What Type of Cueist Are You & Why Do You Think Your Way is Best?

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Flailing was the first word I thought of.

I don't know if you are being serious or sarcastic.

Would you care to clarify?

Best Wishes for You & Yours,

 

[greyghost]

if your not building somthing.......your tearing it down...nothing is ever finished..

If you are ever in Houston I'd love to book a lesson or two!

Whats been said in the above is the EXACT mentality an instructor should take with their students. Too much knowledge is dangerous, especially in a game that is so mental. I suffer from a problem of thinking my elbow is crooked or that there is something wrong with my stroke when there isn't. This is because an instructor tried to change my elbow position and a couple other things. In the scheme of things my elbow used to be outwards, then inwards, and now its pretty straight.

since I'm living back in louisiana again (lafayette) i am in and around houston at least here and there. My long time friend and fellow forum member Marucs lives there (forcefollow on here, was on youtube...now cuestudent on youtube) thats who will be doing all my editing and such for the crappy videos i put up lol.....but just like my sentence structure and perfect punctuation....its garbage and i'm no Francis Coppola but the info is there lol.....i just put down the info on paper or hardcopy film....so the idea is there for later....

that and i can just open my mouth when filming me just playing like gogogadget "autocommentate" and i can hear my connotation as well as just writing it and such.......did the whole "technical writing" for description for later applicaiton for long time and its time consuming, word consuming and PIA....when i can say a couplethings, do something and i'm done in 5 min.......

i will be in houston in a couple weeks give or take. maye end of next week possibly.

I have to go to Tulsa, Stillwater and OKC. Houston, Ft. Hood (drop off cue i made 10 years ago that im restoring and "jazzing" up for a old friend and customer) then to El Paso to spend some time with David Sapolis, learn a bunch, have lots of fun and hopefully hear some new "TK's so short....jokes"

Very interested in differing mental applications and such, especially since I got that school pool program up in natchitoches.....because of the discipline the game can possibly provide and help grow in a young person, just like any and many other pastimes.

Distance running, growing a garden, and pool are all really good for your noggin imop. One gives you plenty of "dull" time for deep thought, one get you in touch with nature and good/better food, and the last is great for creativity.....

so dont go killing your creativity by sticking to some tired as all get down league bar box 9 ball.........

imop pocket billiards isn't even truly about pocketing balls......thats a side effect of being all feung shui with your funiture and moving everything to its proper place, because thats where it should be, or you need it to be.

9 balls just fine....but new style.....it promotes safties (great)), teaches power moves and shots (because of ball separation and such) but also gears in this really strange direct unimaginative style of run out that imop is just completely at times unelegant and limited.

Rotational style players dont really care for choices in general, the less the better (meaning like the ones that first chioce always 9)

i'm not countin 15 ball because obviously.........its way more complicated...like one pocket in its ow right.....like 14.1 etc.

but just like cooking, if your scared to try new thiings to braoden your senses o flavor and smell......dont think your every going to be some excellnt broad chef. One pocet and knowing all the games builds your shot repitore that helps you pick the right thing and such.

You cant build the "Cooking shot repitoire" by eating mostly fast nd processed food. If thats all your ever used to is Mickeyd's then your going to hate lots of quality things.....like dumbass children are because they are in charge of most parents now...its funny to me lol.

So yea if you want lessons, just Pm me on here or text or call 318-332-7240

my email for pool business is keebie1984@gmail.com

my humble little youtube channel is listed @ https://www.youtube.com/user/keebie2?&ab_channel=GreyghostPool

and lessons work much better if we can communicate some, talk about things, get affiliated with your strengths and weaknesses......hopefully watch ya shoot a little prior and your thoughts and opinions and questions on particular things......so i can structure the lessons properly for somehting either broader in a scope or some broken down niche' area.

I am not "certified" as PBIA just yet but actually waiting on a phone call from Scott as to see when he will be back around to go ahead and get that paper.....not that it makes me feel qualified any more than I feel i am, but some just like knowing some one is "certified".....

i'm certified to "operate" a production oil platform because of my T2 card......and i'm a master...scratch that Grandmaster skill level Pneumatic Technician for safety system controls and am a sr. level Instrument Tech (instrumentation is pneumatics, electric, PLC, scada.

i'm always honest about these things, as for some they deem the cert to be the final judge if your going to know all the necessary info much less be able to communicate it properly to varying students so a comprehension occurs......I'm not this type of person at all. Some people try to troll the SPF/PBIA guys with how some teach, but all I can say is that not all those instructors are equal, nor do they all know equal sets of knowledge.....

