Has the quality difference between "custom" and "production" become negligible?

plhlolelnlilx said:
The short bus.

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There's an aiming forum you should check out. It's just about your speed.

I'd write this in crayon, so that you'd understand, but even then, I think you'd have issues reading it. I can order a Lucasi shaft online. And it fits my Lucasi cue. Dead flush. I don't need to send them the butt. And I can do this with every shaft they make. When you can make 1000 butts that match up with 1000 shafts, in any pairing, you're building a quality product. McDermott can't even do it in 10 cues.

It has nothing to do with a pin they use. It has to do with the tolerances they build to. Case in point - OB makes Uniloc shafts. The inserts are all installed off centre. And their joint diameters fluctuate. So it has nothing to do with the pin they use. Mezz can make uniform shafts across the range of their cues. So can Pechauer.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
There's an aiming forum you should check out. It's just about your speed.

I'd write this in crayon, so that you'd understand, but even then, I think you'd have issues reading it. I can order a Lucasi shaft online. And it fits my Lucasi cue. Dead flush. I don't need to send them the butt. And I can do this with every shaft they make. When you can make 1000 butts that match up with 1000 shafts, in any pairing, you're building a quality product. McDermott can't even do it in 10 cues.

It has nothing to do with a pin they use. It has to do with the tolerances they build to. Case in point - OB makes Uniloc shafts. The inserts are all installed off centre. And their joint diameters fluctuate. So it has nothing to do with the pin they use. Mezz can make uniform shafts across the range of their cues. So can Pechauer.
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I don't get it. Derrr.

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Shawn Armstrong said:
What did I miss? Mezz does it. Pechauer does it. No Unilocs. No radials. And they aren't Predator.

BTW, Predator doesn't make cues. Or shafts. Someone else does it for them. Just an FYI.
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I think he's talking about the shafts that are readily available for AND that closely match the tolerances for McDermott cues ONLY

If so, he saying Mezz and Predator don't make shafts that directly and closely match a McDermott UNLESS you custom order them to your exact specs...

If I'm wrong I have to go to reading class too.. :sorry::o
 
skins said:
I think he's talking about the shafts that are readily available for AND that closely match the tolerances for McDermott cues ONLY

If so, he saying Mezz and Predator don't make shafts that directly and closely match a McDermott UNLESS you custom order them to your exact specs...

If I'm wrong I have to go to reading class too.. :sorry::o
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Actually, you are correct sir. McDermott was just an example but it could very well be Mezz, Pechauer, Jacoby, Schon, McDermott, Viking, ect.

I'm the same guy that posted a Predator LE-3 was one of the highest quality production cues I've come across in a while. I'm not anti production cue but there is a value in finding someone that has great design concepts, excellent construction techniques and will give me exactly what I ask for. I'm a tall guy and still can't figure out why in the world the standard cue length is 58".



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What if you buy a custom from a production company? Are the cues made different? Would I have a custom cue or a one of a kind production cue?

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skins said:
I think he's talking about the shafts that are readily available for AND that closely match the tolerances for McDermott cues ONLY

If so, he saying Mezz and Predator don't make shafts that directly and closely match a McDermott UNLESS you custom order them to your exact specs...

If I'm wrong I have to go to reading class too.. :sorry::o
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The point I was making is that within their own brand of cues, they can't make a shaft that fits their own cues, unless they have the butt to match. Why can other companies do this with no issue, yet they can't?

One thing I LOVE about Mr. Josey - TOLERANCES. When you're an international buyer, I don't like shipping my cue back across borders to have shafts made for the cue. It costs me duties, taxes and brokerage. A $200 shaft ends up costing near $400. I could call Keith and he'd make a shaft, and it fit. Dead nuts. Without needing the butt.

Mezz can do it within their own line. I order a Mezz shaft for a Mezz cue with the United Joint, and it's a dead fit to the butt. Pechauer shafts are the same. I can't take a shaft off one McDermott, and stick it on another McDermott, and have it fit. There can be as much as 0.01" difference, which is quite noticeable on a cue.

I don't care about Predators happening to fit on any other cue. I happen to care when a manufacturer can't make a standard joint size across their offering. The fact that a Predator shaft fits my Lucasi flush off the shelf is a bonus, but not the point of my post.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Please read the post about .01" variance in a well known custom cuemaker's "meticulously crafted" cue vs the .002" variance from the "ram rodded" production house.....that was set up by Bill Stroud.

Keep huffing the "custom" fumes.
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You are obviously not well versed in building a cue. Why does my cue hit and have a certain resonance that you will NEVER hear out of a production cue. There is more to building a quality cue than supposed tolerances...

