Update: California Ivory Ban (July 1, 2016)

Bavafongoul

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Earlier this afternoon I received official word that as of July 1, 2016, if you reside in California,
even if you have prepaid for a pool cue containing any type of ivory, the cue has to reach you
before July 1st. If the cue is delivered after that date, you will be in violation of the ivory ban and
both the cue-maker (even non-resident CA cue-makers) and the pool cue owner are subject to
prosecution under the California law......AB96.



Kinda sucks since I had to pass up on a dream coming true because of this dumb law.
Anyway, that's straight from CA Dept of Fish & Wildlife per Assemblyman Jim Patterson.
I inquired with his office for a legal interpretation of what de facto means & was told that
even if a cue was paid for in full, it has to reach the buyer in CA before July 1st.


Below is the email I received last week and Brianna just called me earlier today to let me know CA Fish & Wildlife
notified her office that June 30th is the drop dead date for any purchases or sales of anything with any ivory
anywhere within the geographical boundaries of California. If you have any cues coming to you from a CA cue-maker
containing ivory, you had better get in touch fast as the ban is only a few months away.

Matt B.




Hello Matthew,

I spoke to our policy consultant who analyzed the bill and responded with the following:


My understanding is that it would likely be illegal, and the legality of the pool cue would be based on the Department of Fish and Wildlife’s interpretation of the statute.

The exemptions to the law are only under the following conditions:
(1)An employee or agent of the federal or state government undertaking a law enforcement activity pursuant to federal or state law, or a mandatory duty required by federal law.
(2) An activity that is authorized by an exemption or permit under federal law or that is otherwise expressly authorized under federal law.
(3) Ivory or rhinoceros horn that is part of a musical instrument, including, but not limited to, a string or wind instrument or piano, and that is less than 20 percent by volume of the instrument, if the owner or seller provides historical documentation demonstrating provenance and showing the item was manufactured no later than 1975.
(4) Ivory or rhinoceros horn that is part of a bona fide antique and that is less than five percent by volume of the antique, if the antique status is established by the owner or seller of the antique with historical documentation demonstrating provenance and showing the antique to be not less than 100 years old.
(5) The purchase, sale, offer for sale, possession with intent to sell, or importation with intent to sell ivory or rhinoceros horn for educational or scientific purposes by a bona fide educational or scientific institution.

He would need to check with the Department for 100% certainty, but I’m fairly certain he would be in violation of the law. I won’t provide any “legal” advice on if the constituent paid for it now (prior to July 1st) would that be a qualified exemption. The bottom line for the constituent is for a first conviction where the total value of the ivory or rhinoceros horn is more than two hundred fifty dollars ($250), the offense would be a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of not less than five thousand dollars ($5,000), or more than forty thousand dollars ($40,000), imprisonment in the county jail for not more than one year, or by both the fine and imprisonment.

My recommendation on the bill was an Oppose, but (if it were me) I wouldn’t tempt fate.

It seems going through with the transaction would be risky. That being said, I have also reached out to the Department of Fish and Wildlife, and I will let you know what they respond.

Thank you,

Brianna Padilla
Office of Assemblyman Patterson
6245 N. Fresno Street, Suite 106
Fresno, CA 93710
(559) 446-2029
 
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Okay, so assuming a custom cue with ivory is coming your way, can't the ferrule be shipped to you now and attached later?
 
Okay, so assuming a custom cue with ivory is coming your way, can't the ferrule be shipped to you now and attached later?

Interesting idea, though that might be a little trickier with ivory inlays :grin-square:
 
Ship the ferrule now before June 30th and have the cue shipped without any ferrules,
Find a local cue-maker to install the ferrules you provide and pay labor & misc. parts only (glue etc.)

This means your custom would not be completed by the cue-maker but it could ship after July 1st.
Meanwhile, if you have a cue underway with a cue-maker in CA, you had better get in touch with him.

If you have a cue underway with "any ivory" and you live in CA, do not ship it after July 1st. I realize the
question is how would anyone know? Look, I am just reciting the law and penalties but each of us can
roll the dice as we may choose to do.......by the way, the cue also gets confiscated so you are out the cue,
the original payment, and the penalties and fines. And trust me when I write that CA will be enforcing this ban
ardently. How they could ever find out is not my concern.....I will abide by the law....reluctantly.

Matt B.
 
Interesting idea, though that might be a little trickier with ivory inlays :grin-square:

Ha! I see your point.

However, maybe, maybe not.

What's to stop him from taking delivery of all of the components, then having the cue assembled later (by the custom cue maker)?
 
If the cue is delivered after that date, you will be in violation of the ivory ban and
both the cue-maker (even non-resident CA cue-makers) and the pool cue owner are subject to
prosecution under the California law......AB96.


Yup...sounds like the California government dictators.
 
As long as the cue-maker is not in CA........you cannot pre-pay for something and get it later on if it has ivory......I was going to prepay in full for a very special custom cue to get made......the cue-maker lives outside of California.....it didn't matter since the cue was going to arrive after July 1st which of course it would..... If your cue is challenged, the only way to confirm that the ivory in a pool cue is indeed pre-ban legal ivory destroy is the pool cue from taking core samples of the various ivory components for laboratory testing......and there is zero liability for destroying your cue because the burden of proof is always on the cue owner to prove the ivory in their cue was pre-ban legal ivory.......mess with the CA regulatory agencies and you'll likely get your cue back in pieces from ivory testing.
 
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I'm just impressed you got such a helpful and thorough response from a government office.
 
As long as the cue-maker is not in CA........you cannot pre-pay for something and get it later on if it has ivory......I was going to prepay in full for a very special custom cue to get made......the cue-maker lives outside of California.....it didn't matter since the cue was going to arrive after July 1st which of course it would..... If your cue is challenged, the only way to confirm that the ivory in a pool cue is indeed pre-ban legal ivory destroy is the pool cue from taking core samples of the various ivory components for laboratory testing......and there is zero liability for destroying your cue because the burden of proof is always on the cue owner to prove the ivory in their cue was pre-ban legal ivory.......mess with the CA regulatory agencies and you'll likely get your cue back in pieces from ivory testing.

Wow. That sucks.

You should move here to Alabama where the laws on tusks-ah-loosa. :groucho:
 
And in the meantime, I just got word that CT is trying to make it a felony to possess ivory.....lol. (Where can I get some of that shit these people are smoking?)
 
This must be the biggest pity-party since it became illegal for a man to beat his wife.

If phenolic grew out of an elephant's face and ivory was man-made, would you still lust over ivory?

My dream-come-true is to have a cue made with ferrules made from bone harvested from my own jaw: I'd gladly sacrifice the bottom half of my face for the utter prestige and " perfect hit."
 
Why not just get phenolic and tell yourself it's ivory? If you put some good size cracks in the joint and ferrules, it may even play the same.
 
biggest problem is you live in a communist state . lol MOVE FAST and im talking about Cali
 
There are some serious cue makers on the left coast.

Forgetting for a moment about the impact on high end customs, I find it interesting that in California you will no longer be able to buy any cue from anywhere with ivory ferrules.

What about bringing in to the state a cue that was purchased elsewhere.
 
the ivory ban is a really really big problem in the pool community/industry. this is really sad.
 
That's exactly why I have been adding cues just to beat the deadline........hopefully one arrives in April and the other in late May or definitely by June.
 
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