Like I will be going see David Sapolis in person in a matter of weeks hopefully, I have a road trip to Tulsa, Stillwater,OKC, Houston, FT. Hood then El Paso......Davids not a papered instructor,im sure trolls have come on here though and say hes not a coach and for sure they got laughed at lol.

Not that I'm going to David to work on some stroke BS......mental and straight pool game theory.......thats why ill be there.

You have all around specialists (Randy/Scott), niche specialists (like one hole lessons with say Artie B. or say some private racking lessons with Joe Tucker) Mental stuff is David.......if a player wants to learn to bite others for money and not pay back then go get lessons from Buddy Hall. Charlie Bryant is a open break power generation specialist.....David Matlock for high end one hole theory combined with banks and 3 cushion strategies........i could go on for days on that list as to the strengths and highlights of lots of guys.....Lee Brett, strong snooker mechanics application for pool......Fran though weve never met (ALAS BUT ONE DAY!!) seems to be more of the esoteric think labbing type dare i say some possible similarities to how I sit back and process and think about something to maybe make someone understand concepts better.

Like this thread.....English saying about me having a mind change? Nope that again.....is a negative. What has happened is that his orignal questioning of my techniques of stroke and such....if i pull or push etc......i never thought of it like that and barely had any explaination though i tried to commentate on his specific question.

I did say for me its not a pushing motion (may have said possibly on break?) and it doesn't feel like pulling to me either.....i mean possibly I'm a steel bending wiry little chit and when you say pull......guys and gals, i've pulled wire the size of your head through racks for hundreds of yards......the dam thing is heavy and resistant to movment......someone pulling your hair maybe, you pull a rope in tug of war......you pull when lifting a dumbell for a curl.

There is RESISTANCE in my mind linkedto the word PULL

There aint no dam resistance in a pool stroke i don care what type, it can be one stroke players a joke stroke and there still aint no resistance. No ones the tin man and has some rusty elbow full of iron oxide thats binded up the hinge.....no spring attached to awall and then your hand....no rubber bands...

But if I were to PUSH someting, the motion extending far out is similar somewhat to say pushing a door open......a pendulum is the same motion when you "pull" the dumbell up when curling.

But just like some of the instructors talk about "follow through" i think its a garbage word that at best puts garbage connotations and ideas in ones mind that can have the subconscious acting the dam fool.

Or like the "grip" hand.......hey if your going to be teaching an elbow drop and pistion style.....PLEASE be my guest and use the word GRIP all you want for the back hand.

If your teaching a pendulum style stroke, no matter your name on your card....I think these coaches should remove "grip" from their lessons when teaching that and replace it with CRADLE........

Because both of them have wildly diff connotations and create very diff imagery in the mind......trust me its important especially when teaching a very simple minded person, such as children.

but if you want a world class meal including cooking lessons, a classy solid playing cue, and lessons all from the same person....

There can be only one highlander lol

I'm not bragging. Not in the least. I'd melt the dam server if i went off on that tangent lol. I've just been a lifelong student of many things and have a passion to DO and learn, just about anything.

I told my mother yesterday...."ma, thanks a bunch for the library card and even making me do book reports in summer"

she smiled and nodded in approval and knew it was one of the finet compliments i've ever given her as a parent, not much diff than she told me once "you came a long ways from legos son, a long long ways"

I'm really bothered when i hear people proclaim "I dont know" especially with all the info right there at the palm of their hand......dam at least "smart phone" it as I callit and ask jeeves, google...something.

Some people love not knowing stuff....i guess maybe the world needs em.

For me though.....not knowing something bothers me and if i didnt know any better it "hurts" lol.

WHich brings me to my last comment on learning, teaching anything and life in general.

"If your going to be wrong, you better be tough kid"

and rick.....we need to get together in the crescent city soon.

build something,
-Grey McCloud

 

[Drop The Rock]

Public Service Announcement.

I will be ignoring the distortions being put out by a certain individual.

Based on that Facebook post made by a two lesson student that said he learned more useful info in just those two lessons than he had in all of 20 plus years of taking lessons from others...

