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I was allowed to play last year (before Fargo Ratings were well know) as an Open A player. My current Fargo Rating is 662. I am still considered an Open A player? What are the Fargo Ratings ranges for each BCA level. What is the minimum Fargo Rating that is considered at pro level?
 
Jon is just one example and i chose him cause he won the Open singles last year.
I don't care if he has old games, new games or no games. He shouldn't be ranked so high to be a top 100 male player in the world.

Anyways - what this tells me is that 200 games should not be the published threshold. I am a 571, haven't won more than two matches in singles the past two years and have a higher rating than people that beat me. But I am damned cause I have supported the BCAPL and played every year since 1998 while some new player with limited games in the system will get a walk thru.

Hi Steve,

Just for the fun of it, I looked you and the other guys up at the fairmatch.com site. You are listed as a 571 as Mike stated. Nick Tafoya is a 679 and Adam Behnke a 718. How did you wind up playing them in the Open event? Adam's a Master and Nick is listed as Advanced. As his number is essentially the same as mine and I was just dropped to Advanced last Fall, he must have also been a Master player. Somethings not right.

Incidentally, I have two numbers. One at the Fargo Rate Fair Match site and another at the BCAPL site. They differ by 60 points! This is certainly going to be a very interesting year. I'm signed up for ACS already. VNEA is also in May. Might just skip this year's BCAPL event and see how it all shakes out. Good luck to you.

Lyn
 
Hi Steve,

Just for the fun of it, I looked you and the other guys up at the fairmatch.com site. You are listed as a 571 as Mike stated. Nick Tafoya is a 679 and Adam Behnke a 718. How did you wind up playing them in the Open event? Adam's a Master and Nick is listed as Advanced. As his number is essentially the same as mine and I was just dropped to Advanced last Fall, he must have also been a Master player. Somethings not right.

Incidentally, I have two numbers. One at the Fargo Rate Fair Match site and another at the BCAPL site. They differ by 60 points! This is certainly going to be a very interesting year. I'm signed up for ACS already. VNEA is also in May. Might just skip this year's BCAPL event and see how it all shakes out. Good luck to you.

Lyn

Lyn, all of the names got you mixed up. He played Chad, who's limping around at 696. :o
 
I was allowed to play last year (before Fargo Ratings were well know) as an Open A player. My current Fargo Rating is 662. I am still considered an Open A player? What are the Fargo Ratings ranges for each BCA level. What is the minimum Fargo Rating that is considered at pro level?

Mike Page has answered this before in another thread but I don't know which one. The basic idea is that after everyone is signed up they'll look at all the scores and divide it up into divisions by relative standings in the ratings. Maybe the top 1/3 by Fargo rating goes into what used to be Advanced, middle third into Open, bottom third into Casual, something like that. You don't register for a specific division, you just register for e.g., "Singles 8-ball" and then they tell you which division you're in after you're registered. At least that's my understanding of how they described it.

Oh, it has the exact breakdowns here: http://www.playcsipool.com/2016-bcapl-national-championships.html
 
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Hi Steve,

Just for the fun of it, I looked you and the other guys up at the fairmatch.com site. You are listed as a 571 as Mike stated. Nick Tafoya is a 679 and Adam Behnke a 718. How did you wind up playing them in the Open event? Adam's a Master and Nick is listed as Advanced. As his number is essentially the same as mine and I was just dropped to Advanced last Fall, he must have also been a Master player. Somethings not right.

Incidentally, I have two numbers. One at the Fargo Rate Fair Match site and another at the BCAPL site. They differ by 60 points! This is certainly going to be a very interesting year. I'm signed up for ACS already. VNEA is also in May. Might just skip this year's BCAPL event and see how it all shakes out. Good luck to you.

Lyn

I played Chad Behnke 3 years ago when I made it to the final board (64 I think). I had a good draw that year. Don't remember all the specifics but a bye, a few easy matches, a loss to a good player and then Sunday night I played a real good player on the loser's side. He had me down 4-1 and I went into safety break mode. It completely frustrated him and I came back to win hill hill. Then I drew Chad with the first match on the final board. Tried the same against him and it worked the first 3 games - unfortunately I missed 2 balls in those 3 games while running out (as I should based on my rating). If I make those two outs, the match would have been closer. I let him up for air and he went on to drill me.

