Some added perspective for my 5 shot video

mohrt said:
This has been explained several times. Perception != Angle. You only need to "choose" one perception, such as CTEL/A, for the entire range of shots. Every CB/OB arrangement presents a unique perception which results in a unique orientation, even though on the surface the execution is simply CTEL/A. You can only realize this at the table, obviously explanation by words will never be enough.
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Hi Monty,

I can't get into it with you here. I simply put out food for thought for anyone inclined to do any critical thinking from an unbiased objective perspective.

That said, I would simply ask you one question though.

WHAT is it... that is objective... that tells you... what is the proper perception for the shot?

Please just think about that?

Best Wishes to You & All.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Hi Monty,

I can't get into it with you here. I simply put out food for thought for anyone inclined to do any critical thinking from an unbiased objective perspective.

That said, I would simply ask you one question though.

WHAT is it... that is objective... that tells you... what is the proper perception for the shot?

Please just think about that?

Best Wishes to You & All.
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That is the million dollar question isn't it? One that no one can seem to agree on. At the table we can apply the system (line up CTEL/A, pivot, etc) and observe our perception doing some pretty articulate things, and CTE as a system taking advantage of exactly this. As you have said yourself, our minds are capable of so much. Stan has come up with about the best statement that can be made. So it is by observation that our minds can take a perspective view of two balls on a 2x1 table where pockets are always at the 90s. From this information we can plug in some basic execution of balls and edges and quarters and using our perception, unlock the proper shot line for a given shot. How "exactly" does it work? No one has all the words to perfectly convey that, but at least we know what to do to observe it.

CTE, ghostball, CP2CP. They are all different ways of pocketing balls. Say you can choose to go to war with a sword, a hammer, or bow and arrow. Choose your weapon, and beware of the battle-tested guy wielding the hammer. :) (meaning, even a ghostballer given enough determination can be deadly.)
 
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mohrt said:
That is the million dollar question isn't it? One that no one can seem to agree on. At the table we can apply the system (line up CTEL/A, pivot, etc) and observe our perception doing some pretty articulate things, and CTE as a system taking advantage of exactly this. As you have said yourself, our minds are capable of so much. Stan has come up with about the best statement that can be made. So it is by observation that our minds can take a perspective view of two balls on a 2x1 table where pockets are always at the 90s. From this information we can plug in some basic execution of balls and edges and quarters and using our perception, unlock the proper shot line for a given shot. How "exactly" does it work? No one has all the words to perfectly convey that, but at least we know what to do to observe it.

CTE, ghostball, CP2CP. They are all different ways of pocketing balls. Say you can choose to go to war with a sword, a hammer, or bow and arrow. Choose your weapon, and beware of the battle-tested guy wielding the hammer. :)
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Is that an answer?

Like I said, I can not get into here. Check your PMs.

Best Wishes to You & All.
 
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Dan White said:
I think the obligatory reply is something like, "You suck, Stan's kid is awesome and so there's your proof."

(Just trying to save some time).
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A counter reply would go something like this, "My name is Dan, (or any other name) CTE sucks. Look how awesome I play at pro level and don't even use the voodoo stuff. There's your proof."

For somebody who stated they never got involved in the aiming wars and wanted to continue the trend of staying uninvolved, it certainly looks like you've been infected with the anti-CTE rabies and keep foaming at the mouth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr3TfXdVSnA
 
SpiderWebComm said:
A counter reply would go something like this, "My name is Dan, (or any other name) CTE sucks. Look how awesome I play at pro level and don't even use the voodoo stuff. There's your proof."
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So all those pros who don't use CTE prove it's voodoo stuff that sucks.

Hater.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
So all those KEYBOARD pros who don't use CTE prove it's voodoo stuff that sucks.

Hater.

pj
chgo
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More like Dan White, Pat Johnson, Lou, (list goes on) who aren't anywhere close to playing at pro level except for being KEYBOARD PROS and say it sucks when they actually suck at pool themselves.

Poser
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Hi Monty,

I can't get into it with you here. I simply put out food for thought for anyone inclined to do any critical thinking from an unbiased objective perspective.

That said, I would simply ask you one question though.

WHAT is it... that is objective... that tells you... what is the proper perception for the shot?

Please just think about that?

Best Wishes to You & All.
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The alignment.

For a straight in shot - center to center tells you where the shot line is. For other shots you have to practice to know which alignment perception is right but once you know then you know it forever because it is always the same.

The trial and error process is reduced tremendously to a just a few choices and when you know which one is right then it's objectively right.

Then you can turn to a person familiar with the same method of perceptual alignment and give them the "key" and they can immediately with no instruction go into the shot and be lined up perfectly on the shot line. They don't need to guess or ask questions or adjust in any way.