I would suggest that perhaps taking two lessons from CJ Wiley might be better than taking lessons for 20 plus years from others.

Best Wishes for ALL.

There is a logical fallacy here. Is it possible that said student simply could not grasp what other instructors were trying to teach whether by their teaching styles or his learning style?

Its also possible that this student will change his mind in a few months because he has never committed to the teachings he has been given and is just looking for a cure.

I took lessons from Hillbilly for a while. He has more study material, systems for kicking, aiming, banking, speed, draw shots, shape, etc than most instructors have even bothered reading. He has a very well rounded game and if he had playing full time over the last few years, you'd see his name more. I learned a couple of systems from him, developed a PSR and stance that allowed me to develop a pretty good stroke. As much as he taught systems, he still believed in feel, it's when you are under pressure and your brain is going a thousand miles an hour that those systems help. Do I still use some of things he has taught me? Yes. Have other students of his absorbed more knowledge from him, absolutely.

I have also taken (informal) lessons from Manny Chau. He and Alex C. have both given me a lot of insight into the "pro" mindset if you will. Are there things they could teach me that Charlie Bryant couldn't, yes but for no other reason that that I learn from auditory information followed by kinesthetic learning with visual learning dead last. I can't use diagrams or watch someone do something and learn it unless I watch for hundreds of hours. However, if I'm told what to do and then allowed to attempt it, bobs your uncle.

 

[LIAKOS27]

The op had an interesting question. And then a bunch of "retards" chimed in!

Why do the moderators allow this, I will never know! Oh yeah, I forgot, it's a favoritism thing here on AZ! Must be why so many people are joining this site and getting away from places like Facebook!

Anyhow, to the OP, I can only describe my stroke as a constant acceleration through the cue ball. I figured my speed is about 80% when I hit the ball and reaching 100% after the cue ball has left the tip!

I'm not gonna say my way is the best way, but it sure helps me move the ball around fairly easy around the table!

Eli

 

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If you can't play, you shouldn't teach, IMO. I think you may have just cut out a bunch of instructors. Have you never heard the adage, those that can play do & those that can't teach? The instructor should be able to DEMONSTRATE why he feels his way is the best. Changing your stroke is A LOT of work, trust me on that. My stroke changed when I went to using TOI all on it's own. It went to what was required for the effect. I now have two completely different strokes that I can employ at will. So if some random guy claims to be able to teach Earls stroke, then he should be able to show that stroke to you. Why would you want some guy to teach you a stroke he himself doesn't use or believe in, anyway? Where did I say anything like that?

I wanted to learn the snooker stroke, so I sought out a snooker instructor. I didn't ask some random, good pool player to show me. That would be silly. Again, where did I say anything like that?

I don't agree with the "fewest moving parts" paradigm. Neither do I as it is completely faulty. I especially do not agree with completely freezing the elbow on all shots, or killing wrist movement. Neither do I.That is why I would never seek out an instructor teaching that method. Neither would I. That does not mean I think those guys are out trying to scam the people they teach. I never said that they were. They teach their students the best way they know how. That might be a problem for some students & why I have gotten a considerable number of PMs saying what a waste of time & money 'lessons' were. Hence, more info up front to avoid that bad fit & buyers remorse.

If you feel your way of playing is superior to theirs, you should be prepared to be challenged to demonstrate why you think that is. Make a video, or some sort of instructional material and release it into the pool world and see how it stacks up. If you can't teach it, then how is it any better than being taught by the other guys? At least they can document some results. Take the BU test, play against the ghost, anything is better than nothing. As it is, all you do is shoot things down. That doesn't take any work at all... What if a were a paraplegic? This is a discussion forum. I have in the past stated my take. This thread was a food for thought thread & to make the point that there is more than one way & I am not the one that took it onto this off shoot.

No offense as we see many things alike, but you seem to be starting to do similarly to what another does with inaccurate paraphrasing, etc.

I never said one should seek out a random good pool player to pay for instruction & NEVER said that anyone was "scamming" anyone.

Have you never heard the adage that those that can play do & those that can't teach? Playing extremely well should never be a requirement to be an instructor but I agree that having one that can do is better than one that can not, all else being equal.

I'll just stop there as this was NOT the intentions of me opening this thread.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick

 

[billiardthought]

I am using a swoop stroke, so that must mean I am swinging my cue like a bat.

