3-Cushion Ideas & Opinions at the SBE

3kushn

3kushn

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Guys we want your opinions on how to improve our mini event at the SBE.

Our goal of course is to grow the game in this country. The feeling is if we bring some tables to a major pool event we can generate some interest by getting pool players on the tables, and possibly this could create some pressure on room owners to put a table in their room. Its not about selling tables and nobody witnessed any effort at all to sell those tables. But, what comes first? Tables or Players? Chickens or Eggs. We need both to grow.

Another goal is to lower the average age of those you see on a table :wink: This is why we always reserve a piece of our limited time focusing on the 17 and under crowd.

There were 2 sessions dedicated to the kids 17 and under. Tom Rossman hosted the show which consisted of a lag contest and clinic with National Champions, Mazin Shooni and Hugo Patino. Each entry received an IBS glove and raffle tickets were handed out based on points earned during the competition. A ticket was drawn for a Hanbat carom cue. The cue and gloves were donated by Kyong Ra (Yura) and entry into the competition was free.

This year we held an invitational team competition consisting of long time supporters of the game. All well known to most that play the game.

Lastly we again held a single elimination, race to 5 tournament each evening with $1,000 going to the winner.

There's 3 basic questions I'd like your answers to help develop the program for next year.

What are we doing right and should continue to do it?
What are we doing wrong and need to make a change?
What are we not doing that you'd like to see it happen?

Thank you in advance for your opinions.
 
Any videos from the event? This year's event is now over. If you have videos of the matches, maybe post them on youtube to generate interest for next year's event.
 
I watched a bunch of 3 cushion at the Expo and I though it was great. A much better location than last year. I enjoyed it very much.
 
Thank you for the comments but certainly we haven't nailed it and there's no room for improvement.

I'm not aware of any videos. I'll post some photos once I take a look of what I have.
 
My opinion of the three cushion event. Great job. Wish there were more spectators.

Once again I cornered both Paul and Tom. I love 3C but I don't follow it. I've been suggesting for years that the players should be required to put their last name on the back of their vests. Furthermore, vests should be required. It's a classy game and shorts and tee shirts don't project the image. I knew four or five of the players. Frank Torres used to play out of the LV Cue Club. I'd bet 99% of the spectators could not name four of the players present. Sad situation in my view.

Lyn
 
Tom...Great to see you again! I think you all did a fantastic job all the way around. I hope you continue it just the way you did it this year! I loved watching. Next time I might even jump in there and play! Keep up the good work! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

3kushn said:
Guys we want your opinions on how to improve our mini event at the SBE.

Our goal of course is to grow the game in this country. The feeling is if we bring some tables to a major pool event we can generate some interest by getting pool players on the tables, and possibly this could create some pressure on room owners to put a table in their room. Its not about selling tables and nobody witnessed any effort at all to sell those tables. But, what comes first? Tables or Players? Chickens or Eggs. We need both to grow.

Another goal is to lower the average age of those you see on a table :wink: This is why we always reserve a piece of our limited time focusing on the 17 and under crowd.

There were 2 sessions dedicated to the kids 17 and under. Tom Rossman hosted the show which consisted of a lag contest and clinic with National Champions, Mazin Shooni and Hugo Patino. Each entry received an IBS glove and raffle tickets were handed out based on points earned during the competition. A ticket was drawn for a Hanbat carom cue. The cue and gloves were donated by Kyong Ra (Yura) and entry into the competition was free.

This year we held an invitational team competition consisting of long time supporters of the game. All well known to most that play the game.

Lastly we again held a single elimination, race to 5 tournament each evening with $1,000 going to the winner.

There's 3 basic questions I'd like your answers to help develop the program for next year.

What are we doing right and should continue to do it?
What are we doing wrong and need to make a change?
What are we not doing that you'd like to see it happen?

Thank you in advance for your opinions.
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I didn't expect to be playing the pros. No warm - up. 20 min time clock too short. I respected the game and showed up in " uniform " all three nights, and took a bit of crap about it. Not from the pros, but from beer league types.I also thought the break and run 5 bonus was every time. All in all fun.
 
Regarding the names and dress code. That was discussed and actually a decision was never made. I wasn't thinking clearly on day 1 and was unprepared to get out of my work cloths prior to tournament time. My apologies. Other than that error I think all the Tournament Players showed respect in the attire category. Of course we could go further, but do we want to hold a tournament next year?

The time limit on the "Race to 5" came about after the 1st day of the first year we held this event. Yura and I didn't get back to our room till after 2AM and had to be back by 8. Its a shame when a game doesn't finish. It's a manpower problem, which could be solved by adding tables but then becomes a money problem.

What I'm looking for is new ideas. We only have so many days. So do we cut out the formal tournament creating time for open play or more time with the kids. 17 and under Race to 1. Do we hold a USBA Sanctioned Tournament? Showcase other disciplines. Caroms, Balkline, 5 Pins, 4 Ball .....
 
billiard dave 7 said:
I didn't expect to be playing the pros. No warm - up. 20 min time clock too short. I respected the game and showed up in " uniform " all three nights, and took a bit of crap about it. Not from the pros, but from beer league types.I also thought the break and run 5 bonus was every time. All in all fun.
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Good for you, just smile at the beer leaguers and Forget them bunch of losers
 
3kushn said:
Guys we want your opinions on how to improve our mini event at the SBE.

Our goal of course is to grow the game in this country. The feeling is if we bring some tables to a major pool event we can generate some interest by getting pool players on the tables, and possibly this could create some pressure on room owners to put a table in their room. Its not about selling tables and nobody witnessed any effort at all to sell those tables. But, what comes first? Tables or Players? Chickens or Eggs. We need both to grow.