That's the objective that let's you know you're on the right shot line.
 
JB Cases said:
The alignment.

For a straight in shot - center to center tells you where the shot line is. For other shots you have to practice to know which alignment perception is right but once you know then you know it forever because it is always the same.

The trial and error process is reduced tremendously to a just a few choices and when you know which one is right then it's objectively right.

Then you can turn to a person familiar with the same method of perceptual alignment and give them the "key" and they can immediately with no instruction go into the shot and be lined up perfectly on the shot line. They don't need to guess or ask questions or adjust in any way.

That's the objective that let's you know you're on the right shot line.
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John,

Like Dan did, I had already decided during the end of our last long 'discussion', to not to continue to discuss the matter with you because of the same reasons stated by Dan.

You can not even see the totally illogical circle jerk of this post of yours...

or you do... & you do it intentionally.

Best Wishes to You & Yours,

& All.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
John,
Like Dan did, during the end of our last long 'discussion', I had already decided not to continue to discuss the matter with to you because of the same reasons stated by Dan.
You can not even see the totally illogical circle jerk of this post of yours...
or you do... & you do it intentionally.
Best Wishes to You & Yours,
& All.
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I think you made a wonderful decision.
Now, on to bigger and better things.
 
JB Cases said:
The alignment.
For a straight in shot - center to center tells you where the shot line is. For other shots you have to practice to know which alignment perception is right but once you know then you know it forever because it is always the same.
The trial and error process is reduced tremendously to a just a few choices and when you know which one is right then it's objectively right.
Then you can turn to a person familiar with the same method of perceptual alignment and give them the "key" and they can immediately with no instruction go into the shot and be lined up perfectly on the shot line. They don't need to guess or ask questions or adjust in any way.
That's the objective that let's you know you're on the right shot line.
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Mr. Barton.
I'd like your opinion on something I've noticed on those 0 angle straight in shots.
If I get lazy, after learning CTE, and then on a straight in, I choose to aim in the old fashioned way of "that looks good".....the shot is prone to miss more.
I believe this is because the brain has been conditioned to execute precisely and using anything other than CTE is fighting against what it has absorbed...resulting in a brain malfunction which is transmitted to the body....resulting in a miss.
I find that by coming into that straight in with a 15degree perception and then pivoting into the OB at center, those balls drill the back of the pocket like they came out of a cannon.
What is your comment on this?
Thank you sir.
Regards,
Flash
 
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Why did you say that shooting a 30 with a 15 rattles 'perfectly' when Stan says that they are interchangeable?



GoldenFlash said:
So sorry...you don't get to discuss it with me either.
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I think that response might be a bit telling to the undecided.
 
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GoldenFlash said:
Mr. Barton.
I'd like your opinion on something I've noticed on those 0 angle straight in shots.
If I get lazy, after learning CTE, and then on a straight in, I choose to aim in the old fashioned way of "that looks good".....the shot is prone to miss more.
I believe this is because the brain has been conditioned to execute precisely and using anything other than CTE is fighting against what it has absorbed...resulting in a brain malfunction which is transmitted to the body....resulting in a miss.
I find that by coming into that straight in with a 15degree perception and then pivoting into the OB at center, those balls drill the back of the pocket like they came out of a cannon.
What is your comment on this?
Thank you sir.
Regards,
Flash
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The most likely reason that happens is because with your old way of aiming, you would make little adjustments to make the shot. Now, using CTE, you have learned to trust the system and not make any adjustments to it. So, now when you try the old way, if you aren't lined up perfectly to start with, you will miss it.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
A counter reply would go something like this, "My name is Dan, (or any other name) CTE sucks. Look how awesome I play at pro level and don't even use the voodoo stuff. There's your proof."

For somebody who stated they never got involved in the aiming wars and wanted to continue the trend of staying uninvolved, it certainly looks like you've been infected with the anti-CTE rabies and keep foaming at the mouth.
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SpiderWebb or whatever your name is, I'm sure in real life you are a perfectly pleasant person, but online you come off a little nuts. I never said CTE doesn't work. I said Stan appears to be incapable of describing it properly. There's a big difference and I'm sure you see that. I remain open to the idea that CTE works even if it's main proponent (Stan) continues to doublespeak and insult people trying to learn from his posts. Having said that, the more that time passes with nothing but threats and insults and hyperbole coming from the CTE Master, the more you have to begin wondering what is really going on.
 