 

[philly]

It's troll time in the neighborhood. This will be another deleted thread given time. English the victim. If someone said night, his knee jerk reaction would be to immediately say day and take offense to your saying night. Amazing.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

i hit the white one with the stick

 

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There is a logical fallacy here. Is it possible that said student simply could not grasp what other instructors were trying to teach whether by their teaching styles or his learning style?

Its also possible that this student will change his mind in a few months because he has never committed to the teachings he has been given and is just looking for a cure.

I took lessons from Hillbilly for a while. He has more study material, systems for kicking, aiming, banking, speed, draw shots, shape, etc than most instructors have even bothered reading. He has a very well rounded game and if he had playing full time over the last few years, you'd see his name more. I learned a couple of systems from him, developed a PSR and stance that allowed me to develop a pretty good stroke. As much as he taught systems, he still believed in feel, it's when you are under pressure and your brain is going a thousand miles an hour that those systems help. Do I still use some of things he has taught me? Yes. Have other students of his absorbed more knowledge from him, absolutely.

I have also taken (informal) lessons from Manny Chau. He and Alex C. have both given me a lot of insight into the "pro" mindset if you will. Are there things they could teach me that Charlie Bryant couldn't, yes but for no other reason that that I learn from auditory information followed by kinesthetic learning with visual learning dead last. I can't use diagrams or watch someone do something and learn it unless I watch for hundreds of hours. However, if I'm told what to do and then allowed to attempt it, bobs your uncle.

I appreciate what you're saying here, but that does not change the fact that the man learned more useful things in TWO(2) lessons than he did in 20 plus years.

I am NOT the one that brought that up here nor was I the one that tried to twist & distort it.

The point of this thread was food for thought about the FACT that there is more than one way & many use different methods.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.

 

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The op had an interesting question. And then a bunch of "retards" chimed in!

Why do the moderators allow this, I will never know! Oh yeah, I forgot, it's a favoritism thing here on AZ! Must be why so many people are joining this site and getting away from places like Facebook!

Anyhow, to the OP, I can only describe my stroke as a constant acceleration through the cue ball. I figured my speed is about 80% when I hit the ball and reaching 100% after the cue ball has left the tip!

I'm not gonna say my way is the best way, but it sure helps me move the ball around fairly easy around the table!

Eli

Thanks Eli...

for more than just trying to answer the cueing question.

Someone may come on & tell you that your percentages are inaccurate but they're not in your mind & that is where it matters.

All Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick

 

[greyghost]

If you can't play, you shouldn't teach, IMO. The instructor should be able to DEMONSTRATE why he feels his way is the best. Changing your stroke is A LOT of work, trust me on that. So if some random guy claims to be able to teach Earls stroke, then he should be able to show that stroke to you. Why would you want some guy to teach you a stroke he himself doesn't use or believe in, anyway?

I wanted to learn the snooker stroke, so I sought out a snooker instructor. I didn't ask some random, good pool player to show me. That would be silly.

I don't agree with the "fewest moving parts" paradigm. I especially do not agree with completely freezing the elbow on all shots, or killing wrist movement. That is why I would never seek out an instructor teaching that method. That does not mean I think those guys are out trying to scam the people they teach. They teach their students the best way they know how.

If you feel your way of playing is superior to theirs, you should be prepared to be challenged to demonstrate why you think that is. Make a video, or some sort of instructional material and release it into the pool world and see how it stacks up. If you can't teach it, then how is it any better than being taught by the other guys? At least they can document some results. Take the BU test, play against the ghost, anything is better than nothing. As it is, all you do is shoot things down. That doesn't take any work at all...

though i agree....leave it up to me to point out grey area lol

its very very rare......but i've know two guys....one in particular. Could not make a ball to save his dam life. BUT had been around top players for at least 40 years, lived like right BH the hall and would blow your dam mind with information, knowledge and helpful advice.