See my post above. This conversation is over between us. Good day.
 
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jhanso18 said:
You are obviously not well versed in building a cue. Why does my cue hit and have a certain resonance that you will NEVER hear out of a production cue. There is more to building a quality cue than supposed tolerances...

See my post above. This conversation is over between us. Good day.
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....has said every "custom cuemaker" on the planet.

The "I hug my wood" argument gets really old, really fast.

Good day to you, too. Your perceived important of "resonance" has never aided in pocketing a ball.

I've never heard ONE pool player say "wow, did you hear the resonance that cue makes??"........
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
....has said every "custom cuemaker" on the planet.

The "I hug my wood" argument gets really old, really fast.

Good day to you, too. Your perceived important of "resonance" has never aided in pocketing a ball.

I've never heard ONE pool player say "wow, did you hear the resonance that cue makes??"........
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You hear people say this cue feels dead.
They really mean they can't feel it resonate.
 
jhanso18 said:
You are obviously not well versed in building a cue. Why does my cue hit and have a certain resonance that you will NEVER hear out of a production cue. There is more to building a quality cue than supposed tolerances...

See my post above. This conversation is over between us. Good day.
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Sorry but your wrong there are production cues that have the hit of custom , Mezz certainly is one of them ,, thier also better made than countless custom makers cues

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JoeyInCali said:
You hear people say this cue feels dead.
They really mean they can't feel it resonate.
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Joey, this guy is a clown. He knows nothing. He thinks Lucasi is a quality built cue.

You can't explain why a Lamborghini is better than a Honda, to a person that thinks the sole measuring quality of a car is it's ability to get from point a to point b.
 
jhanso18 said:
Joey, this guy is a clown. He knows nothing. He thinks Lucasi is a quality built cue.

You can't explain why a Lamborghini is better than a Honda, to a person that thinks the sole measuring quality of a car is it's ability to get from point a to point b.
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For their price, Lucasi is a quality built cue? Mine hasn't disintegrated yet. No de-lamination, points are smooth linen hasn't come undone. Solid hit with a good feel for me.

Shrug.
 
jhanso18 said:
Joey, this guy is a clown. He knows nothing. He thinks Lucasi is a quality built cue.

You can't explain why a Lamborghini is better than a Honda, to a person that thinks the sole measuring quality of a car is it's ability to get from point a to point b.
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How many world champions play with a Keith cue? Answer: 0

How many play with a Lucasi? More than 0.

How many cars does Honda sell in a year? Answer: a shit tonne more than Lamborghini.

Bill Stroud has said that Lucasi is a quality build. His nut sack has more cuemaking ability than both of your hands. So, guess who's the clown? Answer: not me.
 
JoeyInCali said:
You hear people say this cue feels dead.
They really mean they can't feel it resonate.
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I can change the resonance of a cue by loosening a weight bolt. Or changing the tip. Or the ferrule material. "Resonance" isn't objective. It's subjective. And can be changed by a multitude of things. It has little to do with build quality. A cue can be structurally sound, and still hit "bad", in one player's assessment. The next guy who picks up the cue says it hits a tonne.

I rip Everest tips off every aftermarket shaft I buy. They "resonate" much better after the change.
 
There's nothing wrong with Lucasi cues or shafts. ALL piloted joint cues should be able to have shafts made with a reasonable expectation to fit properly along the collar. That is the difference! When you have a piece of brass that locates the shaft to the bore by the pin it should almost always be centered.

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plhlolelnlilx said:
There's nothing wrong with Lucasi cues or shafts. ALL piloted joint cues should be able to have shafts made with a reasonable expectation to fit properly along the collar. That is the difference! When you have a piece of brass that locates the shaft to the bore by the pin it should almost always be centered.

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Care to explain this? You know, because the shaft had to be drilled and tapped for the brass insert.

How does Mezz get the same repeatability in their wood to wood threads?

Are you saying that all cues that are wood to wood joints will be off centre? What about the radial pin you mentioned? It's wood to wood. How do the makers keep it centred without the brass? :)
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I can change the resonance of a cue by loosening a weight bolt. Or changing the tip. Or the ferrule material. "Resonance" isn't objective. It's subjective. And can be changed by a multitude of things. It has little to do with build quality. A cue can be structurally sound, and still hit "bad", in one player's assessment. The next guy who picks up the cue says it hits a tonne.

I rip Everest tips off every aftermarket shaft I buy. They "resonate" much better after the change.
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Sorry, I don't agree.

You can't un-dead a dead .
 
You get what you pay for.......production cues are fine.......so are custom cues.......nonetheless there's genuine differences between these two type pool cues........just buy what you can afford.


Matt B.
 
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