Ok now that JB and Lou is dead , who's next

[JB Cases]

You stipulated everything, so stop acting like you ever needed to agree on anything, cheater.

That Lou would drive elsewhere should let you know how he feels about dealing with you, even for a $20k freebie.

I know how he feels about me, scared to play me.

I didn't cheat, don't say it again.

Also I didn't stipulate everything. We negotiated the terms. Lou had already agreed to travel to an acceptable venue since part of my concern was doing it when I would be in the USA already rather than have to spend an extra $3000 to travel from China for one match.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Sooooooo tired of reading your endless woofs about this.

If I had lost a money match with a guy that I knew I was better than, I would play him again. I wouldn't do the power woof for double the original bet. If I don't play him again, I can't get any of my money back. The better player will play for ANY reasonable stakes. You could win your money back - but you're looking for the double up payday. It's like a guy I used to play a few years ago. Every time he lost, he wanted to go double or nothing. That's great, but I'm not going to beat a guy 4 sets, lose the 5th, and be even. Sorry - I value my time.

You could have bet big on the first match. The amount got up to over $20k, and you had side action. You backed out, and went back to $10k, and you cancelled all side action. Those are the actions of a player that knew he was about to get torched. Your words say otherwise, your actions scream "scared".

He beat you. Make every excuse you want. Doesn't matter. He has your money. The challenger goes to the champion, not the other way around. He said he'd post $10k, and you could come to him. That, to me, is low hanging fruit for you, IF you think you have the better end of the deal.

The only reason to fire a double bet at Lou is because you know he's smart, and that he won't take the bet. So, calling you out, John. You're the one that's scared. He's willing to put $10k in the middle. You just have to come to Lou. Call or fold. He's all in with $10k. You can't push $20k into the middle and make him fold, and say he's scared. No smart gambler lets someone double the stakes in the second game. Archer played Busty once, and ran the first set. Busty wanted to double the bet the second set. Archer said no. I guess using your logic, Johnny was scared of Busty, even though he had just broke and ran 11 on him for some serious dough?

 

[JB Cases]

Sooooooo tired of reading your endless woofs about this.

If I had lost a money match with a guy that I knew I was better than, I would play him again. I wouldn't do the power woof for double the original bet. If I don't play him again, I can't get any of my money back. The better player will play for ANY reasonable stakes. You could win your money back - but you're looking for the double up payday. It's like a guy I used to play a few years ago. Every time he lost, he wanted to go double or nothing. That's great, but I'm not going to beat a guy 4 sets, lose the 5th, and be even. Sorry - I value my time.

You could have bet big on the first match. The amount got up to over $20k, and you had side action. You backed out, and went back to $10k, and you cancelled all side action. Those are the actions of a player that knew he was about to get torched. Your words say otherwise, your actions scream "scared".

He beat you. Make every excuse you want. Doesn't matter. He has your money. The challenger goes to the champion, not the other way around. He said he'd post $10k, and you could come to him. That, to me, is low hanging fruit for you, IF you think you have the better end of the deal.

The only reason to fire a double bet at Lou is because you know he's smart, and that he won't take the bet. So, calling you out, John. You're the one that's scared. He's willing to put $10k in the middle. You just have to come to Lou. Call or fold. He's all in with $10k. You can't push $20k into the middle and make him fold, and say he's scared. No smart gambler lets someone double the stakes in the second game. Archer played Busty once, and ran the first set. Busty wanted to double the bet the second set. Archer said no. I guess using your logic, Johnny was scared of Busty, even though he had just broke and ran 11 on him for some serious dough?

I am scared to play for less than 20k. Have no interest in breaking even.

Johnny told me why he didn't double the bet. He said either of them were capable of running out the set. You also have the story wrong. Busty won the first set, with a seven pack inside the race to 13. Johnny won the flip and ran out the second set. Busty's backer offered to double the bet, Johnny's declined and Busty won the third set and they were done.

They played for $2500. Not serious dough.

I don't know about "smart gamblers". I guess a sucker, me, isn't smart to want to bet more when a guy already beat him once. But I am hard headed like that and am willing to try again. But if the better player is scared then not much I can do about it.

I stated my terms, they are simple. There are no rules in gambling except what's on the light stays on the light until the winner takes it down.