I was warned too prior before he came to me as he was known to just pop in and give working plyers and up and comers golden nuggest when he figuredthey were worthy lol......they said dont worry about thinking this guys kinda nuts, he is a little I'm sure......you can tell him a page in the bible and he can start reciting.......but whatever he says just give him a change to explain and really think about it.......

and I'll be damed......real stuff lol......i did try to get him to do one easy shot...he quickly said look kid, this aint for me....and i'm not here trying to do things i know i cant do already....but if you want i can show you all the doors........he pulled out his keysand jiggled them....

i'll never forget that, and yep i got keys to many locked doors that day, doors that helped open others.....

but yes in general if they cant play a fricking lick they probably cant teach.....at the same time, many pros couldn't teach a pig to wallow in the mud, as most only know feel/rote and their own way as well developed predominately from trial ad error and million ball method, forced focus in gambling and such......

WHY? Because the most important quality a coach/instructor/teacher can have for a student besides haveing the info to share......isbeing a good enough communicator to realy the material in a understandable manner for said student/s.

I bet money if you put Randy G and Scott Lee in a room (two excellent communicators) with some hidden pigmy tribe memebers from S.A. and they try and teach them pool in english.......not jack chit will be learned basically by said pigmys.

As such some great communicators do and have fallen on DEAF eared students who have no want to ever practice everything.....insead of calling an instructor for lessons, they should just call the dope man and get whatever pill they thought they were purchasing with an instructor.

A student also shouldn't just be a down right fool going to antyhing any random ***** says either.....like some egg head listening to some crotchty fat old man who can run 3 balls on the BB while drunk as piss and is the "town champ" lol

Get lessons from generally accepted individuals acknowleged by some of your peers and such, and when around pros you talk to them about MENTAL THINGS....this tey can convey in amazing fashion mostly without doubt.

Because at the end of the day, they pro became a pro not becuse of his stroke, but his mental aptitude and mentality especially that when is under direct fire and pressure.

Its like everything matters, but only to a degree......people can become pros "doing everything wrong" EXCEPT FOR THE MENTAL PART.

What I don't like about how you put many things English.....is your very ONE or THE OTHER.....you rarely mention and grey areas or common grounds.....

the more I read some of "some" of your posts (not all some of it is great ya know) they do seem very subversive, directly fashioned to shine light on one thing, but leaves another relation in the dark.....like a skeaky mean little kid can be at times, being slick......saying something thats shading its underhanded move.

So people can come bust your balls....then you can say "oh man I didn't mean it like that you just took it the wrong way" or something or other so you can crawfish out and still possibly not look like the donkey....

you do realize your on a pool forum.....with many brilliant people tat are extremely observant.....pople that have ran or been around top hustlers and con men etc......and you really think that mass vomiting all your posts for a few years will possibly make you a respected memeber amoung our fellow peers on here, dare I say like I have in the past decade, or another who is in his own way my anthesis for his NO-ness....Patrick Johnson (my no guy, love ya my man!)

You privately ask me stuff. I try and answer to best of my ability, because i dont use words like you do man.....for me....the dam CB isn't even there....so asking me to comment on HOW YOU OR SOMEOTHER DINK THINKS? then coming on here and "oh he's probably been talking to.......someone"

dude i talk to everyone. about everything. and I been boots to the ground and have learned an taught and played in major ways consistently for nearly 20years.....the first "lessons" i was giving was when i went to that school i recently started the pool program at. I was using locktight 454 and found it thesame time that some of our illustrious cuemakers did for tip work....when i was 12 PAL i could do a dam tip with a razor blade, the glue a file and a frigging iron and you swear they came off the lathe.....i did hundreds of them for people like that untill i moved to oklahoma in 04 and started apprenticing in a custom shop.

I wont even begin to tell you or any other person on here who ive got ties to in cue making becauase possibly you and i'm sure one particular twat on here will try and call my bluff, and i'm not getting someone trapped in a flame war beacuse some people cantnot stir the pot.

Now i dont NOT like you just yet. But your slowly testin my patience making scabs and picking at them.....dirtying up my got dam house, our house that many of us worked our asses off to build.

Your not the first one thats triedd to do what your doing. Your not the first baby that got put in the corner for it either.....there was a running joke on here some years back before i stepped away for a few years in my travels to the PNW, i was like th Sherrif on here, and like you may have read me write before "if your going to be wrong, you better be tough"

you can straigten that ass and slick attitude up and be a part of this big family while still being yourself and thinking for yourself......but you dont fool anyone, i'm sure you obviously recognize this.

Because I'll tell you one thing....that many here alreayd knew for long time, but you probably never used the search function on here and thought i was some dink rube.....