Another goal is to lower the average age of those you see on a table :wink: This is why we always reserve a piece of our limited time focusing on the 17 and under crowd.

There were 2 sessions dedicated to the kids 17 and under. Tom Rossman hosted the show which consisted of a lag contest and clinic with National Champions, Mazin Shooni and Hugo Patino. Each entry received an IBS glove and raffle tickets were handed out based on points earned during the competition. A ticket was drawn for a Hanbat carom cue. The cue and gloves were donated by Kyong Ra (Yura) and entry into the competition was free.

This year we held an invitational team competition consisting of long time supporters of the game. All well known to most that play the game.

Lastly we again held a single elimination, race to 5 tournament each evening with $1,000 going to the winner.

There's 3 basic questions I'd like your answers to help develop the program for next year.

What are we doing right and should continue to do it?
What are we doing wrong and need to make a change?
What are we not doing that you'd like to see it happen?

Thank you in advance for your opinions.
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My answer to all 3, keep doing what your doing

I don't think that kids who are not brought up playing all games will take to 3c so fast, if at all
It's pretty complicated to a child,to many adults at that
Very few tables even fewer people to teach them properly
Will take a few generations of raising kids on these games for it to take hold

One question are you showing the children 3c or straight rail?

Introducing them to a simpler version first might help the cause
 
beneath_the_sur said:
My answer to all 3, keep doing what your doing

I don't think that kids who are not brought up playing all games will take to 3c so fast, if at all
It's pretty complicated to a child,to many adults at that
Very few tables even fewer people to teach them properly
Will take a few generations of raising kids on these games for it to take hold

One question are you showing the children 3c or straight rail?

Introducing them to a simpler version first might help the cause
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There's several things we would like to do but its impossible given the time we have and the kids tournament schedule conflicts. Our goal has to be simple, short, and sweet.

This year our simple goal was to simply get the kids to experience the feel of the larger balls and the speed of the table. On the first day we sent them to the next table to actually learn some basic 3C shots with coaching from 2 National Champions. This really was a big deal and the kids had a lot of fun. Tom Rossman is a real showmen and loves working with this age group.

None of us working this event expect to see much growth in the game in our lifetimes. The only way that we see to keep life in the game is to focus on the young. We augment the effort with something for the adults with the Race to 5, hoping the adults will go back home and pressure their rooms to put in a table. Many of the adults only get to play at this event. Hopefully they'll get tired of that and apply pressure to their room owners. We may fail at this but will go down trying.

Below is a group shot of the group that learned the lag and later coached on a couple shots for 10 minutes. On day 2 we had 28 kids sign up for the Lag Tournament. I believe they all had a great time and won't soon forget. Its not the best situation but with the time we have or devoted its all we could do. We may want to devote more time to this and take away somewhere else.

Maybe some day there will be a permanent location for where kids can spend a few weeks or the summer learning the proper way, starting with caroms and a well healed expert(s).

You just gave me an idea that I'll be floating to the organizers.

thanks

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3kushn said:
There's several things we would like to do but its impossible given the time we have and the kids tournament schedule conflicts. Our goal has to be simple, short, and sweet.

This year our simple goal was to simply get the kids to experience the feel of the larger balls and the speed of the table. On the first day we sent them to the next table to actually learn some basic 3C shots with coaching from 2 National Champions. This really was a big deal and the kids had a lot of fun. Tom Rossman is a real showmen and loves working with this age group.

None of us working this event expect to see much growth in the game in our lifetimes. The only way that we see to keep life in the game is to focus on the young. We augment the effort with something for the adults with the Race to 5, hoping the adults will go back home and pressure their rooms to put in a table. Many of the adults only get to play at this event. Hopefully they'll get tired of that and apply pressure to their room owners. We may fail at this but will go down trying.

Below is a group shot of the group that learned the lag and later coached on a couple shots for 10 minutes. On day 2 we had 28 kids sign up for the Lag Tournament. I believe they all had a great time and won't soon forget. Its not the best situation but with the time we have or devoted its all we could do. We may want to devote more time to this and take away somewhere else.

Maybe some day there will be a permanent location for where kids can spend a few weeks or the summer learning the proper way, starting with caroms and a well healed expert(s).

You just gave me an idea that I'll be floating to the organizers.

thanks

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There is also no reason that you have to put the kids on big 10 foot tables. In Europe players aren't even ALLOWED onto the big table until they have reached a certain level of proficiency. I'm not saying that we should do any such thing, but I think the lesson is that it will not damage the development of future 3C players to start them on a smaller table.

Availability may be a problem here in the US The only places I have seen smaller billiard tables here in the US is Korean billiard halls, where they are predominantly used for the 4 ball game. But if you could find a couple of smaller tables and set up a kids area with them it might serve your purposes.

I've never been to SBE but it is on my bucket list and now that I've retired it is in the big list of future travel plans. So I look forward to playing 3C there, someday. Try not to laugh, when I do.
 
gabriels makes smaller tables, ive seen youth freegame matches on kozoom with them

never seen a smaller one here, dont know if they stock them

paul frankel would be the one to ask about it, professor qball
 
beneath_the_sur said:
gabriels makes smaller tables, ive seen youth freegame matches on kozoom with them

never seen a smaller one here, dont know if they stock them

paul frankel would be the one to ask about it, professor qball
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If they decided to go this route it would probably be easier and cheaper to get a Korean brand for small tables, since they make a lot of them and they are here in the US. I don't think you need a "Cadillac" quality table to introduce kids to billiards. I would even go with unheated tables and Royal Pro cloth, if that is what it would take to make it economical. And inexpensive balls.
 
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