Should more 9/10 ball tournaments be played on a "Call shot, Call safe" format?

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justinb386

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Should more 9/10 ball tournaments be played on a "Call shot, Call safe" format?

I was just thinking about some of the lucky rolls that Ko got (against Shane) in the finals of the world 9 ball championships, and I wonder if things may have turned out differently if the world 9 ball championships were played in a "call shot, call safe" format.

I think that is a really good format, and I think more tournaments should be run in the "call shot, call safe" format, because it forces a no luck policy in games, and relies on complete skill of the player (without the possibility of any luck saving them from losing a game).

What do you think?
 
I prefer to gamble this way. For the same reason it should be the norm in professional pool...the best player wins more often in this format. Seems the pros don't even want to eliminate the luck, though when they lose with it they often complain.

In amateur pool slop has been the norm so long. It might turn off players who don't have the skill to appreciate called shot called safe.
 
cueenvy said:
I prefer to gamble this way. For the same reason it should be the norm in professional pool...the best player wins more often in this format. Seems the pros don't even want to eliminate the luck, though when they lose with it they often complain.

In amateur pool slop has been the norm so long. It might turn off players who don't have the skill to appreciate called shot called safe.
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I think that amateur pool tournaments, and leagues should also be played on a "call shot, call safe" format. If it is not even wanted by the pro's, then that is just sad I think. Maybe if most of the pros felt the same way, then the amateurs would start thinking alike (but I do not know). Just a thought.
 
9 ball format is good the way it is. I truly believe in -

The harder you work, the luckier you get!
 
justinb386 said:
I was just thinking about some of the lucky rolls that Ko got (against Shane) in the finals of the world 9 ball championships, and I wonder if things may have turned out differently if the world 9 ball championships were played in a "call shot, call safe" format.

I think that is a really good format, and I think more tournaments should be run in the "call shot, call safe" format, because it forces a no luck policy in games, and relies on complete skill of the player (without the possibility of any luck saving them from losing a game).

What do you think?
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Moving to call shot may be interesting at the amateur levels, but I don't think to really would make any significant difference to the pros - the don't flail wildly at the 9 and hope.

Call shot call safe changes the game significantly. There are no more two way shots. I'm not saying that is the most important factor, but it is not like making it call shot call safe only reduces the luck factor without taking away other parts of the game.

Incidentally, snooker is also not a call shot game, and two way shots are a big part of that game too.

Gideon
 
I think 9ball is pool's version of throwing dice and I say leave it alone. If you want a call shot/safe game you have it in 10ball. Take your pick.
 
cueenvy said:
I prefer to gamble this way. For the same reason it should be the norm in professional pool...the best player wins more often in this format. Seems the pros don't even want to eliminate the luck, though when they lose with it they often complain.

In amateur pool slop has been the norm so long. It might turn off players who don't have the skill to appreciate called shot called safe.
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Yeah, it would probably hurt the popularity of pool even more. It should at least be used on the pro level though (in my opinion).
 
Call shot call safe is the very worst form of the game. I make a point of attending as few of the call shot call safe format events as possible.

Take away the two way shot and you dumb down the game.
 
garczar said:
I think 9ball is pool's version of throwing dice and I say leave it alone. If you want a call shot/safe game you have it in 10ball. Take your pick.
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I'm not a big fan of the abomination known as Call Shot/Call Safe 10-ball either. Ruined a game I loved.
 
I think call safe makes it too long of a game. I'd rather play 10 ball(call shot) instead of modifying 9-ball.
 
garczar said:
I think 9ball is pool's version of throwing dice and I say leave it alone. If you want a call shot/safe game you have it in 10ball. Take your pick.
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^^^^ this.... however it (9b) does need 'break help' especially with 'winner break' and prolly should at least be 9b- "Last ball" ... ie if made early it spots. Piss Pool is not good for pool nor is a fair measure skill... (which should be the object of a gaming sport 'tournament play'...) otherwise just flip for it, you'll get the same relative results. Current 9B structure has done more to damage pool as a sport and the related gaming. This game needs an intervention. I sometimes go to 9b tournaments to NOT play to express my opinion about how bad this game structure is for pool. Nobody like to win or loose on piss in pool. Asked the backers... look in the mirror.

Call shot/ call safe (option to pass shot back anytime -like in AmRo) 10b is good healthy pool /// imo
Randy
 
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I'm not sure how a game is ruined when the luck factor is removed. 9 ball slop and luck is something I quit watching and playing years ago. 10 ball call shot call safety is a real game and some of the best pool I've ever watched online. To each their own.
 
sjm said:
Call shot call safe is the very worst form of the game. I make a point of attending as few of the call shot call safe format events as possible.

Take away the two way shot and you dumb down the game.
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Have you ever taken note?....The better and more knowledgeable the player, the more likely they are to be in favor of calling nothing and....the more novice and weaker the player, the more they want to call everything?

On a related note: Can you just imagine calling balls in One-Pocket?...what may may be the most skilled pool game of them all? ....and Larry Hubbart was only one ball away from being 100% RIGHT!
 
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The so called two-way shot is the worst thing that's happened to pool since the texas express rules were adapted.
 
sjm said:
Call shot call safe is the very worst form of the game. I make a point of attending as few of the call shot call safe format events as possible.

Take away the two way shot and you dumb down the game.
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Call shot, Call safe should not be that big of a deal to the pro level players out there, because they will very rarely get lucky anyways, but when they do (like when they were not trying to play safe), then I think it is the right thing to do, to allow the opponent the opportunity to give that shot back if they are unhappy with the shot they were left with. I do not think it would slow down pro pool tournaments either (maybe just by a little, but not much). I assume that it is a very rare format in tournaments anyways.
 
Call shot ok, call safe not ok. The creativity of two way shots should never be eliminated.
 
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