I will straight chew your ass up worse than John Schmitts goat.....and spit you out buddy....becasue i dont eat chit.....I wont take it either. Your not going to have some all around freedom to act as you please.

Not in OUR place, not when my own and others students come on here, when kids in progams come on here to learn and seek knowledge.

Keep your junk in your pants, no one cares how big yours is in relation to anyone elses.....its just flame war drama starting bullchit, thats more and more often all inclusive of particular groups and just gaffs the board up in a fog of BS.

You do know that people can civilly and CONSTRUCTIVELY disagree and even have confrontation....without either being underhanded with the "oh little ol me, i didn't mean no harm"

What is your purpose here Rick? And dont you lie and fluff and bla bla bla because we can all read and understand BS and we definitely know when politicians are evading questions by asing their own.

Its just laughable....i'm sure the majority of your what 4-5 times more posts than I have in my AZ career.......lol.....that i have more instructional based posts than you do, and yours are predominately random pot stirrers and semi dumbass loaded questions and jabs at others that makes up your standard operational protocol.

Have you been smart enough to go after Glenn the RKC yet....i bet you know oxford dictionaly sized info on table mechanics......because i'm being a blatant jerk right now, and I can be much worse, i'm also a sweetheart lol.....but he would bite your head off lol. if it hasn't already hapened...I dont follow you rick, you have said nor done anthing of true note here or someone like myself would know ya and step up and vouch

you seemed real cool at first and i thought for a while, man they sure do got it in for this fella.......you dug the hole....took a dump in it....then jumped in to swim in it.

congratulations,
-Greyghost

 

[DaveK]

Someone may come on & tell you that your percentages are inaccurate but they're not in your mind & that is where it matters.

I thought you were all about facts and objectivity That is quite different from " in your mind & that is where it matters". I hope my paraphrasing (selective quote really) is sufficient to make my point without providing a distraction.

Dave

 

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i'm always honest about these things, as for some they deem the cert to be the final judge if your going to know all the necessary info much less be able to communicate it properly to varying students so a comprehension occurs......I'm not this type of person at all. Some people try to troll the SPF/PBIA guys with how some teach, but all I can say is that not all those instructors are equal, nor do they all know equal sets of knowledge.....

Like I will be going see David Sapolis in person in a matter of weeks hopefully, I have a road trip to Tulsa, Stillwater,OKC, Houston, FT. Hood then El Paso......Davids not a papered instructor,im sure trolls have come on here though and say hes not a coach and for sure they got laughed at lol.

Not that I'm going to David to work on some stroke BS......mental and straight pool game theory.......thats why ill be there.

You have all around specialists (Randy/Scott), niche specialists (like one hole lessons with say Artie B. or say some private racking lessons with Joe Tucker) Mental stuff is David.......if a player wants to learn to bite others for money and not pay back then go get lessons from Buddy Hall. Charlie Bryant is a open break power generation specialist.....David Matlock for high end one hole theory combined with banks and 3 cushion strategies........i could go on for days on that list as to the strengths and highlights of lots of guys.....Lee Brett, strong snooker mechanics application for pool......Fran though weve never met (ALAS BUT ONE DAY!!) seems to be more of the esoteric think labbing type dare i say some possible similarities to how I sit back and process and think about something to maybe make someone understand concepts better.

Like this thread.....English saying about me having a mind change? Nope that again.....is a negative. What has happened is that his orignal questioning of my techniques of stroke and such....if i pull or push etc......i never thought of it like that and barely had any explaination though i tried to commentate on his specific question....

..."If your going to be wrong, you better be tough kid"

and rick.....we need to get together in the crescent city soon.

build something,
-Grey McCloud

Keebie,

I said it seemed that you have had a change in TONE, not mind. & I DO not recall questioning your techniques. How could I, as I am not even aware of them.

I'm a bit sorry to say that your association & affinity for another would prohibit us from ever getting together. I remember his attempt at that way back when.

I had hoped that after your long absence that perhaps matters had changed but I see that that is not the case.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick

 

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It's troll time in the neighborhood. This will be another deleted thread given time. English the victim. If someone said night, his knee jerk reaction would be to immediately say day and take offense to your saying night. Amazing.