Nick Tafoya I played in my first match of the Open two years ago. He doesn't miss much. I hear his brother is an even better player. But I can let you know that Nick doesn't play anywhere near close to say Jon Brown or Lance Schofield. My buddy played Lance in a match last year and I googled him as they were playing. I didn't tell my buddy what I saw so not to shark him but I knew what the outcome would be once I saw Lance's status.

I've told Mark for 4 years he can hire me to investigate any player prior to the BCAPL. He never took me up on it and things like this happen over and over. It seems that people who even know that some player is not an Open player just keep quiet about it and let it continue to go on.

Conversely, Nick Evans who is from my area was not allowed to play in Open Singles last year. This was after we received an email saying he could play.

Lyn - if you skip the BCAPL, at least come by and give me a lesson.
 
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The FARGO ratings seem to have been updated a lot recently. Not sure how this new category "Starter Rating" is being used. For example, a player with robustness of 162, has a starter rating of 525, and a Fargo rating of 588. Which of these numbers will be used by the BCA when entering state or regional tournaments?
 
I see that some have changed a bit after the new look. Not sure any went up, but i can see some that have dropped up to around 100 points. I don't remember seeing any duplicates of the ones i checked, so im guessing there must be more to it.
 
How do you search?

Whenever I look at this I can only see the top 100.

How can I search for the other million?
 
The FARGO ratings seem to have been updated a lot recently. Not sure how this new category "Starter Rating" is being used. For example, a player with robustness of 162, has a starter rating of 525, and a Fargo rating of 588. Which of these numbers will be used by the BCA when entering state or regional tournaments?

You can look up players at farrmatch.fargorate.com. This is a beta version of what will become a mobile app.

Let me explain the new "starter rating" thing. Nothing has changed about our optimization, and all players with greater than 200 games in the system (robustness of 200+) see the same thing they saw before. What has changed is what we display for unestablished players (those with no games or with up to 199 games in the system).

First, let me explain how the optimization itself treats unestablished players. Suppose you, a new player, play your friend, an established player, 500 games. Your friend wins 400 to 100. The optimization will say your rating is 200 points below the rating of your friend. This is fine.

But suppose you as a new player instead play only 5 games against a different friend with an established rating, and you lose 4-1. The optimization in this case will also put you 200 points below your friend (because you lost at a 4 to 1 ratio). But in this case your robustness is only 5, and your rating is likely unreliable. It's more likely you're closer to your friend than that and we are seeing a statistical fluctuation. The performance rating from the optimization is volatile for players with only a few games. We used to display "?" for players with fewer than 35 games and the actual performance rating for players with 35 or more games.

Now we have assigned every unestablished player a "starter rating." This is 525 for most people. Then what is displayed in fairmatch for unestablished players is a transitional rating; it is a weighted average of the starter rating and the performance rating. If a player has 20 games (10% of the 200 required for an established rating), the starter rating is weighted 90%. If a player has 180 games (90% of the 200 required for an established rating), the starter rating is weighted 10%, i.e., is almost forgotten.

The bold ratings below are the established ratings. These players have more than 200 games in the system.

Duane Hole has 179 games, so his displayed transitional rating of 544 is determined almost entirely from performance. For Bobby Yolo and Michael Cometsevah, the ratings are determined about half from the starter rating and half from actual performance. Notice these two have starter ratings different from the most common 525. This is because Bobby Yolo was classified "master" and Michael C was classified "leisure" by CSI.

Male Open and female Advanced are given starter ratings of 525. Male Advanced 625; female open, 425, etc. The default for everyone else is 525. As people unestablished play more, the rating becomes more and more based on performance and eventually is is based entirely on performance
 

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Thanks Sir

No problem.

The thing is filled with names now, but you can use partial words to assist the search. Instead of looking for John Jingleheimerschmidt, you can search john jingl. So, if your search turns up too many, it's easy to narrow it down a bit. I think that you can also highlight the stars next to the names to create a favorites list that you can bring up fro, the main page, so you can keep up with friends, favorite players or potential action.
 
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