 

[JB Cases]

by the way Shawn, if you're tired don't open the threads and learn to use the scroll function. Works great for me to deal with topics I am "tired" of reading about.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

I am scared to play for less than 20k. Have no interest in breaking even.

Johnny told me why he didn't double the bet. He said either of them were capable of running out the set. You also have the story wrong. Busty won the first set, with a seven pack inside the race to 13. Johnny won the flip and ran out the second set. Busty's backer offered to double the bet, Johnny's declined and Busty won the third set and they were done.

They played for $2500. Not serious dough.

I don't know about "smart gamblers". I guess a sucker, me, isn't smart to want to bet more when a guy already beat him once. But I am hard headed like that and am willing to try again. But if the better player is scared then not much I can do about it.

I stated my terms, they are simple. There are no rules in gambling except what's on the light stays on the light until the winner takes it down.

Snakes seem to be able to slither out of anything

 

[MahnaMahna]

Most of us can look back on our lives and find a few moments when we acted like a jackass, and are highly embarrassed that we didn't recognize how foolish we were acting at the time.

JB's entire online existence is that moment.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Most of us can look back on our lives and find a few moments when we acted like a jackass, and are highly embarrassed that we didn't recognize how foolish we were acting at the time.

JB's entire online existence is that moment.

I'd love to watch JB's weekly poker game with the guys.....

Cards are dealt....JB opens with a raise. A player calls. Heads up. The flop, JB fires out a huge bet. The other guy calls.

The turn....JB woofs, and bets the pot. Gets called.

River card, JB checks....other guy sticks in a pot sized raise. JB takes all of his chips back out of the middle except for the what he put in before the flop, and says "sorry....the money I used after the flop was already allocated to my (insert any convenience excuse here) fund....we'll play the hand for what I put in before the flop".

If you did that anywhere besides on a pool forum, you'd walk with a limp for awhile.

 

[JB Cases]

I'd love to watch JB's weekly poker game with the guys.....

Cards are dealt....JB opens with a raise. A player calls. Heads up. The flop, JB fires out a huge bet. The other guy calls.

The turn....JB woofs, and bets the pot. Gets called.

River card, JB checks....other guy sticks in a pot sized raise. JB takes all of his chips back out of the middle except for the what he put in before the flop, and says "sorry....the money I used after the flop was already allocated to my (insert any convenience excuse here) fund....we'll play the hand for what I put in before the flop".

If you did that anywhere besides on a pool forum, you'd walk with a limp for awhile.

See, this is the basic problem....you don't understand when the money is ACTUALLY bet. In poker the money in the middle is BET, the money in FRONT of me is not. So your poker analogy is drawing dead because it illustrates my point and not yours.

That's why we freeze up money in pool. Every player on the planet knows there is no bet until the money's posted.

That's why I tried to DOUBLE the bet FOUR TIMES before the match with the stipulation being that we had to freeze the whole amount.

That would have been $20,000 PER SIDE frozen up.

Otherwise....things change.....anything can happen. Time kills deals as they say in the sales game.

Lou asked for 3k to be posted as show up money and that was ALL he was willing to put up in advance.

Not too hard to understand is it? Or is it?

I think it is apparently.

 

[JB Cases]

Most of us can look back on our lives and find a few moments when we acted like a jackass, and are highly embarrassed that we didn't recognize how foolish we were acting at the time.

JB's entire online existence is that moment.

Yeah....you're right. But my offline existence rocks balls. Well the online part isn't bad either given the amount of people who send me notes of support.

I don't put much stock in the negative opinions of anons....they carry about as much weight with me as cockroaches.

Negative opinions in general are just noise. I live my life the way I want to live it and not according to some online committee. You're welcome that I give you someone to talk about though. I bet it gives you a chubby when I acknowledge your comments.

Ciao Bella.

 

[JB Cases]

Snakes seem to be able to slither out of anything

Gee, for someone that never bets a quarter you sure have a lot to say about how I gamble.

And calling me a snake on top of it. Nice.

Anytime you're in OKC feel free to stop by and show me how much gamble you have. Until then it might be wise if you left the betting advice to the people who actually bet on pool.

 

[Banks]

I know how he feels about me, scared to play me.

I didn't cheat, don't say it again.