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[Drop The Rock]

I'm surprised you didn't see it right away! As to the instructors Rick mentioned in regards to CJ's students, what Rick conveniently keeps leaving out, is that the guy said "pro instructors", most likely meaning professional players that also were doing some teaching. It easily could have been nothing more than one of the exibitions that some pros do some times and do a little teaching in them. We don't know, as it was never clarified. But, Rick has to reapeatedly use that poor, twisted, example in his attempt to run down actual instructors that he doesn't like.

Welcome back btw, Neil.

 

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though i agree....leave it up to me to point out grey area lol

its very very rare......but i've know two guys....one in particular. Could not make a ball to save his dam life. BUT had been around top players for at least 40 years, lived like right BH the hall and would blow your dam mind with information, knowledge and helpful advice.

I was warned too prior before he came to me as he was known to just pop in and give working plyers and up and comers golden nuggest when he figuredthey were worthy lol......they said dont worry about thinking this guys kinda nuts, he is a little I'm sure......you can tell him a page in the bible and he can start reciting.......but whatever he says just give him a change to explain and really think about it.......

and I'll be damed......real stuff lol......i did try to get him to do one easy shot...he quickly said look kid, this aint for me....and i'm not here trying to do things i know i cant do already....but if you want i can show you all the doors........he pulled out his keysand jiggled them....

i'll never forget that, and yep i got keys to many locked doors that day, doors that helped open others.....

but yes in general if they cant play a fricking lick they probably cant teach.....at the same time, many pros couldn't teach a pig to wallow in the mud, as most only know feel/rote and their own way as well developed predominately from trial ad error and million ball method, forced focus in gambling and such......

WHY? Because the most important quality a coach/instructor/teacher can have for a student besides haveing the info to share......isbeing a good enough communicator to realy the material in a understandable manner for said student/s.

I bet money if you put Randy G and Scott Lee in a room (two excellent communicators) with some hidden pigmy tribe memebers from S.A. and they try and teach them pool in english.......not jack chit will be learned basically by said pigmys.

As such some great communicators do and have fallen on DEAF eared students who have no want to ever practice everything.....insead of calling an instructor for lessons, they should just call the dope man and get whatever pill they thought they were purchasing with an instructor.

A student also shouldn't just be a down right fool going to antyhing any random ***** says either.....like some egg head listening to some crotchty fat old man who can run 3 balls on the BB while drunk as piss and is the "town champ" lol

Get lessons from generally accepted individuals acknowleged by some of your peers and such, and when around pros you talk to them about MENTAL THINGS....this tey can convey in amazing fashion mostly without doubt.

Because at the end of the day, they pro became a pro not becuse of his stroke, but his mental aptitude and mentality especially that when is under direct fire and pressure.

Its like everything matters, but only to a degree......people can become pros "doing everything wrong" EXCEPT FOR THE MENTAL PART.

What I don't like about how you put many things English.....is your very ONE or THE OTHER.....you rarely mention and grey areas or common grounds.....

the more I read some of "some" of your posts (not all some of it is great ya know) they do seem very subversive, directly fashioned to shine light on one thing, but leaves another relation in the dark.....like a skeaky mean little kid can be at times, being slick......saying something thats shading its underhanded move.

So people can come bust your balls....then you can say "oh man I didn't mean it like that you just took it the wrong way" or something or other so you can crawfish out and still possibly not look like the donkey....

you do realize your on a pool forum.....with many brilliant people tat are extremely observant.....pople that have ran or been around top hustlers and con men etc......and you really think that mass vomiting all your posts for a few years will possibly make you a respected memeber amoung our fellow peers on here, dare I say like I have in the past decade, or another who is in his own way my anthesis for his NO-ness....Patrick Johnson (my no guy, love ya my man!)

You privately ask me stuff. I try and answer to best of my ability, because i dont use words like you do man.....for me....the dam CB isn't even there....so asking me to comment on HOW YOU OR SOMEOTHER DINK THINKS? then coming on here and "oh he's probably been talking to.......someone"

dude i talk to everyone. about everything. and I been boots to the ground and have learned an taught and played in major ways consistently for nearly 20years.....the first "lessons" i was giving was when i went to that school i recently started the pool program at. I was using locktight 454 and found it thesame time that some of our illustrious cuemakers did for tip work....when i was 12 PAL i could do a dam tip with a razor blade, the glue a file and a frigging iron and you swear they came off the lathe.....i did hundreds of them for people like that untill i moved to oklahoma in 04 and started apprenticing in a custom shop.

