3 and have the team total be 11...

Yeah. It does add time. A clustered up rack of 8 ball among good players can take 20 minutes easy, sometimes more. And if you need more games to win, then the odds of a game like that developing is higher.

I'm curious what the "problem" is with handicaps going to 7.

KMRUNOUT

 

[Skippy27]

If you are not happy with the 23 cap then join the Masters league. That is what it is intended for you bunch of clowns. Yes I understand that the Masters league is not everywhere. However, part of the problem is that so many want to whine about the 23 cap more than they want to try to do something about it - like form a Masters league in their area.

In addition, I was just talking to a league rep from the corporate office the other day about 8 ball. He did not mention anything about SL8's coming and we were talking about SL6's and SL7's. We were discussing the differences between them and how tough it is to become a 7 as that was my goal by the end of the year. We also discussed how big of a difference one 7 can be over another and how there are some that have average innings at .0xx over others that have innings over 1.x and how there are 7's that just run over other 7's.

I would think that during that conversation he would have taken that opportunity to mention a SL8 coming.

 

[Skippy27]

Yeah. It does add time. A clustered up rack of 8 ball among good players can take 20 minutes easy, sometimes more. And if you need more games to win, then the odds of a game like that developing is higher.
KMRUNOUT

That is quite the exaggeration. 7's easily finish in a half hour even with a couple of games of clutter and safeties. Hell as a 6 my games against other 6's or even 5's rarely last that long. My longer games are still against 2's and 3's as they just keep mucking things up.

2 7's playing have a race 5/5. A 7 and a 6 it is a race of 5/4. IF they introduced a SL8, which I highly doubt they will anytime soon, they can easily make that race 5/4 for a 8vs7 and 6/4 for a 8vs6.

 

[trob]

Exactly!
Hopefully it's not a ploy to make more teams split. The 23 has to go up before I go back to APA. Tap's 25 is primarily why I play.

There is a huge difference between some 7's (8 ball) in out local league but the 8 thing only makes sense if they up the team limit


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I enjoy playing Apa 9 ball but they will never convince me keeping the cap so low isn't a business decision to split teams up and force you to recruit lol 23 in 8 ball and 9 ball makes no sense since there's a 2 number difference in handy caps

 

[jojopiff]

I would say so long as it's meant for the upper echelon (in my area rare they play APA anyway but...) I don't have a problem with it. But if it's a regular stepping stone where many above average 7's will end up then seems it'd be a ploy to get teams to eventually split.

My $.02 and it's worth what ya paid.