Also I didn't stipulate everything. We negotiated the terms. Lou had already agreed to travel to an acceptable venue since part of my concern was doing it when I would be in the USA already rather than have to spend an extra $3000 to travel from China for one match.

I won't say it again if you don't do it again.

As far as you traveling or betting..

You say you were on the road doing sales, plus the bet is counted as marketing.. so you still aren't out a damned thing.

Maybe you can hunt down English and get an even game.

 

[JB Cases]

I won't say it again if you don't do it again.

As far as you traveling or betting..

You say you were on the road doing sales, plus the bet is counted as marketing.. so you still aren't out a damned thing.

Maybe you can hunt down English and get an even game.

I didn't say I was "out" anything. But still putting up 10k is a lot. When you're the player in the box then it's more than just the marketing.

I am out 10k. I think I got my money's worth looking at as a marketing venture. But I would have been happier to get all that marketing without having had to pay cash for it. Yes I added the 10k into my marketing expenses for the year but it's still an expense. It was still money that could have been spent on other stuff. So it's not like it wasn't a real bet on my side. I just happen to have a company that makes pool cases to offset it against and realize a benefit from the runup to the match.

I wanted to win, I just didn't show up with what it took to win.

As for the traveling the point is that BOTH of us had to travel, Lou makes it sound like ONLY he did. I traveled from China and then around the southeast for two months before the match. Neither of us was playing on home court.

I don't even know if Rick actually plays pool. Might find out next time I am in the New Orleans area.

And don't call me a cheater again period.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

And don't call me a cheater again period.

So, you're playing One Pocket against Lou. Your wife leaves the game, goes and gets someone, and that someone that sits down with her, and happens to talk with you while covering his mouth, and looking back and forth at the tables you were playing.....was a pizza delivery guy, right? Oh, wait. Travel agent.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

I didn't say I was "out" anything. But still putting up 10k is a lot. When you're the player in the box then it's more than just the marketing.

I am out 10k. I think I got my money's worth looking at as a marketing venture. But I would have been happier to get all that marketing without having had to pay cash for it. Yes I added the 10k into my marketing expenses for the year but it's still an expense. It was still money that could have been spent on other stuff. So it's not like it wasn't a real bet on my side. I just happen to have a company that makes pool cases to offset it against and realize a benefit from the runup to the match.

So, were you gambling, or was it a business/marketing venture? I'm confused. You keep flip flopping.....oh wait.....sorry....I forgot who I was talking with for a second. Carry on.

 

[Banks]

So, were you gambling, or was it a business/marketing venture? I'm confused. You keep flip flopping.....oh wait.....sorry....I forgot who I was talking with for a second. Carry on.

It was written off and paid for itself. Wait, no, it was a bet. Hold on, it was a gamble, since he didn't know if his marketing would pay off.

All i know is that he couldn't beat the air out of a paper bag. He barks at anybody that doesn't know that, just like i didn't until seeing him on video. Now he makes unreasonable demands knowing full well he won't be taken up on them.

And the room owner called him on cheating.

 

[Banks]

And don't call me a cheater again period.

What are you going to do? Challenge me to a $1,000,000,000 match in Khazakstan?

 

[JB Cases]

So, were you gambling, or was it a business/marketing venture? I'm confused. You keep flip flopping.....oh wait.....sorry....I forgot who I was talking with for a second. Carry on.

It was all of it.

I could have won $10,000. Then my marketing expense would have been totally free. Since I didn't win I just rolled it up into my expenses and absorbed it easily.

Tell me again the last time you put $10,000 on the table in a money match?

Oh was that NEVER?

 

[JB Cases]

What are you going to do? Challenge me to a $1,000,000,000 match in Khazakstan?

No, I am going to ask Mike Howerton to censure you for breaking the rules and defaming me.

 

[Banks]

It was all of it.

I could have won $10,000. Then my marketing expense would have been totally free. Since I didn't win I just rolled it up into my expenses and absorbed it easily.

Tell me again the last time you put $10,000 on the table in a money match?

Oh was that NEVER?

Probably the same time he reneged on a similar amount of side bets.

 

[Banks]

No, I am going to ask Mike Howerton to censure you for breaking the rules and defaming me.

Lol!

Maybe you shouldn't have cheated.