I wont even begin to tell you or any other person on here who ive got ties to in cue making becauase possibly you and i'm sure one particular twat on here will try and call my bluff, and i'm not getting someone trapped in a flame war beacuse some people cantnot stir the pot.

Now i dont NOT like you just yet. But your slowly testin my patience making scabs and picking at them.....dirtying up my got dam house, our house that many of us worked our asses off to build.

Your not the first one thats triedd to do what your doing. Your not the first baby that got put in the corner for it either.....there was a running joke on here some years back before i stepped away for a few years in my travels to the PNW, i was like th Sherrif on here, and like you may have read me write before "if your going to be wrong, you better be tough"

you can straigten that ass and slick attitude up and be a part of this big family while still being yourself and thinking for yourself......but you dont fool anyone, i'm sure you obviously recognize this.

Because I'll tell you one thing....that many here alreayd knew for long time, but you probably never used the search function on here and thought i was some dink rube.....

I will straight chew your ass up worse than John Schmitts goat.....and spit you out buddy....becasue i dont eat chit.....I wont take it either. Your not going to have some all around freedom to act as you please.

Not in OUR place, not when my own and others students come on here, when kids in progams come on here to learn and seek knowledge.

Keep your junk in your pants, no one cares how big yours is in relation to anyone elses.....its just flame war drama starting bullchit, thats more and more often all inclusive of particular groups and just gaffs the board up in a fog of BS.

You do know that people can civilly and CONSTRUCTIVELY disagree and even have confrontation....without either being underhanded with the "oh little ol me, i didn't mean no harm"

What is your purpose here Rick? And dont you lie and fluff and bla bla bla because we can all read and understand BS and we definitely know when politicians are evading questions by asing their own.

Its just laughable....i'm sure the majority of your what 4-5 times more posts than I have in my AZ career.......lol.....that i have more instructional based posts than you do, and yours are predominately random pot stirrers and semi dumbass loaded questions and jabs at others that makes up your standard operational protocol.

Have you been smart enough to go after Glenn the RKC yet....i bet you know oxford dictionaly sized info on table mechanics......because i'm being a blatant jerk right now, and I can be much worse, i'm also a sweetheart lol.....but he would bite your head off lol. if it hasn't already hapened...I dont follow you rick, you have said nor done anthing of true note here or someone like myself would know ya and step up and vouch

you seemed real cool at first and i thought for a while, man they sure do got it in for this fella.......you dug the hole....took a dump in it....then jumped in to swim in it.

congratulations,
-Greyghost

Keebie,

You scared me, man. You really did.(Green text usually denotes sarcasm.)

Bullies like you driving members away or into submissive silence is one of if not the biggest issues here on AZB.

Please tell me when you bought AZB from Mike & Jerry & made it your place, your little boys club, that you & others built... for YOURSELVES.

If you can't bully me out all on your own, then ask Neil, Tony, RJ, & Scott for help.

When you get your paper you can officially join the club.

Best Wishes for You & Yours.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I thought you were all about facts and objectivity That is quite different from " in your mind & that is where it matters". I hope my paraphrasing (selective quote really) is sufficient to make my point without providing a distraction.

Dave

Dave,

You must have been locked up in your subjectivity & missed all that I have said about one's subconscious mind.

Saying something is objective when it is not does not MAKE it so...

but somethings are OF the mind.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick

 

[LIAKOS27]

Dave,

You must have been locked up in your subjectivity & missed all that I have said about one's subconscious mind.

Say something is objective when it is not does not MAKE it so...

but somethings are OF the mind.

Best Wishes for You & Yours,
Rick

Rick,(no offense to the community) you need to learn that most people have no concept of what or where the "subconscious" is! You will have a difficult time trying to conveying your thoughts on the subject.

I do applaud your endeavor though

 

[ENGLISH!]

Rick,(no offense to the community) you need to learn that most people have no concept of what or where the "subconscious" is! You will have a difficult time trying to conveying your thoughts on the subject.

I do applaud your endeavor though

Thank You Much.

No offense to the community, but there are a few, more than I would have thought, well not really I guess, that have more deep rooted issues than not knowing where the subconscious resides.

Best 2 Ya,
Rick

 

[Allen Brown]

Rick, can you explain to me how you pull a cue through the ball on a shot? I'm lost on this one.