Dan White said:
SpiderWebb or whatever your name is, I'm sure in real life you are a perfectly pleasant person, but online you come off a little nuts. I never said CTE doesn't work. I said Stan appears to be incapable of describing it properly. There's a big difference and I'm sure you see that. I remain open to the idea that CTE works even if it's main proponent (Stan) continues to doublespeak and insult people trying to learn from his posts. Having said that, the more that time passes with nothing but threats and insults and hyperbole coming from the CTE Master, the more you have to begin wondering what is really going on.
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Spider = Dave Segal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh7NlyAmsE4

Lou Figueroa
no, no
don't thank me
 
GoldenFlash said:
Mr. Barton.
I'd like your opinion on something I've noticed on those 0 angle straight in shots.
If I get lazy, after learning CTE, and then on a straight in, I choose to aim in the old fashioned way of "that looks good".....the shot is prone to miss more.
I believe this is because the brain has been conditioned to execute precisely and using anything other than CTE is fighting against what it has absorbed...resulting in a brain malfunction which is transmitted to the body....resulting in a miss.
I find that by coming into that straight in with a 15degree perception and then pivoting into the OB at center, those balls drill the back of the pocket like they came out of a cannon.
What is your comment on this?
Thank you sir.
Regards,
Flash
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Neil said:
The most likely reason that happens is because with your old way of aiming, you would make little adjustments to make the shot. Now, using CTE, you have learned to trust the system and not make any adjustments to it. So, now when you try the old way, if you aren't lined up perfectly to start with, you will miss it.
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Here's my (heretical) version of the reason: the choreographed movements of CTE enable your subconscious by 1) occupying your conscious mind with steps* while 2) narrowing your focus in increments on your stick and the aim line.

pj
chgo

*Occupying the conscious mind with routine is a method used in meditation, hypnosis and similar techniques for reaching a state of "energized concentration" ("flow" or "the zone").
 
Neil said:
The most likely reason that happens is because with your old way of aiming, you would make little adjustments to make the shot. Now, using CTE, you have learned to trust the system and not make any adjustments to it. So, now when you try the old way, if you aren't lined up perfectly to start with, you will miss it.
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Sounds good to me....:thumbup2:
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
(this CTE thing is just pure murder once a person gets it down and clears his brain of all that accumulated junk he's believed in for decades)
The banks are still knocking me around though. I'll get it down, but as always with me...I am a slow learner.
Regards,
Flash
 
Dan White said:
SpiderWebb or whatever your name is, I'm sure in real life you are a perfectly pleasant person, but online you come off a little nuts. I never said CTE doesn't work. I said Stan appears to be incapable of describing it properly. There's a big difference and I'm sure you see that. I remain open to the idea that CTE works even if it's main proponent (Stan) continues to doublespeak and insult people trying to learn from his posts. Having said that, the more that time passes with nothing but threats and insults and hyperbole coming from the CTE Master, the more you have to begin wondering what is really going on.
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Everyone who gets involved in the aiming wars eventually becomes nuts. You're exponentially on a faster track to nuttiness than all of us right now. It's overtaking your life. I guess getting totally rejected by Stan was a biatch for your ego and a hard pill to swallow but you had it coming. He owes you nothing and probably should have done it sooner. Since then you continue to show your true colors and low class in every post.

"Nuts" is also a matter of perspective based on which side you're on, and there have always been sides since Hal Houle and Patrick Johnson made their first posts on RSB 18 years ago. You've chosen the side you're on so suck it up because if you want to keep posting your uneducated drivel about CTE or to badmouth Stan, expect to be laid to waste.

You've become Dan "Rabid Dog" White and you'll be treated as such.

Btw, since you're now an expert on CTE and think Stan is doing a lousy job of explaining it properly, why don't you just go ahead and explain it better since you are convinced that it works. (which it does) The floor is all yours.
 
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This thread is indicative of just about every CTE thread and how they play out on this forum. It's absolutely disgusting.

Stan created the thread by giving some additional detailed information about the 5 different shots for those who are deeply involved with CTE as well as for those who want to learn how to PRACTICE it on the table. Not beat it like a dead horse for the millionth time, but PRACTICE IT.

What happens? The current champion of CTE troll stalkers, English, was the first to post and has since created over a dozen additional novel like posts talking about crap that he's done repeatedly as if he knows what's going on.

Then the regular cast of characters jump right in from two decades ago to further derail the information and thread as they've always done. Pat Johnson, Lou Figueroa, 8pack Tony, and now Dan "rabid dog" White their newest recruit and loyal troll stalker.

If you don't want to use CTE and think it's a waste of time, no problem. Don't use it and STAY THE HELL OUT!!

Let those who DO USE IT and want to learn more of the technique discuss it without all the damn misinformation and constant interference.

It's only another aiming system for Christ sake!! Just think how easy it will be for you to wipe them out if you ever have to play against them in a tournament or gambling.
It would be to your benefit to PROMOTE THE SYSTEM for your own good! You'll always be better than any CTE user since it'll ruin their game!
 
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